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#21 HelenaHandbasket

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:13 AM

BTW it is lame to complain about the cartoon, wasn't the cartoon of ONE person? How does that paint the whole religion with a brush?

It was the Prophet Mohammed, which is a little bigger than some random dude.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:43 AM

hmm, a couple of years ago an artist in sweden had her paintings out on display. She called them ecce ++++ and portraied jesus as a homosexual... there was a LOT of complaints on that one an people are still talking about it
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 09:53 AM

It's okay to say Ecce ++++ Swede, that was the title of a Nietschze work. Oops, it edits that out. Ha ha.

As for the Prophet Mohammed, you're not even allowed to see him. All iconography is wrong to the Muslim faith. Now if the Muslim world is going to enter into the modern economy and the tradition of liberal democracy, this sort of rigor in religion will have to fall away - but it hasn't yet. Christianity has melted away and allowed itself to be compatible with democratic ideals.

The Muslim faith has many ties to the Jewish faith - you will not see mockery of the Jewish faith or major characters in the Jewish faith like Abraham, since he is just as important to the Muslims. The example set forth in this thread is therefore a false analogue.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:11 AM

Perhaps if "the Muslim world" was a little more vocal in denouncing terrorists who supposedly act in the name of Islam, the rest of the world wouldn't be so quick to assume that Muslims as a whole condone such behavior.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:27 AM

Perhaps if "the Muslim world" was a little more vocal in denouncing terrorists who supposedly act in the name of Islam, the rest of the world wouldn't be so quick to assume that Muslims as a whole condone such behavior.


The Muslims aren't on display - they're people. By saying such a thing, you've already assumed a great deal - 1. that Muslims in general care what you think about them (they shouldn't) and 2. that Muslims should care so much about the perception of them that major leaders should come out and denounce terrorism every time.

If they denounce terrorism, they'd be called liars - if they don't, they're complicit. Well, as long as they're guilty either way.

I think brylin18 put it very well in this thread. By and large, the majority of people want the same things.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 12:26 PM

It's okay to say Ecce ++++ Swede, that was the title of a Nietschze work. Oops, it edits that out. Ha ha.



but it was based on her artwork on the theme, with classical religous works remade.
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 01:54 PM

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Perhaps if "the Muslim world" was a little more vocal in denouncing terrorists who supposedly act in the name of Islam, the rest of the world wouldn't be so quick to assume that Muslims as a whole condone such behavior.


Rowdy, that's what I've been saying all along. There's a deafening silence from much of the Muslim world when innocent civilians get beheaded or murdered, yet a cartoon evokes this sort of outrage??


I did not say that I personally approved of the Muhammad cartoons. However, they were published in NON-MUSLIM countries and the laws permit it. Europe is comprised of Western DEMOCRACIES and they are NOT Islamic theocracies. So, I fail to see why they should adhere to Sharia law or the rules and social norms of Arab nations. No one is coercing the Muslims or Muslim immigrants to stay there if they don't like it; they are free to emigrate back to their native home lands or relocate to another country if they choose.

As for Muhammad depictions being a violation of Islam, I found this web site that claims Muhmmad HAS been depicted in Islamic artwork countless times. If this is the case, why are they so offended? Is it because "infidels" drew him?? :blink: Site is below:

Muhammad in art


I don't understand why some of you are so upset over this yet do NOT really address my point that anti-Jewish and anti-Western cartoons are a REGULAR occurrence in the Middle East and North Africa. Where on earth is the moral outrage from those Muslim countries when it comes to Jews being depicted as rats and bloodthirsty murderers?? :noclue:

Check these cartoons out in the link below and tell me they are NOT extremely anti-Semitic and anti-American:

Arab Cartoons

They were published in Palestinian papers along with newspapers in Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt. Yeah, those are cartoons depicting bunnies hopping over rainbows, huh?? :lol: If Muslim citizens were truly against these cartoons, I'd imagine they'd bombard the papers with complaints and the cartoons would not be so abundant. The fact that they recurrently get published makes me wonder if many Muslims condone the content.

Frankly, I don't care if they want to boycott Danish goods. I do think it's getting out of control when countries CLOSE their friggin embassies over this, or when gunmen in Gaza burst into the EU office and threaten people's lives.. or tell all Danes and Swedes-Norwegians to leave Gaza or they will be KILLED. Such tolerance and what a completely irrational response that is out of proportion to the situation! :blink:

Someone should remind them that these European nations are NOT Muslim and therefore are NOT required to abide by Islamic laws. I recall reading how Muslims want the Danish government to bring criminal charges against this independently owned newspaper for the Muhammad cartoons. WHY should they?? It's not a criminal offense in DENMARK!! I don't see Muslim nations completely changing their laws to permit all the freedoms of Western culture in order to make Europeans and Americans happy, do you? I was under the impression that you can't even display a cross in Saudi Arabia and it is prohibited by law to bring a BIBLE (!!) into the country.

I never even felt that Muslims shouldn't be offended or upset by these cartoons. I just wonder where this outrage and anger is when it comes to slandering or slaughtering the "infidels" and 'Zionists". When the shoe is on the other foot, they don't like it so much. I also don't appreciate the Muslims that are attempting to IMPOSE their Islamic laws onto NON-Muslim countries. If that makes me "racist", Don, then so be it. Using that definition, Muslim nations seem more racist than Western cultures since they often force others to totally conform to Islamic law.



The Muslims aren't on display - they're people. By saying such a thing, you've already assumed a great deal - 1. that Muslims in general care what you think about them (they shouldn't) and 2. that Muslims should care so much about the perception of them that major leaders should come out and denounce terrorism every time.

If they denounce terrorism, they'd be called liars - if they don't, they're complicit. Well, as long as they're guilty either way.

I think brylin18 put it very well in this thread. By and large, the majority of people want the same things.



The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims around the world don't seem to say anything against terrorism, even if they privately disagree with it. Their silence is deafening. So the assumption is that they support terrorist activity, OR they don't and are afraid to say anything for fear of their head being chopped off. If they continue to remain silent, the rest of the (non-Muslim) world will get the impression that Muslims don't see anything wrong with terrorist scum. Look at how many people in the U.S. and other Western countries are bitching about Bush, Iraq war, Guatanamo, etc. and compare that to the number of Muslims protesting decapitations and homicide bombings.

Btw, Muslims SHOULD care about how other people perceive them. Islam is NOT perceived in a positive light in much of the world, and it's because sociopathic extremist murderers have hijacked their religion.

Edited by MaddDog, 02 February 2006 - 02:01 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 02:56 PM

the latest news... gunmen threatening to kidnap Westerners over friggin CARTOONS or Muslims chanting "DEATH TO (Western country)" or sending death threats? Nawwwww, no irrational hatred here. Where are the protests in those countries when the kidnapped foreigners get excecuted?


Rage at Drawings Spreads in Muslim World

Rage at Drawings Spreads in Muslim World By IBRAHIM BARZAK, Associated Press Writer

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Armed militants angered by a cartoon drawing of the Prophet Muhammad published in European newspapers surrounded EU offices in Gaza on Thursday and threatened to kidnap foreigners as outrage over the caricatures spread across the Islamic world.

More than 300 students demonstrated in Pakistan, chanting "Death to France!" and "Death to Denmark!"
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Posted 02 February 2006 - 10:44 PM

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The problem is that the vast majority of Muslims around the world don't seem to say anything against terrorism, even if they privately disagree with it. Their silence is deafening. So the assumption is that they support terrorist activity, OR they don't and are afraid to say anything for fear of their head being chopped off. If they continue to remain silent, the rest of the (non-Muslim) world will get the impression that Muslims don't see anything wrong with terrorist scum. Look at how many people in the U.S. and other Western countries are bitching about Bush, Iraq war, Guatanamo, etc. and compare that to the number of Muslims protesting decapitations and homicide bombings.

Btw, Muslims SHOULD care about how other people perceive them. Islam is NOT perceived in a positive light in much of the world, and it's because sociopathic extremist murderers have hijacked their religion.


Gee, I wonder why they don't speak out against terrorism. Maybe they don't want to be beheaded too. You do know that the concept of free speech is a foreign one amongst these nations, correct?

I don't know why it is incumbent upon them to speak out against terrorism. We can see the same thing on the board - every time Leeds finds some crazy left-wing loon, he posts it on here and tells the liberals 'why don't you condemn this?' And when a person is between agreeing with the infidels who bomb his countrymen and the Muslims who bomb his countrymen, it's a difficult choice. We see the same thing when Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson begin speaking about some perceived racism - 'why don't you speak out about black on black crime or serious racial issues?'

Terrorism is not justified. Barbarism is not justified. They are, however, understandable. You cannot compare our society to theirs - you cannot say how many people protest torture and freedom here and how few Muslims protest terrorism there. Americans are used to thinking for themselves and not fearing for their lives - uneducated people are used to listening to orders and living in fear. Educated Muslims know what the right course is - unfortunately there are far too few of them.

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Posted 02 February 2006 - 11:03 PM

I'm torn on this, one one hand the paper should've been more sensitive...but come on already, to respond with bomb threats, kidnap threats, the whole shebang over some cartoons? Just shut up and deal with it. They can't though.

I sense that this might be the first step in a possible movement, of Europe trying to fight back against Eurabia.

They're just not being integrated into the population, say what you will about weak Europe, but they will not stand for sabre rattling by these Muslim groups

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:16 AM

http://www.tomgrossm...rabCartoons.htm

Just a sampling of some of the lovely cartoons to come out of the Middle East.
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 06:18 PM

although i don't condone those cartoons, none of them involve religious figures. they are all purely political.
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 09:40 PM

I think it's great, as Europe will finally realize what sick bastards they're up against! We're talking about some cartoons here people... F'in South Park! Yes, I do understand the fact that the Muslim world has been void of any news or entertainment for close to 100 years (the Ottomans had a blast) but that is no excuse!

Cartoons people! Cartoons!
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:13 PM

Exactly LouLam. I can't understand why every one of these threads always turns into the same pissing match.
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:39 PM

Exactly LouLam. I can't understand why every one of these threads always turns into the same pissing match.


Because the second you bring some reality into the situation:

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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:43 PM

Didja think, LL, that maybe CNN doesn't feel like making itself a target for terrorist bombings?
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 10:48 PM

Didja think, LL, that maybe CNN doesn't feel like making itself a target for terrorist bombings?


Rowdy, I'm on a diet right now and those eggs look so damn good! Don't post! :D

Seriously, then CNN should not be in the business!
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Posted 03 February 2006 - 11:35 PM

Christianity has melted away and allowed itself to be compatible with democratic ideals.


What? News to me.....







This turned into a disgusting thread.
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Posted 04 February 2006 - 01:57 AM

What? News to me.....
This turned into a disgusting thread.


I think he means Christianity has allowed itself to be manipulated at the whim of political parties. Conformed to fit our capitalistic lifestyles? :noclue:
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Posted 04 February 2006 - 04:24 PM

I think he means Christianity has allowed itself to be manipulated at the whim of political parties. Conformed to fit our capitalistic lifestyles? :noclue:

How so?
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