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#21 Devilsdude530

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 09:23 PM

Isn't Michael Farber considered America's preeminent hockey journalist. I'm sure more experienced (and knowladgeable) writers like Greg and Derek know the totem pole better, but isn't it he and Kevin Allen and Larry Brooks the most powerful US hockey writers?
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 10:27 PM

I am not a big fan of the 8 games in division play. I like seeing the Devils play the west. I will say i did enjoy seeing the Rangers and Flyers 8 times BUT I hated seeing the Islanders and Pens 8 times (mostly cuz the Devils sucked against them at times). I just really don't like the idea of teams not playing certain teams cities for 3 years. Yeah I have center ice but hockey is a live sport and with the great young talents how can we not let some markets see them live? I know I get tickets for Bruins games so I can see certain players play not the teams.
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 11:12 PM

1.Winnipeg should have a team- he's preaching to the choir. If fvcking Edmonton can have one, why not Winnipeg? Edmonton is small as hell but owned by like 25 different people. Put up a new arena (it's been talked about enough) and take a shot. It doesn't have to be Winnipeg either. Canada deserves another team for all the sh!t expansion and relocation they put up with. I don't care if it's Winnipeg, Quebec City or Hamilton. Just give them a fvcking team already.

2.All Star Game in Europe every 5 Years- A great idea. But could it work given the time difference? They'd have to make it a weekend event. Not this silly week sh!t. I am all for it. Europe sure has made a major contribution to the NHL the past 15 years. I think it would be great but am skeptical if they could pull it off.

3.Fire the entire NHL PR staff- Amen to that. Bunch of fvcking morons. How many sh!t commercials could these idiots produce? When are they going to show off the damn product? It's the best one out there. Partnership my ass.

4.Scrap the Reebok form-fitting jerseys- again, he nails it. But heck. Any one of us knew that. It's just moronic. If the league actually goes through with this, they look even dumber.

5.Tell the truth about attendance- yes! Stop lying to the public to dress yourselves up. How about being honest about where things are? They lied a year and a half ago and continue to deceive the public.

6.Cancel the OLN deal- no. This I can't agree on. OLN might have royally botched the NHL Draft coverage and had some screwups during their first year. But give them a chance. They are more devoted to covering the game. It's better to have a hockey network than a sports and entertainment one that doesn't care enough to give that kind of effort.

7.Return the referees' names to jerseys- yes. I mean we know who some of them are. But still, there are some others who aren't known. Bad calls will happen. I want to know who screws up.

8.Penalize or fine for illegal equipment- 50/50. If players aren't conforming, then yes. They should face penalty or fine. My main issue though is the hypocrisy regarding illegal sticks. Why are only the offensive stars penalized and never the goalies when you know some are cheating despite what the rulebook says?

9.Mandatory visors- I'll say no. Bottom line is it's up to each player to decide what's best. My Dad still says if they went back to no helmets, you'd see the sticks come down and more respect. I tend to agree. If it was played that way, there'd be more risks. Players would have to be more responsible for their actions. Nobody likes to see guys get hurt. I think if you do go mandatory visors, the stick infractions must be severely penalized. But also, it just gives opposition more reason to go after someone hard with reckless abandon. This is a tough issue.

10.Rivalry games but too many- no, NO and NO!!!!! Put me in the minority who love the increased rivalry games. By playing 8 times, it puts more emphasis on division play. That's good. There's nothing like the energy of 8 Ranger-Isles, Ranger-Devils, Rangers-Flyers games. And the Pens are coming. So it's only going to get better. If only the Caps still were in the old Patrick. I am for old divisions. That's something he didn't address. But a lot would have to be looked at.

I love 7's idea of going to 84 just go give fans an extra two games against the other conference. Now that is brilliant thinking on how fans can see the other stars.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:20 AM

I believe this was already posted, but:

1: Winnipeg is smaller than Edmonton and lacks the money for an NHL franchise. They had an NHL franchise for 15 years. They are not an NHL city any more than Cleveland. Are you going to invest in a Winnipeg franchise if you had the opportunity? You putting your money in Quebec or Hamilton? These teams could not support franchises 10 years ago, and it is a cruel joke to put teams in the NHL who constantly have to sell off their players and lose money to boot.

2: Middle of the week is the best time for the All-Star Game - the weekend game was stupid and got no ratings, and was either before the Pro Bowl or the NBA All-Star Game. I like this choice.

5: Lying to the public? About what? Who cares what the real attendance figures are - here's a hint, no other sport keeps track of those either.

7: This was universally derided as a way of belittling referees - no other major sport does this. A foolish change to begin with - the game is about the players on the ice, not the referees, and they should not be the focus of the fans.

10: I have no idea why people are supposedly against more rivalry games. No one is really against this - not when the NHL is actually playing for several years consecutively. Rivalries were at their worst last season because there were a lot of new players on teams - the Islanders, Rangers, and Penguins were significantly different. Do people really miss that November game against the Flames every year, or the trek out to the Pacific every Thanksgiving to play lifeless matches? I don't get it.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:30 AM

if it were up to me, i would structure the schedule:

2x vs. each opposing conference team (30 games)
3x vs. other two divisions in own conference (30 games)
6x vs own division teams (24 games)
84 games

theres no reason why we shouldnt see every team atleast once. and preferably twice.

i would also get rid of the netting over the glass at the ends of the arena. it kills the view from alot of seats, alot of on tv camera angles, and pretty much eliminates the chance of getting a puck at a game. i remember the first puck i got in the stands and it was thrilling.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:45 AM

"Just give them a fvcking team already."

Umm wouldn't someone WANT a team in Canada, like a team owner? Several US teams were sold in the past few years. Why didn't anyone from Canada buy a team and relocate? If someone can say they'll by the Pens and relocate them to Kansas City or wherever, why not someone from Canada? What stopped them?
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:46 AM

Shrug, I'd much rather see the Devils play any western team than round 8 against the Rangers.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 01:00 AM

[quote name='forfelix' date='Jul 14 2006, 01:30 AM' post='395885']

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 01:03 AM

if it were up to me, i would structure the schedule:

2x vs. each opposing conference team (30 games)
3x vs. other two divisions in own conference (30 games)
6x vs own division teams (24 games)
84 games

theres no reason why we shouldnt see every team atleast once. and preferably twice.

i would also get rid of the netting over the glass at the ends of the arena. it kills the view from alot of seats, alot of on tv camera angles, and pretty much eliminates the chance of getting a puck at a game. i remember the first puck i got in the stands and it was thrilling.


Why do we want to see every team once? Or twice?!? I don't get it! Did people really like 3 out of 4 against Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver every year! Those games are almost always poorly played by both teams and feel like exhibition games. They're bad games. If you want to see those other teams, watch them on the Center Ice package when they're playing a rival.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 01:37 AM

Why do we want to see every team once? Or twice?!? I don't get it! Did people really like 3 out of 4 against Edmonton, Calgary, and Vancouver every year! Those games are almost always poorly played by both teams and feel like exhibition games. They're bad games. If you want to see those other teams, watch them on the Center Ice package when they're playing a rival.



Why play outside the division at all? What makes NJ/Florida better than NJ/Phoenix? Because it's a "4 point" game? I don't buy that.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 08:03 AM

Why play outside the division at all? What makes NJ/Florida better than NJ/Phoenix? Because it's a "4 point" game? I don't buy that.


What can I sell you, then? It's like in the NFL -- a Giants/Lions game is just going to carry more weight than a Giants/Browns game, even if both games are going to blow.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 09:49 AM

I agree with supporting more division games. Winning the division means more when you beat more teams in your own division, but also, let$ be honest here, we all know why the NHL wants more division games...would a team like the Devils or Sabres prefer 4 guarantees sellouts against the Rags and Leafs, or 13000 against the Blues on a Wednesday night?
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 10:37 AM

10.Rivalry games but too many- no, NO and NO!!!!! Put me in the minority who love the increased rivalry games. By playing 8 times, it puts more emphasis on division play. That's good. There's nothing like the energy of 8 Ranger-Isles, Ranger-Devils, Rangers-Flyers games. And the Pens are coming. So it's only going to get better. If only the Caps still were in the old Patrick. I am for old divisions. That's something he didn't address. But a lot would have to be looked at.


I agree I like the new divisional emphasis. I wish they would go back to the old playoff format of a divisional playoff, then conference finals, then Stanley Cup Finals. That was the perfect system because it nearly guaranteed you rivalries in the first 2 rounds. There would be instant bad blood for the first round and it would make that playoffs much more fun for the fans. Sure there rare case like 94 with the Devils-Rangers meeting for the right to play for the cup would be eliminated but there would be more chances of rivalries overall in the playoffs. Plus teams would be playing the same teams every year in the playoff which build rivalries. Remember in 00 and 01 we played Toronto in the playoffs both years and had a nice rivalry building but we didn't play them in 02, 03, 04, and this year they didn't even make the playoffs and that has dropped off.

It can be done with this current lineup of teams. Realign back into 4 divisions each conference has 15 teams. 2 Divisions have 8 teams 2 have 7. Top 4 teams in each division make the playoffs.


Wales Conference:
Patrick Division:
New Jersey Devils
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
Philadelphia Flyers
Pittsbugh Penguins
Washington Capitals
Columbus Blue Jackets

Adams Division:
Boston Bruins
Montreal Canadiens
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators
Buffalo Sabres
Detroit Red Wings
Chicago Blackhawks
Minnesota Wild

Campbell Conference:
Norris Division:
Atlanta Thrashers
Carolina Hurricanes
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers
Nashville Predators
St. Louis Blues
Dallas Stars

Smythe Division:
Vancouver Canucks
Edmonton Oilers
Calgary Flames
Colorado Avalanche
Phoenix Coyotes
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks

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The only semi-long rivarly I can think of that is broken up is Detroit-St. Louis. But this also brings all 6 Original 6 teams into the same conference with 5 of them being in the same division. As the playoff format would be divisional base Tampa and Florida being in the same conference as the California teams isn't a big problem. After all Toronto was in the Campbell for many years and that was where Tampa originally was.

Edited by jkrdevil, 14 July 2006 - 10:59 AM.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 11:10 AM

how about the fact that two teams may meet in the finals, and then not even play each other the next year?
there have been some great rivalries between teams of opposite conferences throughout the years. and look and detroit and toronto...they were both original six teams and in the same division up until a few years ago, and they may not even meet each year. wouldnt you like to see the devils face all their stanley cup final opponents each year?
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 11:18 AM

how about the fact that two teams may meet in the finals, and then not even play each other the next year?


Doesn't bother me in the least.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 11:43 AM

What can I sell you, then? It's like in the NFL -- a Giants/Lions game is just going to carry more weight than a Giants/Browns game, even if both games are going to blow.

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A schedule with some variety. I didn't realize so many people supported 32 divisional games, around here almost everyone hates it.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 11:55 AM

Doesn't bother me in the least.


Me either. It's commonplace in the NFL and virtually assured in MLB.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:02 PM

I think the new schedule format is more popular in east becasue the teams are so close to each other. The closer the teams are the more of a rivalry there is because you have crossover areas that are split amongst fan base. The more games there are the more times you can trash talk your nieghbot who is a fan of the rival team.

Take the Devils for example they have 24 games against the Rangers, Islanders, and Flyers. All 3 teams are within a 3 hour driving distance of each other. There are plenty of areas where there are both Devils and Flyers fans and Devils and Rangers fan. An area out west which isn't as close to another team is pretty much 100 for that team. There are less rivalries there and thus they would like to see every team more.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 12:53 PM

Oh, now this is fun.

It can be done with this current lineup of teams. Realign back into 4 divisions each conference has 15 teams. 2 Divisions have 8 teams 2 have 7. Top 4 teams in each division make the playoffs.


I'm not thrilled with the unbalanced divisions, but that wouldn't be the end-all.

Wales Conference:
Patrick Division:
New Jersey Devils
New York Rangers
New York Islanders
Philadelphia Flyers
Pittsbugh Penguins
Washington Capitals
Columbus Blue Jackets


The Blue Jackets don't belong here at all. They're a midwest team that needs to build rivalries with Detroit, Nashville and St. Louis to survive. Their fans don't give two sh!ts about these teams.

Adams Division:
Boston Bruins
Montreal Canadiens
Toronto Maple Leafs
Ottawa Senators
Buffalo Sabres
Detroit Red Wings
Chicago Blackhawks
Minnesota Wild


I love the idea of the Wings and Leafs back in the same division. I don't like the idea of taking Chicago and Detroit away from St. Louis. Why not make this a seven-teamer?

Campbell Conference:
Norris Division:
Atlanta Thrashers
Carolina Hurricanes
Tampa Bay Lightning
Florida Panthers
Nashville Predators
St. Louis Blues
Dallas Stars


OK, so what we've done here is take the Southeast and added Nashville, St. Louis and Dallas, while taking away Chicago and Detroit. This might actually work if there was ever a team in Kansas City or OKC, save for the fact that...

Smythe Division:
Vancouver Canucks
Edmonton Oilers
Calgary Flames
Colorado Avalanche
Phoenix Coyotes
Los Angeles Kings
Anaheim Ducks
San Jose Sharks


...you've just blown up the league's transportation budget. Florida and Tampa in the same conference as Vancouver and the California teams?

As a Wales Conference/Patrick Division fan, congrats on making it the best damn conference in the history of hockey.

As a Campbell Conference guy, I'd be telling you to get back on your meds. Taking Detroit away from St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Nashville and the California teams hurts the league, even if it would bring the original six back together.

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Posted 14 July 2006 - 04:29 PM

Personally I like the playoff format.

I'd prefer a 70 game season though.

6x vs division
3x vs conference
2x vs 1 out-of-conference division (divisions match-ups will rotate)
1x vs another out-of-conference (ditto)

Technically that's 69 games but they can't have a 69 game season just cuz of all the bad jokes that would result.

The reason for 2 games against 1 out of conference division is to build a little rivalry. I know 2 games against columbus isn
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