Jump to content

Photo

Home Ice and the Last Line Change


  • Please log in to reply
19 replies to this topic

#1 expect_the_unexpected

expect_the_unexpected

    Albany Devil

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 07:23 PM

I'v watched plenty of hockey over the years (well, I'm only 17) and I've never been able to figure out why the home team gets to change lines last. Playing in your home building doesn't dictate where your bench is to the defensive zone, who has the puck when the lines change, or who gets tired first. Common sense should say that when there's a chance, both teams switches bodies at the same time. So why does the home team get a split second to see who the road team brings out onto the ice?
  • 0

#2 Devils731

Devils731

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,505 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 07:35 PM

Someone has to decide first so home team gets the advantage of getting to decide second.
  • 0
Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

-Terry Goodkind


Sex Panther cologne -- 50 percent of the time, it works every time.

-Anchorman

The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is now.

-Anonymous

Keeper of Section 212-213's wayward step

#3 expect_the_unexpected

expect_the_unexpected

    Albany Devil

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 07:51 PM

Couldn't the road team be really conditioned and wait out the waiting game?
  • 0

#4 CRASHER

CRASHER

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,717 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:14 PM

Couldn't the road team be really conditioned and wait out the waiting game?


if they want to get a delay of game penalty ..... sure :P

the road team isn't doing the home team a favor in doing this.. it's an actual NHL Rule
  • 0
Pay homage to the INCREDIBLE scoring goalie!!!! :-)

I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease


CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:
gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??

2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!

2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)

4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)
TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?

2008 NJDevs Stanley Cup Winner for best overall poster... where's my damn ring?

June 6, 2007... the NHL dies just a little bit.....
.. April 20, 2008...it gets a little better :)

#5 expect_the_unexpected

expect_the_unexpected

    Albany Devil

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:16 PM

if they want to get a delay of game penalty ..... sure :P

the road team isn't doing the home team a favor in doing this.. it's an actual NHL Rule


Oh. :huh:
  • 0

#6 sammyk

sammyk

    Professional Googler

  • Contributor
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 25,597 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:19 PM

Yah only way around it is to quickly change again after the faceoff.
  • 0
This is how big your signature should be. Any larger and you are compensating.

#7 expect_the_unexpected

expect_the_unexpected

    Albany Devil

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 287 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 08:22 PM

The rule still applies to line changes when play isn't stopped?
  • 0

#8 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,148 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 09:03 PM

Last line change really has no impact on who wins or loses a series.
  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image

#9 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,799 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 09:28 PM

Last line change really has no impact on who wins or loses a series.


Yes, continue believing that. It's because of the fans screaming that teams do better at home than they do on the road.

It has an incredible impact on how well players fare. Just go look at Elias, Arnott, and Sykora's 2002 if you need any confirmation of the FACT that having last line change is a big advantage.
  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#10 aylbert

aylbert

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,334 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 09:34 PM

Yes, continue believing that. It's because of the fans screaming that teams do better at home than they do on the road.

It has an incredible impact on how well players fare. Just go look at Elias, Arnott, and Sykora's 2002 if you need any confirmation of the FACT that having last line change is a big advantage.


In football, fan noise is a big factor; so home games matter... I Agree Tri, In the NHL, line changes are CRUCIAL. Sicking Madden on Jagr's line is our top priority. Especially in deep defensive zone facoffs where quick line changes arent possible.

Home ice isnt as much as a factor if your team doesnt line match.
  • 0

image-300x225.jpg
 

| 2012 Season | NJDevs FHL Champion | 2013 Season |
| 2014 Season | 


#11 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,148 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 10:05 PM

Yes, continue believing that. It's because of the fans screaming that teams do better at home than they do on the road.

It has an incredible impact on how well players fare. Just go look at Elias, Arnott, and Sykora's 2002 if you need any confirmation of the FACT that having last line change is a big advantage.


it's because they're AT HOME, they've got the fans support and are in more comfortable surroundings. Last line change is about as important as what energy drink the players have during the game. Devils won the Cup never having home ice in 1995. Flames went to the finals last year, never had home ice. Ducks and Hurricanes never had home ice. Canucks in 94 didn't have home ice. Florida didn't have it when they went to the Finals, Minnesota didn't have it. We didn't have it when we beat the Flyers in 2000.
  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image

#12 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,799 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 10:25 PM

it's because they're AT HOME, they've got the fans support and are in more comfortable surroundings. Last line change is about as important as what energy drink the players have during the game. Devils won the Cup never having home ice in 1995. Flames went to the finals last year, never had home ice. Ducks and Hurricanes never had home ice. Canucks in 94 didn't have home ice. Florida didn't have it when they went to the Finals, Minnesota didn't have it. We didn't have it when we beat the Flyers in 2000.


Fan support and comfortable surroundings contributes, but having the last line change is also enormous - its effect is difficult to measure, but it is there. It means New Jersey gets the favorable matchups in more games than the Rangers, and it means the Rangers will have to make quick line changes if it wants favorable matchups against New Jersey.

Again, go look at SEA's 2002 and tell me that's all fan support. It's opposing lines matching up against New Jersey's top line.

This series will not determine whether or not having the last line change makes a difference. The Rangers could win the first two - who knows. Having that last line change is big though.
  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#13 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,148 posts

Posted 18 April 2006 - 10:34 PM

Fan support and comfortable surroundings contributes, but having the last line change is also enormous - its effect is difficult to measure, but it is there. It means New Jersey gets the favorable matchups in more games than the Rangers, and it means the Rangers will have to make quick line changes if it wants favorable matchups against New Jersey.

Again, go look at SEA's 2002 and tell me that's all fan support. It's opposing lines matching up against New Jersey's top line.

This series will not determine whether or not having the last line change makes a difference. The Rangers could win the first two - who knows. Having that last line change is big though.


There was no SEA in 2002, there was injured Sykora and sick Nieuwendyk from what I remember.

I don't think there is such a huge gap between the players talent to where matching lines will make all that much of a difference. It's who wants it more, and who gets the lucky bounces.
  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image

#14 mddevsfan

mddevsfan

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,807 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 07:24 AM

The rule still applies to line changes when play isn't stopped?

Actually, it ONLY applies to line changes when play is stopped. You can change as much as you want whenever you want during play.
  • 0
"The Devils always find a way to win. That will continue." - Scott Stevens

#15 peteyvegas

peteyvegas

    Assistant Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,541 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 08:08 AM

Yes. The rule gives the home team a match up advantage during a stoppage. There are no rules for changing, once the teams are on the fly.
  • 0

#16 Risky

Risky

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,701 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 09:49 AM

Last line change really has no impact on who wins or loses a series.


7, have you been learning about reality from Bob Goodenow?

A guy who seems to know hockey so well just fell down a couple notches. The last line change for a matchup team like the Devils is H-U-G-E. For 4 games out of the series, Lou will get to react to Jagr's line being put on the ice EACH time it happens (except for on-the-fly line changes). That's no impact?

Look at 2003. How did we win that cup? Matchups, buddy. All about matchups.
  • 0
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder
of Orion. I've watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in the rain.

#17 msweet

msweet

    The Voice of Reason

  • Admin
  • 8,856 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 12:33 PM

The Devils won 3 cups on matching up... particularly the 2003 cup.

The matchups were most evident in the finals against the Ducks.

We won the 4 home games (3 with shut outs) and lost the 3 road games.
  • 0
Follow me on Twitter @MSweetwood

"Quite frankly, all the players are getting paid too much and all the contracts are too long," general manager Lou Lamoriello said. "But if you want to compete in this market and you want to win, there are some things you have to do."


#18 Hellacious_D

Hellacious_D

    Prospect

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 78 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 12:58 PM

When you watch the games in New Jersey for this series and you notice Pandolfo on the ice whenever Jagr's on the ice and then look at the box score after each game a notice that Jagr had zero goals, then you'll understand why having the last line change at home is crucial in the playoffs.

Matchups my boy, matchups...
  • 0

#19 '7'

'7'

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,148 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 01:03 PM

7, have you been learning about reality from Bob Goodenow?

A guy who seems to know hockey so well just fell down a couple notches. The last line change for a matchup team like the Devils is H-U-G-E. For 4 games out of the series, Lou will get to react to Jagr's line being put on the ice EACH time it happens (except for on-the-fly line changes). That's no impact?

Look at 2003. How did we win that cup? Matchups, buddy. All about matchups.


what difference does it make, Jagr can skate circles around the Scott Stevens of the world as well as the Odeleins. We didn't have home ice in any of the rounds in 95 and won. We didn't have home ice against the Flyers in 2000 and won. We didn't have it against the Senators in 2003 and won.

We won the Cup in 2003 because the Ducks were one of the worst teams in NHL history to make the finals, they should've been swept matching or no matching. That team had zero offense.
  • 0
^7^ is just defending his sport sheeps.. as Alcibiades the exiled Athenian rationalizes in his speech to the enemy Spartans, he wants to take revenge on Athens because he loves it and can't stand to see the state it's in now - Triumph
Posted Image Posted Image

#20 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 27,799 posts

Posted 19 April 2006 - 01:08 PM

what difference does it make, Jagr can skate circles around the Scott Stevens of the world as well as the Odeleins. We didn't have home ice in any of the rounds in 95 and won. We didn't have home ice against the Flyers in 2000 and won. We didn't have it against the Senators in 2003 and won.

We won the Cup in 2003 because the Ducks were one of the worst teams in NHL history to make the finals, they should've been swept matching or no matching. That team had zero offense.


You just continue to make no sense. No, we didn't have home ice in any of the rounds in 95 but guess what, none of those series went 7 games. And yes, we beat the Flyers and Senators - that is one game.

The point is not that 'having the last line change determines who wins the series'. It is one of many factors that go into winning a series. I think some of the posters on this thread are overstating the importance of the last line change, but it is still quite important. 'The last line change' will almost never be the determining factor in who wins or loses a series - its effect is hard to locate - but it obviously has an effect. I'll be pointing out the effect as the series goes along.
  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users