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#21 El Diablo

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:08 AM

So were validating Hamas in this thread ... is that right ?
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 09:19 AM

Apart from the whole situation being hopeless, I have found that the view of the situation REALLY differs between countries, continents et.al. Some see the palestines as victims supressed by Israel, others see Israel as the victim of "jew killers" and the only reason for the war is that palestines want to kill all jews and the israelis are trying to protect themselves.

When a war is as long as this one has been and children are raised to hate the other side there is little hope of a fast solution.

oh, and derek:

"I am not going to say who's right here. I wish there was a way for them to coexist. But that will never be because of the Palestinians insane hatred for Israel. It is what it is. It will be going way after we're all upstairs."

aren't you really implying who is right anyway :P



Depends how you view it Swede.


So were validating Hamas in this thread ... is that right ?



Sadly, that seems to be the case.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:02 AM

Depends how you view it Swede.
Sadly, that seems to be the case.


There is far to omuch hatred on both sides, and there are certain party's on both sides that want peace. but the longer it takes to reach a peace agreement the more unlikely it becomes, becuasse as someone said many of the children are being raised to hate the other, and the more common that becomes the farther away we get from peace...
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 10:13 AM

The people voted for the Hamas that built schools for the children and hospitals for the sick. It's hard to vote against a group that is providing education to your child and saved your mothers life.... no matter the evil they have done.


i feel this is a really good point, because the hamas(as terrorist aimed as they are in general) made sure people voted no matter which side they voted for. that led to a 70 plus percent voting rate as compared to the U.S. getting lucky to get 30.

i don't think either is right, but really can all of you guys say you know all of the exact things the hamas have done or do you just know that they've commited terrorist attacks? i know this sounds like i'm defending the killings they've done, but i really don't want to even remotely justify their killing(or any killing for that matter), but there really is 2 sides to every coin and i think in resolving a conflict if you gain a singular view of something as sensitive as this you will never resolve it. and you gain the "we are the crusaders our belief is soley right" mindset that leads to such conflicts and killing.

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 11:27 AM

Man was Abba Ebban right when he said that the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 12:48 PM

So were validating Hamas in this thread ... is that right ?


No, we're trying to understand why Palestinians would vote for a group we see as nothing but terrorists.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 01:31 PM

No, we're trying to understand why Palestinians would vote for a group we see as nothing but terrorists.

we... as in The US and Israel or is the rest of the world included too?
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:01 PM

Boy did Great Britain screw things up in the Mid-East. Carving up land without regard to tribal, ethnic or religious groups. Then, just to add to the mix, they decided that, after centuries of British anti-semitism, a homeland for the Jews would be a good idea. I guess they thought they could be proud of that, and they could send their Jews to Israel too.

The Palestinian nation really didn't exist before Israel, so one could say that by creating Israel 2 nations were formed.

Now, I didn't hear much from the Palestinian supporters when Ariel Sharon said that he should have killed Yassir Arafat when he had the chance, but the Israel supporters really jump on anyone who thinks that Israel doesn't have the right to exist. (And why isn't England supporting their own creation?)

RE Hamas:

Democracy is sloppy, and those pesky foreigners don't always elect folks who kowtow to the US policy hard line. It happens, in Canada, Bolivia, Venezuela, even France and Germany.

When a guy like Sharon, who allowed thousands of Palestinians in camps in Lebanon to be attacked and massacred by Christian militias is willing to pull troops out of Gaza, maybe Hamas will step up to the plate and do its part for peace. Lets face it, you can't negotiate if you lay all your cards out on the table first, or take your strongest cards off the table.

Wait and see.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 03:08 PM

To clarify a few things...


I don't have sympathy for the Palis when they elect Hamas. Hamas has publicly stated that ISRAEL MUST BE DESTROYED. It appears like the Palestinians are showing the world they do NOT want peace, which is what I suspected might have been the case but was hoping was NOT. Did you guys notice how Palestinian textbooks have PALESTINE and NO ISRAEL printed on them?? :blink: Yeah, no brainwashing at all, eh?!?!??!?!?! I'm not even going to get into the anti Semitic anti Jew hatred spewed in Palestinian classrooms. I just fail to see how the hell you can negotiate with the likes of those who possess an irrational hatred and want you DEAD or GONE. If Hamas gets their sh!t together, renounces violence, AND states Israel has a right to exist, I'll change my mind. Too bad the odds of that happening in my life time are about as likely as pigs flying. Every time they've been offered some sort of state in the past, they balk and bitch. It's because they want Israel to cease to exist!!!!!! So you tell me who's being unreasonable again???

I read that 54% of Palestians in a recent survey claim they want peace... almost half do NOT want it!!!! Tell me again why they should get their own state? And for those who want peace, how do they intend to get it?? By wasting Israel and killing Jews? Negotating in a logical manner and recognizing the state of Israel? There's a lot of ambiguity regarding just WHAT they DO want.

Palestine has never even existed as a country. I don't know my history too well but I thought Palestine was the name for the old home land of the Jews thousands of years ago. Considering Judaism and Christianity have been around much longer than Islam, it seems as though they'd have claim to the land before the Muslims if you are going to argue it from a religious standpoint. The Arabs invaded that region of the Middle East at a later date. Plus many of the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank are the descendants of displaced Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, you get the idea. The Palis are the redheaded stepchild of the Middle East and get greated better by Israelis than by their own Arab 'brothers'. I wonder why the Pals aren't more pissed off at their fellow Muslims instead of despising 5 million Jews. They need to stop scapegoating and take responsibility for their sh!tty plight once and for all.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 03:59 PM

Ther are still for the destruction of Israel.

Guess they want more sand to walk in.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:26 PM

Palestine has never even existed as a country. I don't know my history too well but I thought Palestine was the name for the old home land of the Jews thousands of years ago. Considering Judaism and Christianity have been around much longer than Islam, it seems as though they'd have claim to the land before the Muslims if you are going to argue it from a religious standpoint. The Arabs invaded that region of the Middle East at a later date. Plus many of the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank are the descendants of displaced Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, you get the idea. The Palis are the redheaded stepchild of the Middle East and get greated better by Israelis than by their own Arab 'brothers'. I wonder why the Pals aren't more pissed off at their fellow Muslims instead of despising 5 million Jews. They need to stop scapegoating and take responsibility for their sh!tty plight once and for all.



please, open a history book before make yourself look any dumber. israel didn't exist before 1948. their "war of independance" was a mad dash land grab with boatloads of eastern european jews shipped in to consolidate colonial europe's last curse on the world.

for you to be stating that the palestinians are anti-semites is beyond idiotic. palestinians ARE semites. most israelies are NOT semites. most of them are descendants of eastern europeans. quite frankly, you are the one being anti-semitic. read a book for god's sake.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:28 PM

Palestine has never even existed as a country. I don't know my history too well but I thought Palestine was the name for the old home land of the Jews thousands of years ago. Considering Judaism and Christianity have been around much longer than Islam, it seems as though they'd have claim to the land before the Muslims if you are going to argue it from a religious standpoint.


well, by that reasoning the indians should have back the US... right?

I simply do not get hoqw anyone can see so black/white on the situation. Both sides have behaved, and will continue to behave like "idiots". of course the palestines are going to elect a party that runs on "change and reform" over the one that they have had (that had stolen so much from their people)...


Ther are still for the destruction of Israel.

Guess they want more sand to walk in.



I'm really concerned about that they did not remove that when they decided to enter the election. I just hope that the UN has enough balls to force a change
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:51 PM

please, open a history book before make yourself look any dumber. israel didn't exist before 1948. their "war of independance" was a mad dash land grab with boatloads of eastern european jews shipped in to consolidate colonial europe's last curse on the world.


I don't see why you're getting that upset with him. He is correct that that region was the home to Jewish people before the Muslim population was moved in. He wasn't correct in thinking that it was called Palestine while the Jews were living there. Also, Israel did exist as an entity long before the 1900's, you can find reference to the area as the Land of Israel in the bible. Around 1000 BC the region had a king names Saul who unified the Hebrew tribes and formed the kingdom of Israel. I will choose not to call you names though.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:53 PM

Both sides have behaved, and will continue to behave like "idiots". ...


Yet only one side has decided to strap bombs to themselves and kill innocents at will... :noclue:
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 04:56 PM

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:02 PM

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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:11 PM

please, open a history book before make yourself look any dumber. israel didn't exist before 1948. their "war of independance" was a mad dash land grab with boatloads of eastern european jews shipped in to consolidate colonial europe's last curse on the world.

for you to be stating that the palestinians are anti-semites is beyond idiotic. palestinians ARE semites. most israelies are NOT semites. most of them are descendants of eastern europeans. quite frankly, you are the one being anti-semitic. read a book for god's sake.

First of all, try figuring out someone's background before assuming they're a no-nothing blowhard. I don't know what you do for a living, but last I checked, MaddDog taught at a college in Connecticut (not sure if she's a professor or a TA); in fact, I believe she's a history teacher.

Second, crack open a dictionary. A Semite can be a Jew, and anti-Semitism is definitely hostility and/or discrimination toward Jews.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:28 PM

I don't know what you do for a living, but last I checked, MaddDog taught at a college in Connecticut (not sure if she's a professor or a TA); in fact, I believe she's a history teacher.



Palestine has never even existed as a country. I don't know my history too well but .....blah blah blah


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Posted 27 January 2006 - 05:56 PM

please, open a history book before make yourself look any dumber. israel didn't exist before 1948. their "war of independance" was a mad dash land grab with boatloads of eastern european jews shipped in to consolidate colonial europe's last curse on the world.

for you to be stating that the palestinians are anti-semites is beyond idiotic. palestinians ARE semites. most israelies are NOT semites. most of them are descendants of eastern europeans. quite frankly, you are the one being anti-semitic. read a book for god's sake.



Thanks for telling me I'm dumb. Nice tact. :blahblah:

Israel is a recognized nation and considered a legitimate state by the U.N. I guess you're going to tell me they don't exist now!??! Well, most countries do recognize Israel, but not most Arab nations anyway. Palestine is NOT an actual state.

Are you going to tell me the Jews were NOT there before the Muslims thousands of years ago?? As far as I'm concerned, they have a right to the land too. Thanks for neglecting to mention WHY Israel was created. You know, the lovely genocide where at least SIX MILLION Jews got slaughtered. So, for the Muslims to insist the Jews must be driven into the sea is bullsh!t. Funny how you mention the Jews fleeing there but you don't mention how many of the Palestinians fled there because they were treated like crap in their other Arab nations, or because Egypt/Jordan/etc told the Palestinians to go there so they could have the land after Israel lost the Six-Day War (you know, when the Arab world declared war on Israel first).

Ok, let me rephrase that ... many Palestinians are virulently ANTI JEWISH, how's that?? If they don't want me to perceive them that way, it would help if they put Israel in their school textbooks and didn't write poetry saying they want to be jihadist martyrs blowing up Jews.


Believe it or not, I personally wish that both Israel and a moderate Palestinian state could co-exist but I just don't see it happening.


Tell me how negotiation is possible if this is directly from the Hamas Charter:

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Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors

The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!

[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement (it doesn't sound like peace talks are considered, does it?)

When our enemies usurp some Islamic lands, Jihad becomes a duty binding on all Muslims. In order to face the usurpation of Palestine by the Jews, we have no escape from raising the banner of Jihad (To them Israel IS Palestine)

We cannot fail to remind every Muslim that when the Jews occupied Holy Jerusalem in 1967 and stood at the doorstep of the Blessed Aqsa Mosque, they shouted with joy: “Muhammad is dead, he left daughters behind.” Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. “Let the eyes of the cowards not fall asleep.” (doesn't sound like they want Israel to have ANY claim to Jerusaleum).

Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security. Safety and security can only prevail under the shadow of Islam, and recent and ancient history is the best witness to that effect. The members of other religions must desist from struggling against Islam over sovereignty in this region (Is this implying that Islam should rule above all? Sure sounds like it to me. Tolerance my ass).



World Zionism and Imperialist forces have been attempting, with smart moves and considered planning, to push the Arab countries, one after another, out of the circle of conflict with Zionism, in order, ultimately, to isolate the Palestinian People. Egypt has already been cast out of the conflict, to a very great extent through the treacherous Camp David Accords, and she has been trying to drag other countries into similar agreements in order to push them out of the circle of conflict. Hamas is calling upon the Arab and Islamic peoples to act seriously and tirelessly in order to frustrate that dreadful scheme and to make the masses aware of the danger of coping out of the circle of struggle with Zionism. Today it is Palestine and tomorrow it may be another country or other countries. For Zionist scheming has no end, and after Palestine they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates. Only when they have completed digesting the area on which they will have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion, etc. Their scheme has been laid out in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present [conduct] is the best proof of what is said there. Leaving the circle of conflict with Israel is a major act of treason and it will bring curse on its perpetrators. “Who so on that day turns his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly has incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.” Sura 8 (al-Anfal—Spoils of War), verse 16 We have no escape from pooling together all the forces and energies to face this despicable Nazi-Tatar invasion. Otherwise we shall witness the loss of [our] countries, the uprooting of their inhabitants, the spreading of corruption on earth and the destruction of all religious values. Let everyone realize that he is accountable to Allah. “Whoever does a speck of good will bear [the consequences] and whoever does a speck of evil will see [the consequences].” Within the circle of the conflict with world Zionism, the Hamas regards itself the spearhead and the avant-garde. It joins its efforts to all those who are active on the Palestinian scene, but more steps need to be taken by the Arab and Islamic peoples and Islamic associations throughout the Arab and Islamic world in order to make possible the next round with the Jews, the merchants of war. “We have cast among them enmity and hatred till the day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah extinguishes it. Their effort is for corruption in the land, and Allah loves not corrupters.” Sura V (Al-Ma’idah—the Table spread), verse 64. (No comment)

This charter sounds like something I'd have been reading in 1939 Nazi Germany. :puke:!!!

Perhaps you should read this charter before calling people dumbasses. If Hamas wants my attitude towards them to change, they need to ditch this anti Jewish Nazi-esque propaganda garbage and acknowledge that Israel has a right to exist.


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Posted 27 January 2006 - 08:06 PM

There is far to omuch hatred on both sides, and there are certain party's on both sides that want peace. but the longer it takes to reach a peace agreement the more unlikely it becomes, becuasse as someone said many of the children are being raised to hate the other, and the more common that becomes the farther away we get from peace...



Absolutely 100 percent correct. It's a sad situation.

Palestine has never even existed as a country. I don't know my history too well but I thought Palestine was the name for the old home land of the Jews thousands of years ago. Considering Judaism and Christianity have been around much longer than Islam, it seems as though they'd have claim to the land before the Muslims if you are going to argue it from a religious standpoint. The Arabs invaded that region of the Middle East at a later date. Plus many of the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank are the descendants of displaced Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, you get the idea. The Palis are the redheaded stepchild of the Middle East and get greated better by Israelis than by their own Arab 'brothers'. I wonder why the Pals aren't more pissed off at their fellow Muslims instead of despising 5 million Jews. They need to stop scapegoating and take responsibility for their sh!tty plight once and for all.



That's an accurate description MD.


Take this for what it's worth. From what I heard on NPR, apparantly Hamas took "Israel must be destroyed" statements off their campaign literature before the election. Whether it's an actual softening of their stance or just something to appear moderate to get elected, no one really knows. All I can do is hope for the best.



Propaganda???

I don't see why you're getting that upset with him. He is correct that that region was the home to Jewish people before the Muslim population was moved in. He wasn't correct in thinking that it was called Palestine while the Jews were living there. Also, Israel did exist as an entity long before the 1900's, you can find reference to the area as the Land of Israel in the bible. Around 1000 BC the region had a king names Saul who unified the Hebrew tribes and formed the kingdom of Israel. I will choose not to call you names though.



First off, it's her. From what I remember, your post looks okay. bry is right that it didn't officially exist until 1948.
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