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#61 sammyk

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 09:42 PM

I like the exlaimation mark better :evil:


What?


Oh you mean the post icon? Should be a devils logo! :P


EDIT: Unbelievable! :doh1: :rant:

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 09:44 PM

Here's Scott Burnside, an actual human with a face's analysis of the trade, which pretty much sums up my feelings of it:

Hours after acquiring a soon-to-be 37-year-old defenseman with great character but limited mobility in Luke Richardson, the Leafs give up a solid if unspectacular defenseman in exchange for a prospect with a moderate upside (Suglobov was the leading scorer for the AHL's River Rats when called up by the Devils in mid-January, but did not dress for the last six Devils' games). Both Richardson and Klee are set to become unrestricted free agents at the end of the season. Short-term, the Leafs take a small step back, while long-term they take a small step forward. That pretty much sums up the team's place in the hockey universe. In Klee, the Devils get a solid veteran who should have little problem fitting in to Lou Lamoriello's system.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:10 PM

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:13 PM

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Might have to mix that up a bit, we're not sure what's up with Chuk right now.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:16 PM

This is why Lou got him: Klee was born April 24, 1971 in Indianapolis, IN.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:17 PM

Why not try David up with Raffy? Put Martin with Klee and leave Whitey with Alby so he cant play the power play and keep his damage to a minimum.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:24 PM

Let's see what happens next. Maybe Klee will be a solid addition.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:26 PM

Let's see what happens next. Maybe Klee will be a solid addition.

Lets hope he regains his old form in our defensive minded system. Maybe a change of scenery is good for him. Sorry to see Suglobov go but I doubt he had a future here. Anyway wasn't Suglobov a free agent anyway at the end of this year? So he could have/probably would have walked in free agency anyway.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 10:37 PM

Here. Here. I can't remember when I've been more disappointed in a move..... I usually held out hope that each trade would help us, but I think this was just pissing away a chip and filling cap space. This has really destroyed the buzz I had from the baseball game.




Right. On a team that can't score, the guy was still in Albany at the age of 24. Does that tell you anything? He had no future here. Hardly much of a chip if you ask me. It's not a move that has me beside myself with joy, but it wasn't a bad move.

This is why Lou got him: Klee was born April 24, 1971 in Indianapolis, IN.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:02 PM

Look. If you had asked me yesterday if I would have taken Ken Klee off the Leafs hand in exchange for a PAPER CLIP I would have turned it down. He is not worth the salary he is making and that $2M could have been used for MUCH, MUCH better things.

Klee is an UFA at the end of the year. Does Lou think that this means we are going to win the Stanley Cup? What do we really GAIN here?

Suglobov for a draft pick.
Suglobov for another prospect.
Suglobov for donut.
I don't care.... but not Suglobov *FOR KEN KLEE*

I don't understand it. I don't know what the heck Lou was thinking. I've still got steam coming out of my ears so I'm going to bed before I have a coronary.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:04 PM

Look. If you had asked me yesterday if I would have taken Ken Klee off the Leafs hand in exchange for a PAPER CLIP I would have turned it down. He is not worth the salary he is making and that $2M could have been used for MUCH, MUCH better things.

Klee is an UFA at the end of the year. Does Lou think that this means we are going to win the Stanley Cup? What do we really GAIN here?

Suglobov for a draft pick.
Suglobov for another prospect.
Suglobov for donut.
I don't care.... but not Suglobov *FOR KEN KLEE*

I don't understand it. I don't know what the heck Lou was thinking. I've still got steam coming out of my ears so I'm going to bed before I have a coronary.


From the scouting report, Suglobov is great offensively but not so good defensively. that could be one major factor as our system doesn't allow a player who doesn't take care of his own end first. Secondly, Suglobov has good speed but an average passer (that means he could be a selfish player).
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:04 PM

Look. If you had asked me yesterday if I would have taken Ken Klee off the Leafs hand in exchange for a PAPER CLIP I would have turned it down. He is not worth the salary he is making and that $2M could have been used for MUCH, MUCH better things.


This is not a $2 million investment, the Leafs have already paid 3/4 of his salary and cap costs are accrued per day not based on total value of the contract. It's about a $500,000 investment for the Devils, or $50,000 more than Darren Langdon will make for sitting on his toosh since December.

Edited by Hasan4978, 08 March 2006 - 11:05 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:13 PM

This is not a $2 million investment, the Leafs have already paid 3/4 of his salary and cap costs are accrued per day not based on total value of the contract. It's about a $500,000 investment for the Devils, or $50,000 more than Darren Langdon will make for sitting on his toosh since December.


Nonononononononono....... I really don't give a sh!t what Venderbeek has to pay out here. I really don't care if the Devils make a profit or a loss. What I care about is putting the maximum amount of talent on the ice possible. If we could afford to add a $2M player given our cap consideration, we should have been looking for better ways of using that $2M space. I realize it is not truely $2M - but we had enough space for a player making $2M this year and we chose one that is useless in the long run.

It is very unlikely with only one offensive line that we will win the Stanley Cup.
Ken Klee will disappear after this season.
We will have given up Suglobov for *nothing*. Zero. Nadda.

If anything at all, we could have left Suglobov down with the Rats and help them score some goals.... I'm sure they are incredibly pleased that we pissed away their highest scorer for someone that won't help this team one iota.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:14 PM

Look. If you had asked me yesterday if I would have taken Ken Klee off the Leafs hand in exchange for a PAPER CLIP I would have turned it down. He is not worth the salary he is making and that $2M could have been used for MUCH, MUCH better things.

Klee is an UFA at the end of the year. Does Lou think that this means we are going to win the Stanley Cup? What do we really GAIN here?

Suglobov for a draft pick.
Suglobov for another prospect.
Suglobov for donut.
I don't care.... but not Suglobov *FOR KEN KLEE*

I don't understand it. I don't know what the heck Lou was thinking. I've still got steam coming out of my ears so I'm going to bed before I have a coronary.


Of course he isn't worth $2M - did we trade for him at the beginning of the season? No. Ironically in a salary cap system a player is worth more at the deadline than he is at the beginning of the season, because the Devils are not on the hook for his salary for the whole season. The same thing is true of UFAs - they are worth *more* than players on long deals because the Devils know he walks at the end of the year.

I don't think you understand the thinking of NHL GMs - in fact since you're a constant proponent of total rebuilding, I'm pretty sure you don't. Ken Klee gives them a better shot to win another playoff round - a playoff round is worth a lot of money for the franchise this year, and Klee is only going to cost the team something around $500,000. Alex Suglobov for a draft pick or another prospect is a total lateral move, he' was drafted in 2000 and brought through the system, why do all that and then trade him for a draft pick? - this move improves the team.

NHL GMs don't think "Either I win the Stanley Cup, or I'm going to throw away the season to give me a better shot." Suglobov's value isn't going up - this time next year he will be 25 and waiver eligible. AFAIK, waivers begins to apply after 3 professional seasons with players older than 24. This guy really is not a big asset - the Devils would've probably lost him for nothing next season. The Devils are better for having dealt Alex Suglobov, even though Ken Klee is unimpressive.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:22 PM

The Devils would have been better for calling Suglobov up and actually playing him! He mastered the AHL. He kicks its ass on a regular basis. I could see trading him for a Dman if that was our problem but we are rolling along just fine with what we have back there. Where we need help is up front scoring goals and that is what he can do. We have asked young players to make big offensive contributions before (see Gomez, Scott and Sykora, Petr). so it is not like this would be something new.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:22 PM

I was willing to give Suglobov up, but I was hoping for something more than Klee. Like everyone else before me said, it seems like major overpayment, but I think Klee could be good playing with Hale on the 3rd pairing.

I don't think it was his lack of defense that made him not stick with the team, I would think it was his lack of defensive effort. Gomez isn't great defensively, as stated many times over.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:30 PM

The Devils would have been better for calling Suglobov up and actually playing him! He mastered the AHL. He kicks its ass on a regular basis. I could see trading him for a Dman if that was our problem but we are rolling along just fine with what we have back there. Where we need help is up front scoring goals and that is what he can do. We have asked young players to make big offensive contributions before (see Gomez, Scott and Sykora, Petr). so it is not like this would be something new.


We've never asked a rookie to contribute. We never will unless we get a superstar-type player. Also, comparing Gomez and Sykora to Suglobov is a joke - do you understand that both of those players had several hundred NHL games when they were Suglobov's age?

Don't you think there's a reason why Suglobov got passed over? Why he got sent to the AHL before many of the Devils prospects during training camp? He was about to be lost on waivers next season - he got passed over. You can just see Suglobov pleading:

<Alex> I'm SMAHT, LOU! I CAN DO THINGS.

I'm not concerned about losing Suglobov. I wouldn't be surprised if he scores 25 goals for the Leafs next year - I'm still not concerned.
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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:42 PM

Another stellar move by Lou this season. :puke:

Instead of getting us some offense he gave up offensive prospect.
Hey Lou ... who is going to score on a PP ?
Your defensive specialists can't score on a 5 on 3 even if these 3 are Ice Statues. But they can play D and drink cool aid.

And with getting Klee's 2 mill, we ate up the cap space we had to get some help up front... Maybe we have 1 to 1.5 mill left.

Form defensive side (that is the only side we have) good thing is that he is only -1 in 56 games, so he is not next Malakhov. Also looking at Leafs roster he was probably at least thier 3rd D and it can be easily our 4th or minimum 5th... I'm not saying this about future, but about this playoff season.. Having his experiance he has to be better then Hale...

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Posted 08 March 2006 - 11:50 PM

good deal. no more albelin (i like the guy but klee is a good D-man)
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Posted 09 March 2006 - 12:08 AM

Yeah, Klee really fills our needs. Tomorrow Lou will be trying to fill our hole at pitcher.


We needed Klee like a fish needs a bicycle. :argh:
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