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[Satans Hockey]

You made an obnoxious statement. Why? Probably because you loathe the guy and feel he owes you something. Well, guess what. He doesn't owe anyone anything. You want to blame someone for this circus? Blame Bud Selig and MLB because they turned their collective backs on everything that went on behind the scenes.

I'm not going to blame Bud Selig or the MLB, they might not have done anything about steroids but they didn't force Bonds to do them. He said he didn't know they were steroids. Bullsh!t, he is a grown man and he isn't stupid, he damn well knows what goes into his body. If he had any respect for himself or the game he wouldn't use that garbage. It's the same deal with wrestlers, these guys are knowingly doing steroids, no one makes them and anyone who says they "have to use them to compete" is just using that as an excuse.

I hope they drag Bonds and his fake record through the mud because that is what he deserves. He is no one to look up to or even respect with all the tax evasions going on, cheating on his wife and all that other fun stuff.

fvck him.

[Derek21]

I'm not going to blame Bud Selig or the MLB, they might not have done anything about steroids but they didn't force Bonds to do them. He said he didn't know they were steroids. Bullsh!t, he is a grown man and he isn't stupid, he damn well knows what goes into his body. If he had any respect for himself or the game he wouldn't use that garbage. It's the same deal with wrestlers, these guys are knowingly doing steroids, no one makes them and anyone who says they "have to use them to compete" is just using that as an excuse.

I hope they drag Bonds and his fake record through the mud because that is what he deserves. He is no one to look up to or even respect with all the tax evasions going on, cheating on his wife and all that other fun stuff.

fvck him.

Yep. He's completely evil and at fault. Just Barry! He's never done anything good either off the field. Like we really know the whole story. MLB was very responsible. There wouldn't even be any rule changes if the government hadn't stepped in because baseball didn't care.




I wrote a piece about it last night. Here's a link with a couple of excerpts:


http://www.hittingback.com/?cat=14



Lately, so much has been made of how Bonds did it. What should’ve been a huge deal instead was just shrugged off with a slump of the shoulders by many because of recent history which suggests that his remarkable accomplishment was tainted.

A New York Post headline read, “Big sh*t” Wednesday. Considering that this same paper a couple of months ago had Yankee Alex Rodriguez stepping out on his wife with a stripper in Toronto, their credibility was already in as much question as the controversial slugger they had to get a cheapshot in on.

So this rag hit rock bottom with that classless front page. One I’ll never read again.



Finally, commisioner Bud Selig and his cronies got involved and changed the rules dramatically even going as far to ban amphetamines (greenies) last year. Those had been around for half a century and you can bet plenty of the stars our parents and grandparents grew up idolizing used them to get by.

The point being that bending the rules had been going on in baseball for a lot longer than most want to acknowledge. The big difference is that back then, players of that Golden Era were more respected and weren’t front and center on papers for all to see. Their private lives were private which is really how it should be.

[Satans Hockey]

Yep. He's completely evil and at fault. Just Barry! He's never done anything good either off the field. Like we really know the whole story. MLB was very responsible. There wouldn't even be any rule changes if the government hadn't stepped in because baseball didn't care.

Mark and Sosa and the rest of them are cheaters in my eyes too. Bonds has just done a whole lot more to make me respect him less.

Edited by Satans Hockey, 10 August 2007 - 12:24 AM.

[Triumph]

the point is there's a lot of cheating going on in every sport.

I'd prefer not to know about it personally.

it's also funny the attitude towards someone like shawne merriman who got caught - nowhere near the contempt bonds gets. that's because of the attitude of the media towards bonds - they can't stand that he doesn't give a fvck about them. i don't like bonds either, but the articles klapisch has been writing in the record make me vomit and i can't even finish them. i'm sure lupica and all the other holier-than-thou sportswriters in new york have been writing the same crap.

[SteveStevens]

Theres so much cheating in baseball this generation that Barry just became the face because he was going after the most famous single player record. Off the field hes a good dad, he might sometiems come off as arogant but thats how it goes. Im not totally against his record, i dont like it at all but hey, its life.

[Don]

the point is there's a lot of cheating going on in every sport. I'd prefer not to know about it personally.

it's also funny the attitude towards someone like shawne merriman who got caught - nowhere near the contempt bonds gets. that's because of the attitude of the media towards bonds - they can't stand that he doesn't give a fvck about them. i don't like bonds either, but the articles klapisch has been writing in the record make me vomit and i can't even finish them. i'm sure lupica and all the other holier-than-thou sportswriters in new york have been writing the same crap.

The attitude towards steroids is going to ensure their proliferation. Is this what you are advocating? A complete repeal of all drug testing?

As for Bonds vs Merriman.... what record did Merriman break again?

[SatansDevils]

***Barry Bonds 757 Home Runs***

***Barry Bonds has taken steriods and has lied his way to the HR record. He will soon be found guilty and the HR record will be a disgrace.***

[Triumph]

no, Don - I don't want that. However, I also don't want to hear all this simpering garbage about the lack of integrity of athletes and so on and so forth. All this loss of innocence stuff about 'today's game' - Aaron, Mantle, and Mays are said to have cheated, and maybe Babe Ruth cheated, and who knows. I don't care. I mean, I do, but somewhere in between the naive paeans that George Will pens about the perfection of the national pastime and the sludge that Klapisch/Lupica/et. al have been scrawling over these past few days lie people - flawed, easily-tempted people, like the rest of us.

The irony is, naturally, that when players do get caught, their fans don't care. Nor should they! I don't want athletes to have to destroy their bodies to play professional sports but often that's what happens, steroids or not. I certainly don't want high school kids thinking that's the only road to success in pro sports (and most high school kids thinking about pro sports shouldn't be).

Don - Merriman did not break a record. However, he was named Defensive Player of the Year by some of the same media people who look down their noses at Bonds - the hypocrisy is disgusting. The point is that Bonds isn't the only guy, there are all sorts of utility infielders and relief pitchers cheating as well. I'm tired of hearing about Bonds being the only one.

Edited by Triumph, 11 August 2007 - 09:26 AM.

[harpua19]

Mark and Sosa and the rest of them are cheaters in my eyes too. Bonds has just done a whole lot more to make me respect him less.

Exactly....and it will always hold over this era of baseball

[Derek21]

the point is there's a lot of cheating going on in every sport.

I'd prefer not to know about it personally.

it's also funny the attitude towards someone like shawne merriman who got caught - nowhere near the contempt bonds gets. that's because of the attitude of the media towards bonds - they can't stand that he doesn't give a fvck about them. i don't like bonds either, but the articles klapisch has been writing in the record make me vomit and i can't even finish them. i'm sure lupica and all the other holier-than-thou sportswriters in new york have been writing the same crap.

I don't think you could've posted it any better.

[LOTCB]

Aaron, Mantle, and Mays are said to have cheated, and maybe Babe Ruth cheated, and who knows. I don't care.

Aaron, Mantle, and Mays cheated? Links to articles? Or better yet, any 300 page books written about these guys cheating?? If they have, show me and Ill be 100 percent happy to stand corrected.

Don - Merriman did not break a record. However, he was named Defensive Player of the Year by some of the same media people who look down their noses at Bonds - the hypocrisy is disgusting. The point is that Bonds isn't the only guy, there are all sorts of utility infielders and relief pitchers cheating as well. I'm tired of hearing about Bonds being the only one.

I guess the lashings that Palmerio, McGwire, Giambi, Sheffield, Sosa and some others have received about being on the juice and their numbers being tainted means Bonds is the ONLY one?

As for Merriman, I will agree with you to a point...but winning Defensive Player of the Year is a FAR cry from breaking the all time HR record when it comes to being a treasured accomplishment...I agree with you regarding the NFL, these players are juicing there is zero doubt about that...but right or wrong, that is more 'accepted' in that sport IMO because of the nature of the sport...baseball, at least in the public's eyes, is different...records are treasured much more.

Plus, with the NFL, the media and fans have become blind to the issues for the most part in that league...go ahead and juice they will say, just do not interrupt my fantasy football draft, tailgate parties, my Directtv NFL package, and the 10X parlay bet I have with the local bookie.

And in closing, I agree Bonds is unfairly singled out..but I'm sorry...if you go from a HR every 20 AB and at 35 slash that number in HALF...something is up, I cannot get past that. But..having said that..Bonds is a clear cut HOFer and was an all time great before the cream and clear took him over.

Edited by LOTCB, 11 August 2007 - 03:51 PM.