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#1 MaddDog

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 04:14 PM

Did you see the latest?? Those Palestinians just elected HAMAS to their parliament. That nice peace loving group Hamas.... you know, the group that likes blowing up and maiming Jews for fun and has advocated "driving the Jews into the sea" along with the destruction of Israel.

Honestly, how can the Palestinians expect to be taken seriously when they are electing a TERRORIST organization to majority numbers in their government??? That's like the KKK running the government here. As far as I am concerned, I've given up all hope on them and it just proves they do NOT want ANY peace at all with Israel. fvck 'em, let Israel build their barrier-fence and let the Palis kill each other off at this rate.

(And for anyone who's going to get pissed off at what I said and rant at me, save it.. I used to try to see both sides of the issue but I no longer can support the Palestinians at all).
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 06:36 PM

hamas also runs a domestic social program in Palestine, besides its ties to armed struggle.

but seeing as how you never gave a sh!t about Palestinians to begin with, i'm sure your disassociation will deal them serious blow.

btw....im sure a large part of the world similarly questioned the mental aptitude of Americans in 2004.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:23 PM

The people voted for the Hamas that built schools for the children and hospitals for the sick. It's hard to vote against a group that is providing education to your child and saved your mothers life.... no matter the evil they have done.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:36 PM

hamas also runs a domestic social program in Palestine, besides its ties to armed struggle.

but seeing as how you never gave a sh!t about Palestinians to begin with, i'm sure your disassociation will deal them serious blow.

btw....im sure a large part of the world similarly questioned the mental aptitude of Americans in 2004.



First off...

I don't care if they have a social program; I know Hitler did that sort of thing too. They are terrorists and have publicly advocated the destruction of Israel. Then again, I suppose most of the Palestinian parties have hatred of the Jews-annihilation of Israel as their platform. It's hilarious that you promote the 'good' that they do while ignoring they've been responsible for over 60 suicide bombings since the last Intifada in 2000.

"Armed struggle"? Try terrorism. Of course, if you mean struggle to destroy the state of Israel and ensure that Jews are driven into the sea, you are right.


I surely don't give a sh!t about the Palestinians NOW. I used to at one point but I've come to the realization that the vast majority will NEVER want peace with Israel. You do realize they murder their own kind if they believe any Palestinians are considering peace with Israel and are therefore seen as 'traitors' to their cause, (destroy Israel), right? They don't mind murdering each other if they can't get at the Jews. Pathetic.

As for them questioning us, the Middle East has hated us for years since we are 'infidels.' Bush hardly caused the hostage crisis or all the terrorist bombings when Carter, Reagan, and Clinton were in office.



Don,

the problem with the Palestinians is that I have a feeling that many of them see NOTHING wrong with the terrorist element of Hamas. They've been brainwashed since birth to think the Joooos are evil and must be exterminated. Sad. :( Like I said, Hitler promoted some nice social services too, but it doesn't excuse the disgusting genocide he committed.

If they think this will make the Western world want to push for Palestinian statehood, they are mistaken. NOT when they want the state next to them GONE.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:41 PM

The people voted for the Hamas that built schools for the children and hospitals for the sick. It's hard to vote against a group that is providing education to your child and saved your mothers life.... no matter the evil they have done.



and that's the part we don't hear about in America. Granted they're killers too, but the Palestinians don't see things as we do.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:44 PM

and that's the part we don't hear about in America. Granted they're killers too, but the Palestinians don't see things as we do.

Yeah, we see buses as transportation, they see them as targets. :noclue:
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:48 PM

and that's the part we don't hear about in America. Granted they're killers too, but the Palestinians don't see things as we do.


Interesting, you guys are almost appearing to EXCUSE their murderous ways because they do a few 'good things'. Well hell, Bush does some good things too but I sure never hear those of you on this board mention them; you just bitch about his war mongering ways!!!! :lol: Forgive me if I'm a bit dumbfounded over the fact that you guys are giving suicide bombing HAMAS more of a free ride than Bushwhacker!!! How fvcked up is that?!?!?!??!

(Btw, I am aware they do social services for their own people, but it doesn't erase the fact they also are terrorists on par with al Qaeda or worse. They HURT the Palestinian people more then help them as far as I'm concerned by promoting their irrational anti Jewish, anti Western hatred).
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:50 PM

The people voted for the Hamas that built schools for the children and hospitals for the sick. It's hard to vote against a group that is providing education to your child and saved your mothers life.... no matter the evil they have done.

Are those schools and hospitals available to Jews?
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:58 PM

have you heard th expression, one mans terrorist is another freedom fighter. the US soldier is YOUR freedom fighter, to someone else he is a terrorist.

I'd like to know if any other mid east group provides the same social services to the palestinians as hamas. was there a legit peaceful alternative?

Edited by '7', 26 January 2006 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2006 - 09:00 PM

The Palestinians have as much right to the sand as the Jews. However, the fact that Hamas aligns itself with Iran means trouble.

http://english.aljaz...BF1EFA8F402.htm

What a damn shame as it looked like there was at least a little hope for the region.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 09:24 PM

However, the fact that Hamas aligns itself with Iran means trouble.

http://english.aljaz...BF1EFA8F402.htm

Yet the fact that the US aligns itself with Iran doesn't seem to mean trouble with you. Why not?

http://www.njdevs.co...showtopic=23621
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 10:18 PM

Nice spin Rowdy.

Notice how the libs excuse the Jew killers?

No excuses for their own President though.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 10:42 PM

another thing i'd like to add.....palestinians are not idiots. i have a palestinian friend who's a very bright individual.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 11:29 PM

Nice spin Rowdy.

Notice how the libs excuse the Jew killers?

No excuses for their own President though.


not everything is so cut and dry Jimmy, I don't support jew killers, nor do I support unwarranted acts of aggression by Israel.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:04 AM

Here's an article for those of you who support the "freedom fighters". It looks like much of the world is pretty appalled with the Palestinian election results, not just me!!!! :P


Hamas Election Victory Shocks World


Hamas Election Victory Shocks World By RAVI NESSMAN, Associated Press Writer
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RAMALLAH, West Bank - Islamic militant Hamas' landslide victory in Palestinian elections unnerved the world Thursday, darkening prospects for Mideast peace and ending four decades of rule by the corruption-riddled Fatah Party.

The parliamentary victory stunned even Hamas leaders, who mounted a well-organized campaign but have no experience in government (ah, that's great, NO experience!!). They offered to share power with President Mahmoud Abbas, the Fatah chief, who said he may go around the new government to talk peace with Israel (wonder how long it'll take for someone to assassinate him?? :blink:)

Underscoring the tensions between the secular Fatah and fundamentalist Hamas, some 3,000 supporters of the militant group marched through Ramallah and raised their party's green flag over the Palestinian parliament. Fatah supporters tried to lower the banner. The two sides fought for about 30 minutes, throwing stones and breaking windows in the building. (see, already turning on each other!! Civil war in the future?)

Abbas, who was elected last year to a four-year term as president of the Palestinian Authority, has yet to decide how closely to work with a group that built its clout through suicide bombings. But his Fatah Party decided not to join a Hamas government, Fatah legislator Saab Erekat said.

"We will be a loyal opposition and rebuild the party," Erekat said after meeting with Abbas.

Hamas won a clear majority in Wednesday's vote, capturing 76 of the 132 seats in parliament, according to official, near-complete results released Thursday. The results of the popular vote were not announced.

Four independent candidates backed by Hamas also won seats. Fatah, which has dominated Palestinian political life since the 1960s but alienated voters because of rampant corruption, got 43 seats. The remaining went to smaller parties.

Palestinians across the Gaza Strip and West Bank greeted the election results with joy, setting off fireworks and firing rifles in the air.

But leaders across the world demanded that Hamas, which is branded a terror group by the U.S. and European Union, renounce violence and recognize Israel.

"If your platform is the destruction of Israel, it means you're not a partner in peace, and we're interested in peace," President Bush said in Washington.

Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel will not negotiate with a Palestinian government that includes Hamas members, and senior Cabinet officials held an emergency meeting to discuss the repercussions of the vote. Acting Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni asked the EU not to deal with a "terror government."

Hamas leaders immediately took to the international and even Israeli airwaves to send out a moderate message. (how will they justify their belief that Israel should be destroyed and insist they are MODERATE?)

"Don't be afraid," Ismail Haniyeh, a Hamas leader, told the BBC.

Mahmoud Zahar, another Hamas leader, said the group would extend its year-old truce if Israel reciprocates. "If not, then I think we will have no option but to protect our people and our land," he said. (I wonder what this means???? Gee, I can't imagine).

At a victory news conference late Thursday, however, Haniyeh said Hamas will "complete the liberation of other parts of Palestine." He did not say which territories he was referring to or how he would go about it. (he means Israel ceases to exist! How stupid do they think we are?)

Hamas has largely adhered to the cease-fire declared last February, while a smaller militant group, Islamic Jihad, carried out six suicide bombings against Israelis during that period.

Abbas said he remained committed to peace talks and suggested they be conducted through the Palestine Liberation Organization rather than the Palestinian Authority. That could help him sidestep a Hamas-run government in peace talks.

"I am committed to implementing the program on which you elected me a year ago," he said in a televised speech. "It is a program based on negotiations and peaceful settlement with Israel."

Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia and his Cabinet resigned to make room for a Hamas-led government.

The Islamic group quickly reached out to Abbas to try to work out a partnership, Haniyeh said, adding that he did not expect the Palestinian leader to resign.

Hamas leaders had said before the vote they would be content to be a junior partner in the next government. The group campaigned mainly on cleaning up the Palestinian Authority downplaying the conflict with Israel and Zahar said Thursday that Hamas planned to overhaul the government.

"We are going to change every aspect, as regards the economy, as regards industry, as regards agriculture, as regards social aid, as regards health, administration, education," he said.

Some experts believed the Hamas victory would force it to moderate. Others feared it would embolden the group to remake Palestinian life in keeping with its strict interpretation of Islam. (Taliban time)

"We don't want the Palestinian people and cause to be isolated. We don't want a theocracy," said independent lawmaker Hanan Ashrawi. "Hamas promises reform, sure they will do that, I would like to see reform. But what worries me is things like legislation on education, culture, social welfare, the ramifications for peace in the future."

Hamas' victory was cheered in the Arab world, though many said they feared the group would become even more radical under pressure from its hard-line backers, Syria and Iran. (so they cheer it but are afraid? Wtf??)

The rise of Hamas was certain to be a key issue in Israel's March 28 election.

"Today, Hamastan was formed, a representative of Iran and in the image of the Taliban," said Benjamin Netanyahu, leader of the opposition Likud Party. Labor Party politician Ami Ayalon, a former head of the Shin Bet security service, said Israel might have to change the route of its West Bank security barrier because of the Hamas victory.

Immediately upon taking power, Hamas will be confronted with an avalanche of issues, including what to do about the Palestinian security services, which are comprised of hard-core Fatah members, said Basem Ezbidi, a political science professor at the West Bank's Bir Zeit University. "It's not going to be easy for Hamas to govern these bodies," he said.

Others expected Hamas to fold its own fighters into the security forces.

Hamas' victory virtually ruled out a resumption of stalled peace efforts, and could push Israel to take further unilateral moves to set its permanent borders, following last year's Gaza pullout.

It also could jeopardize hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign donations to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority. (not sure why a terrorist goverment should get OUR aid dollars.. keep it here)

Speaking at a news conference, Bush did not directly answer a question about the fate of U.S. aid to the Palestinians, though he suggested Hamas' victory could have an impact. "I made it very clear that the United States does not support political parties that want to destroy our ally Israel, and that people must renounce that part of their platform," he said.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to meet in London on Monday with U.N., Russian and European leaders as the so-called "Quartet" of would-be international peacemakers evaluates the results and tries to decide how to proceed.

"The Quartet reiterates its view that there is a fundamental contradiction between armed group and militia activities and the building of a democratic state," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. "A two-state solution to the conflict requires all participants in the democratic process to renounce violence and terror, accept Israel's right to exist, and disarm, as outlined in the 'road map.'"

It will be almost impossible for Israel and the Palestinians to sever ties completely. Much of their infrastructure, including water and electricity networks, is intertwined, and the vast majority of Palestinian imports pass through Israeli-controlled borders. Hamas ministers would also need Israeli permission to travel between the West Bank and Gaza.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:24 AM

not everything is so cut and dry Jimmy, I don't support jew killers, nor do I support unwarranted acts of aggression by Israel.

"Unwarranted"?

Defense is not "unwarranted"
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:41 AM

I'd like to know if any other mid east group provides the same social services to the palestinians as hamas. was there a legit peaceful alternative?

The Red Cresent (Arab version of the Red Cross)? The vaunted and mighty U.N.? But then, they'd have to lay down their arms and stop killing.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 01:22 AM

I purposely try to stay out of these threads because it's tough for me to stay neutral considering the history. Sadly, it dates back a long time and will continue to be a dilemma for many more centuries. The Palestinians will do anything to get that holy land. It will never be a comfortable situation for Israel.

I am not going to say who's right here. I wish there was a way for them to coexist. But that will never be because of the Palestinians insane hatred for Israel. It is what it is. It will be going way after we're all upstairs.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:05 AM

everything is broken
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Hahahaha...long overdue. Now they need to get rid of Jacobs.


The problem is, NJ only plays them 4 times a year. We were only able to get them to trade JT and fire the idiot GM. If we played them 8 times a year, maybe Jacobs might have an epiphany and sell the team.


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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:55 AM

Apart from the whole situation being hopeless, I have found that the view of the situation REALLY differs between countries, continents et.al. Some see the palestines as victims supressed by Israel, others see Israel as the victim of "jew killers" and the only reason for the war is that palestines want to kill all jews and the israelis are trying to protect themselves.

When a war is as long as this one has been and children are raised to hate the other side there is little hope of a fast solution.

oh, and derek:

"I am not going to say who's right here. I wish there was a way for them to coexist. But that will never be because of the Palestinians insane hatred for Israel. It is what it is. It will be going way after we're all upstairs."

aren't you really implying who is right anyway :P
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