134 replies to this topic

[Pepperkorn]

Sheesh as for outrage about what's gone down - I think I heard a lot of the same Don did. I think I didn't hear both sides -- I think I didn't read all the biotching PMs sent by posters - I think I know DM has a pretty HUGE tolerance... and I think the very nature of the debate says as much.

Certainly there is a twist of irony -- the whole situation is dripping with irony the admins ousted MUST AGREE with DM's course of action... how is his choice any different than locking a thread? From what I gather every chance was given to come to some resolution and none was reached -- so he took action and no one was "right" and no one "won"

I agree with Liz - it seems Don you have an opinion about who was "right" I've been quiet about this because I tend to not speak unless I have a solution to offer up... I think DM did all that he could. I can't think of a resolution that all would have been happy with and that would have thus stuck as they say. I think the admins provided invaluable service and DM will be hard pressed to keep the site running - I can't imagine him making this choice unless all other avenues were exhausted -- so I'm going to rag on him and create the havoc dismissed admins despised? Niiiice....

BUT I may have the completely wrong end of the stick.. i mean I didnt' know who Lucifer's dog was after all

[Jimmy Leeds]

Don,....stop acting like............well......,Don.

I can read fine, and I read you calling people "Ass-lickers" because they aren't bashing Brad like you are. Apparently you are hearing one side of the story and are going to sink or swim with it.

Edited by Jimmy Leeds, 12 March 2006 - 12:26 AM.

[StarDew]

#8 and have no idea what is going on...as for new direction...IRC coming back??? j/k

Cannot believe it has been 4 years here...including previous versions

[swampdevil]

.....Cue the soap opera music for this thread.

Bigger message boards than this one have been brought down by less.Sounds like comments made in the naughty devs thread have not been met with open arms?You would think there are enough places to go on the net to talk about boobs.

Tho i mainly visit for the game day thread and article reprints,it seems like yall have a good thing going here.Sure be a shame to screw it up...........

[Nature's Minister]

wow that sucks

[Tretyak 20]

Still totally confused on this one...

I will say though that I hope we don't lose more good posters. RD leaving sucks enough. I hope everything can be resolved somehow.

[annabelle]

All of this is crazy, There are three sides to every story and the only ones who will ever know what has went on are those directly involved. I don't think people like Don should be picked on for having their opinions. It is his opinion..end of story. Now i know i sound stupid doing this post as i have no idea what has went on. But this is a message board and people will have their opinions. All the former admins that have posted in here..good on you, and you guys are class act all the way.

[Pepperkorn]

Naughty Little Devils thread had nothing to do with it... PMs sent about the thread did. I dont know who's how or why... but PMs flew and opened up the what is an admins job issue is what I'm gathering... Boobs weren't the problem... a couple posting in there felt there were some injustices (selfrighteousness??? how fekin' RARE) the ensuing bitchfest I think was just the last straw... I have NO IDEA if I'm correct but that's what i gather...


I'm sorry for airing stuff if I'm not supposed to but I HATE closed doors half stories and general all around mysteries -- hence why I never PM admins AND I dont like feeling like I'm in the middle of something I'm not though my constant desire for openness and clarity helped stoke the fire i guess

and Don can take a little shyt if he can dish it out readily -its' not like he was attacked for merely sharing his opinion - other than that I'm with annabelle

OK -- I'm done... good night guys. See you Monday

Edited by Pepperkorn, 11 March 2006 - 11:48 PM.

[sykkie15]

After speaking with DM more tonight, I am even more shocked and confused about my dismissal. I do not agree with it at all, in fact, it actually upsets me tremendously.

Yes, this is a message board. We all have real lives, we all have other obligations and we all have other pasttimes. NJDevs was never the main priority in my life, but it was very important to me.

As many of you know, I have battled many health problems over the past few years. NJDevs became very important to me, it was essentially all I had for a while, I couldn't do anything else and this place was a great way to take my mind off of things while still expressing my passion for the team and game I love dearly.

However, once I started feeling well again, I was able to return to college, I was able to have a social life again, and I was able to basically live a somewhat normal life with a few limitations. Some of you also noticed that my posting had decreased lately -- I've been very busy with a heavy load of classes and continuing to rehab, among other things. I also was growing increasingly unhappy with the direction of the board. There were posters who continually gave the admins trouble, and it started to get to me. It was starting to become no longer fun posting here.

I loved this board a lot, and I put a lot of energy into it. I used this board as an outlet for my dedication to the team and the game of hockey, and I also created a lot of bonds -- some people I'll even remain friends with for a very long time; I'm grateful for that.

I'm very hurt after what I was told tonight. I can't be part of of this board anymore after this, because I feel like I've been unfairly judged and disrespected. I hope the other admins continue posting, as their situations are different than mine, but I understand if they choose to leave also.

I was going to try to take some time off and think things over, maybe make a return under a different name, but I just can't do it. I've been approached by many with the thoughts of creating a new board, but I don't think I'll do that either. I wouldn't want to take away from this place, and I wouldn't ever betray DM like that.

I'm sorry things turned out this way. It didn't have to be this way, but what can you do? What's done is done. I'm not mad at DM, again, but after tonight I feel very hurt, confused, and disrespected. I think in the end of all of this, no one really understood me as a poster. Yes, I am a real person. Yes, I am an emotional person. Many of you don't know me outside of the board. You don't know my personality, my circle of friends, my other passions. This board may have defined "RD," but it did not define Patricia. You just see a screenname and what I've posted here. Make your judgements, but remember that I wasn't just a figurehead here, I am a person too. I have flaws, just as every one of you do too. I think those of you who have met me understand what I mean.

I ask that the posters here PLEASE lighten up on the remaining admins. Some of you gave us a really hard time, and I don't think that was fair. All we were trying to do was make this board the best it could possibly be. The complaining, the namecalling, the bickering...even the rulebreaking -- it just wasn't necessary. Even now, I don't understand why I have to see a signature that says "Boycott Trivia." It could have been so easy for everyone to get along, and it could have easily been different here. Maybe in this new era, this new direction the board is going, things can be better. I hope so, at least, for the sake of DM and msweet, because the way some of you treated some of the admins was really a bit much.

I've said my peace. I'm done here. Feel free to message me if you have anything you'd like to say. Otherwise, I hope the Devils finish the season strong...and this board too.

-Patricia

[Jimmy Leeds]

Bye

[Derek21]

Man, this just isn't right. You said a lot of really nice things in there. Basically poured your HEART out. I knew that from earlier today. I just wish it could be different.

I think I understand exactly what you meant too about how people can misinterpret things and judge individuals without really knowing them.


We all have emotions. We all MATTER. I don't know what went on. But I have a little better idea.


The bottom line is this is the internet. There are often misunderstandings. Maybe if we knew each other in person, it would be different. You'd get to know where everyone is coming from. That sort of thing can be good.

I can't take sides here. I can only respect my peers and wonder why this happened. There's always a reason.

I come here to post and debate topics. This is a place to vent and have fun. I still feel that's possible.


I would also like to say that when I first joined the old njdevs site, I was given a hard time because of who my allegiance was to. Some didn't understand why I was there. Maybe some still wonder why and think, 'What the heck is a Ranger fan doing here with as many posts as he has?'

And I always come back to the same answer. I was introduced to this place by a good fan and friend MaddDog. And I liked it. I didn't mind taking the flak with it. It's expected. I always enjoyed debating hockey topics here. If it wasn't fun, I'd have left a long time ago.

But I believe this place is like a community. An online family. I have gotten to know some great people here. I'm thankful for that. I'd love to meet a bunch of you at a game and bust each other's chops about our teams' plights. I love talking hockey. I love talking other topics as well. Whatever floats your boat.


This place is SPECIAL. I think that needs to be remembered.

Edited by Derek21, 12 March 2006 - 02:16 AM.

[westcoastdevfan]

I am confused....This place seems to have changed a bit. I hope you all continue to post. Kinda of shocking really.

[LucifersDog]

It's time to move on.

[sundstrom]

I'd like to implore the ousted admins to continue posting on the board - they make it interesting, and a great place to talk hockey. That's all it is, really - I think some view it as more than that, and it can be that too, I suppose - still, we all love the Devils and that's what brought us here in the first place. I'd hope we could see past whatever differences there are to keep that in mind.

wow that sucks

I will say though that I hope we don't lose more good posters. RD leaving sucks enough. I hope everything can be resolved somehow.

But this is a message board and people will have their opinions. All the former admins that have posted in here..good on you, and you guys are class act all the way.

I loved this board a lot, and I put a lot of energy into it. I used this board as an outlet for my dedication to the team and the game of hockey, and I also created a lot of bonds -- some people I'll even remain friends with for a very long time; I'm grateful for that.

Otherwise, I hope the Devils finish the season strong...and this board too.

-Patricia

Man, this just isn't right. You said a lot of really nice things in there. Basically poured your HEART out. I knew that from earlier today. I just wish it could be different.

I think I understand exactly what you meant too about how people can misinterpret things and judge individuals without really knowing them.
We all have emotions. We all MATTER.
The bottom line is this is the internet. There are often misunderstandings.

I come here to post and debate topics. This is a place to vent and have fun. I still feel that's possible.
I didn't mind taking the flak with it. It's expected. I always enjoyed debating hockey topics here. If it wasn't fun, I'd have left a long time ago.

But I believe this place is like a community. An online family. I have gotten to know some great people here. I'm thankful for that. I'd love to meet a bunch of you at a game and bust each other's chops about our teams' plights. I love talking hockey. I love talking other topics as well. Whatever floats your boat.
This place is SPECIAL. I think that needs to be remembered.

took some stuff from throughout the thread. it's just a shame and I hope we can put the genie back in the bottle.

[NJD Jester]

First, I'm not going to discuss what happened because, to be frank, I don't think it's anyone's business.

I just wasted about 15 minutes going through this thread trying to figure out what happened with this frustrating, strange decision. RD came close to pulling back the curtain, but I'm still in the dark.

Sorry, Rowdy and others, but the above just doesn't fly. The moment this becomes a post (and a sticky, no less) on the board it becomes EVERYBODY'S business. Because we are the board. Without us, NJDevs is another hockey board with one reply on every post. And I don't read those.

I'm stunned that through four pages of posts, no one's been able to present in a public forum the how and why of this decision, which is a signicifant one not only for this board but for the future of this board. When we're talking about "the direction of the board," doesn't that affect those who post here on a daily basis and not just the chosen few, the chosen proud, the chosen admins?

I'm equally stunned that in a decision made partially because of the ever-increasing "cliques" on this board, it appears there are two classes here: those in the know, and those who don't deserve to be in the know -- which, you know, are basically the people how make this site something to visit every day.

Just my two cents...

<JESTER>

[Chimaira_Devil_#9]

kinda have to agree with Jester, why did you put this as a post if you didnt want anyone to really know whats going on,

especailly by leaving it open for commment , you could have anounced it and just locked it.

[sundstrom]

to jester and those that want to know the story:

i heard most of it and it comes down to people's personal feelings. there's other stuff out there, but when you strip it all away, it's a matter of respect on the board between posters. the he said/she said nature of this thing isn't really that important because nobody's absolutely right and absolutely wrong.

jester is absolutely correct that the board is everyone and not just the admins. everybody brings something (even if it's "Lou Sucks and should kill himself" nonsense). but some people took things personally and others attacked people personally instead of just understanding that opinion does not equal fact.

this is a great place for Devils fans and it should be for the hardcore insider just as it is for the 10 year old novice. anyone can agree or disagree with someone else and if you post, you should expect that. but nobody needs to get personal on a hateful level and nobody should take any of this too personally either.

it's an internet family which means that for the most part, we don't REALLY know eachother and we can all come together for fun and information. if you want hurtful and true stuff, stick with your own REAL families

[RowdyFan42]

Sorry, Rowdy and others, but the above just doesn't fly. The moment this becomes a post (and a sticky, no less) on the board it becomes EVERYBODY'S business. Because we are the board. Without us, NJDevs is another hockey board with one reply on every post. And I don't read those.

Fair enough. I said it was no one's business because I'm not the type who feels that everyone's dirty laundry should always be aired in public. In this situation, I don't think that knowing the exact details of who said what to whom and when would be at all productive. The only thing it'll do is give people definitive names of who to blame, and that'll lead to more resentment and back-biting and all the crap that destroys communities. You're welcome to disagree, though.

I can say with complete factualness that the reason the announcement was made is because if it wasn't, eventually someone would've noticed and brought it up, and we'd be having this discussion anyway. I can't say with any real knowledge why it was left open to replies, but if I had to guess, I'd say that if it wasn't, it probably would've spilled over to other topics and caused more damage than necessary.

[gordienumber9]

ya know, RD is one of my best friends in the real world, she's smart careing and intelligent, and a lot of fun. this bored wasn't her whole life, just something she could do tio kill some time. just because someone likes to talk about hockey with people who are just as serious about it as she is doesn't mean this is all she had...i may be new here but i do know the conversations i've had here with those people were the most insightful hockey talks ive ever had...it's a damn shame they're gone.

[Devils731]

I'm equally stunned that in a decision made partially because of the ever-increasing "cliques" on this board, it appears there are two classes here: those in the know, and those who don't deserve to be in the know -- which, you know, are basically the people how make this site something to visit every day.

Just my two cents...

<JESTER>

I kind of agree with Jester. There are obviously some people who know whats going on and another that appeasr to be blamed for this. I only say that because some posts have been very careful to say there is equal blame to go around, others say its the fault of a specific group. Right now that group, whomever that is, is being talked about and they don't get to say a darn thing or present how they feel. For all I know I'm in that group and being told I somehow "won" by having this happen. I dunno, I just think its weird that some people know what is going on and others don't, and while I can see where it would be prudent to leave names out, I think it would have been equally prudent to not even bring up there being blame. That being said I would like to thank all the admins for all the time they spent on the board and say that everytime I've ever dealt with DM or hear about someone dealing with DM he has been very mature and classy so I'm sure he thought this decision through long and hard.