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[ghdi]

I dont consider the right to smoke pot or consume alchohol a freedom. I consider it a luxary that I would sacrifice to save the lives of my fellow man who I may or may never meet. You can quote old dead guys until you are blue in the face but if you think Mr. Jefferson wouldn't make the same statement I made before or any rationale caring person on the planet, then you are dillusional.

The problem with this logic is that there's millions of people who wouldnt agree. They tried prohibition before and it led to one of the biggest crime waves in US history. Taking away a freedom is exponentially worse than giving one. Especially one that generations of Americans have had for decades. It would hurt every single bar owner, liquor store owner and convienience store owners.

I completely respect the sentiment but the ramifications from another era of alcohol prohibition would be ten times worse than the rise of Al Capone, prohibition does nothing but promote organized crime. Same with illegal drugs and foreign cartels and domestic drug runners.

Its never been legal therefore its hard to switch

In your lifetime, in my lifetime it's never been legal.

There was a time in this country when cocaine was even legal but it was abused. Marijuana prohibition started in the 30s because of idiots with agendas who demonized it for their own gains. The stigma surrounding it in this country is almost absurd.

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Edited by ghdi, 08 September 2007 - 11:06 AM.

[Super 17]

Edited by Super 17, 08 September 2007 - 11:05 AM.

[Kicksave Brodeur!!]

The problem with this logic is that there's millions of people who wouldnt agree. They tried prohibition before and it led to one of the biggest crime waves in US history. Taking away a freedom is exponentially worse than giving one. Especially one that generations of Americans have had for decades. It would hurt every single bar owner, liquor store owner and convienience store owners.

I completely respect the sentiment but the ramifications from another era of alcohol prohibition would be ten times worse than the rise of Al Capone, prohibition does nothing but promote organized crime. Same with illegal drugs and foreign cartels and domestic drug runners.



In your lifetime, in my lifetime it's never been legal.

There was a time in this country when cocaine was even legal but it was abused. Marijuana prohibition started in the 30s because of idiots with agendas who demonized it for their own gains. The stigma surrounding it in this country is almost absurd.

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Very well spoken, I agree completely.

[Don]

From the Wikipedia article

In 1938, DuPont patented the processes for creating plastics from coal and oil and a new process for creating paper from wood pulp. If hemp would have been largely exploited and also become a comercial success, it would have likely been used to make paper and plastic, and may have hurt DuPont’s profits. Andrew Mellon of the Mellon Bank was DuPont's chief financial backer and was also the Secretary of Treasury under the Hoover administration.

Oi. Another example of the best government money can buy.

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You will remember 3 years ago the Liberal government of Canada tried to decriminalize marijuana, but we were told by a certain country that they would stop each and every truck trying to cross the border and search it top to bottom looking for marijuana. The huge economic impact of stopping all transfer trucks crossing the border made the Liberals think twice and they delayed implementation. Then they were given a vote of non-confidence leaving the legislation in purgatory until after the election. Once the Conservatives won the election, Prime Minister Harper, who licks Bush's balls, threw out the legislation and said that Canada would crack down on marijuana use. But that crackdown hasn't come as police have far better things to do with their time - they only arrest people for huge grow-ops or if they are blatantly selling. As previously mentioned in this thread, there are cafés in Vancouver where it's well know that you can get easy access to pot.

Edited by Don, 08 September 2007 - 07:07 PM.

[XxLancerHockeyPridexX]

I dont smoke, I've never smoke and I dont plan on smoking. I cant stand pot heads. They piss me off to no extent.

Dude17's picture pretty much says it all. Lmao. My friend Dan smokes quite a bit and his reactions and responses are so slow...its quite sad.

I dont know..do people like think they are cool or something when they smoke? Because they aren't. They look like a bunch of a$$holes and most teens only smoke because they think it will make them cool and .... frankly, it doesnt.


Ps. Crack is also whack.

Edited by XxLancerHockeyPridexX, 08 September 2007 - 11:33 AM.

[SteveStevens]

Yeah pot is very stupid and not anything i would ever use or try. Its gross because most of the time they are made in dirty places who want profit so they just move it out.

[LizDevil30]

I dont smoke, I've never smoke and I dont plan on smoking. I cant stand pot heads. They piss me off to no extent.

Dude17's picture pretty much says it all. Lmao. My friend Dan smokes quite a bit and his reactions and responses are so slow...its quite sad.

I dont know..do people like think they are cool or something when they smoke? Because they aren't. They look like a bunch of a$$holes and most teens only smoke because they think it will make them cool and .... frankly, it doesnt.
Ps. Crack is also whack.

Talk about painting with a broad stroke. I know people that smoke pot too. They are responsible, respectable, considerate, just great people. I think the "pot heads" that piss you off to no extent would piss you off regardless of whether or not they smoked pot, drank alcohol or abstained from both.

[Eltab213]

I dont smoke, I've never smoke and I dont plan on smoking. I cant stand pot heads. They piss me off to no extent.

Dude17's picture pretty much says it all. Lmao. My friend Dan smokes quite a bit and his reactions and responses are so slow...its quite sad.

I dont know..do people like think they are cool or something when they smoke? Because they aren't. They look like a bunch of a$$holes and most teens only smoke because they think it will make them cool and .... frankly, it doesnt.
Ps. Crack is also whack.

I used to be somewhat skeptical when it came to the actual effectivness of medical marijuana. About a month ago i was walking through the library and noticed a book about the medical uses of marijuana sitting among the new books collection, thought it looked interesting and decided to inform myself about it, I was quite surprised. Mind you this was a book written by a medical doctor and not a "pot head" which you "can't stand".

The author studied a compelling set of scientific tests which concluded that Marijuana was the best possible medicine for a number of serious medical conditions.

Multiple Sclerosis. In most cases, Marijuana was the best known medicine to combat muscle spasms, tremors, muscle pain, bladder function, and the restlessness associated with Multiple Sclerosis.

Glaucoma. The THC in Marijuana "could safely and effectively lower intraocular pressure more than a variety of drugs then on the market." http://en.wikipedia....ucoma#Treatment Basically Glaucoma is a disease in which your eye slowly asserts pressure to you're retina until you are completly blind. Although Marijuana doesnt cure Glaucoma, it does, however, drastically slow the process.

Nausa from Chemotherahpy. In many chemotherapy cases, Marijuana effectivly reduced the nausious effects (vomiting, disyness) of chemotherapy, and drastically increased the appetite among patients who lost serious amounts of weight as a result of the "loss of appetite" side effect of Chemotherapy.

HIV, or AIDs wasting. Marijuana has been proven to be a cheap, and effective medicine for the symptoms of AIDs wasting. Many patients, who have never been "pot heads" and who prefer the soothing effects of Marijuana to reduce nausua, vomiting, loss of appetite associated with AIDs wasting, have been arrested and sentenced to jail for buying/growing their own, rather than spend massive amounts of money, for alternative medicines.

Those are just the uses of medical marijuana I can remember from the book. There are others.

So, Lancer. Do you think those people are just "trying to be cool" and "look like abunch of a$$holes" becuase they smoke marijuana ?

Edited by Eltab213, 08 September 2007 - 01:50 PM.

[Eltab213]

I dont consider the right to smoke pot or consume alchohol a freedom. I consider it a luxary that I would sacrifice to save the lives of my fellow man who I may or may never meet. You can quote old dead guys until you are blue in the face but if you think Mr. Jefferson wouldn't make the same statement I made before or any rationale caring person on the planet, then you are dillusional.

Driving is considered to be a luxury and not a "freedom", should we sacrifice that because it could "save the lives of my fellow man who I may or may never meet" ?

My point is, you should never surrender a freedom or "luxury" as you call it, because it *could* save lives. Would you surrender your privacy rights, if it prevented terrorist attacks, or your second amendment right, so that no one would die from firearms?

[ghdi]

I dont smoke, I've never smoke and I dont plan on smoking. I cant stand pot heads. They piss me off to no extent.

Dude17's picture pretty much says it all. Lmao. My friend Dan smokes quite a bit and his reactions and responses are so slow...its quite sad.

I dont know..do people like think they are cool or something when they smoke? Because they aren't. They look like a bunch of a$$holes and most teens only smoke because they think it will make them cool and .... frankly, it doesnt.
Ps. Crack is also whack.

how do you feel about people who drink or smoke cigarettes?

I'm fine with people not wanting to smoke or not liking it or what not, but the absolute cluelessness and stererotyping of this post is absurd. Not everyone who fires up a joint occasionally is a blithering idiot or stinky hippie with no aim in life. There's a big difference between a stoner and a occasional user or even someone who smokes a joint after work every day, same as theres a difference between an alcoholic and someone who goes to the bar once or twice a week or has a drink every night after work.

The point is, marijuana ABUSE is bad, same as alcohol abuse, painkiller abuse, etc is bad. There's a difference between abuse and use. Hell, you can abuse McDonalds and Id say a Big Mac a day is a lot worse in the long run than a joint a day.

Edited by ghdi, 08 September 2007 - 02:12 PM.

[sykkie15]

I dont smoke, I've never smoke and I dont plan on smoking. I cant stand pot heads. They piss me off to no extent.

Dude17's picture pretty much says it all. Lmao. My friend Dan smokes quite a bit and his reactions and responses are so slow...its quite sad.

I dont know..do people like think they are cool or something when they smoke? Because they aren't. They look like a bunch of a$$holes and most teens only smoke because they think it will make them cool and .... frankly, it doesnt.
Ps. Crack is also whack.

Wow, that's pretty messed up if you ask me. Could you possibly throw a bigger stereotype into the mix?

To be honest, most people don't smoke because it "makes them look cool," they do it because they like the way it makes them FEEL, they enjoy mellowing out after a stressful day, or they might even do it to try to cut back on some of the pain they're experiencing.

So a person who is suffering from extreme pain (maybe from cancer, maybe from something like RSD) is an a$$hole because they are trying to actually get through the day? Lame.

Open your eyes a bit, bud. If you think smoking pot is bad, that's fine, but don't call those who do a$$holes just because it's not your cup of tea.

[XxLancerHockeyPridexX]

Talk about painting with a broad stroke. I know people that smoke pot too. They are responsible, respectable, considerate, just great people. I think the "pot heads" that piss you off to no extent would piss you off regardless of whether or not they smoked pot, drank alcohol or abstained from both.

Well I think it more depends on if they are already asses or not.

I used to be somewhat skeptical when it came to the actual effectivness of medical marijuana. About a month ago i was walking through the library and noticed a book about the medical uses of marijuana sitting among the new books collection, thought it looked interesting and decided to inform myself about it, I was quite surprised. Mind you this was a book written by a medical doctor and not a "pot head" which you "can't stand".

The author studied a compelling set of scientific tests which concluded that Marijuana was the best possible medicine for a number of serious medical conditions.

Multiple Sclerosis. In most cases, Marijuana was the best known medicine to combat muscle spasms, tremors, muscle pain, bladder function, and the restlessness associated with Multiple Sclerosis.

Glaucoma. The THC in Marijuana "could safely and effectively lower intraocular pressure more than a variety of drugs then on the market." http://en.wikipedia....ucoma#Treatment Basically Glaucoma is a disease in which your eye slowly asserts pressure to you're retina until you are completly blind. Although Marijuana doesnt cure Glaucoma, it does, however, drastically slow the process.

Nausa from Chemotherahpy. In many chemotherapy cases, Marijuana effectivly reduced the nausious effects (vomiting, disyness) of chemotherapy, and drastically increased the appetite among patients who lost serious amounts of weight as a result of the "loss of appetite" side effect of Chemotherapy.

HIV, or AIDs wasting. Marijuana has been proven to be a cheap, and effective medicine for the symptoms of AIDs wasting. Many patients, who have never been "pot heads" and who prefer the soothing effects of Marijuana to reduce nausua, vomiting, loss of appetite associated with AIDs wasting, have been arrested and sentenced to jail for buying/growing their own, rather than spend massive amounts of money, for alternative medicines.

Those are just the uses of medical marijuana I can remember from the book. There are others.

So, Lancer. Do you think those people are just "trying to be cool" and "look like abunch of a$$holes" becuase they smoke marijuana ?

Medicinal purposes are different. If you're just smoking it for no apparent reason then you're a loser in my eyes. Sorry.

Wow, that's pretty messed up if you ask me. Could you possibly throw a bigger stereotype into the mix?

To be honest, most people don't smoke because it "makes them look cool," they do it because they like the way it makes them FEEL, they enjoy mellowing out after a stressful day, or they might even do it to try to cut back on some of the pain they're experiencing.

So a person who is suffering from extreme pain (maybe from cancer, maybe from something like RSD) is an a$$hole because they are trying to actually get through the day? Lame.

Open your eyes a bit, bud. If you think smoking pot is bad, that's fine, but don't call those who do a$$holes just because it's not your cup of tea.

Like I just stated medicinal purposes are different. And theres other ways to make you "feel" good after a stressful day...trust me. Also the comment you made about someone smoking to relieve some pain they are experiencing...if its emotional pain then smoking pot isnt going to actually stop that pain...because once you come out of that "trance" the problem STILL persists(depending on the problem and if youve solved it or not.)

Edited by XxLancerHockeyPridexX, 08 September 2007 - 02:15 PM.

[CRASHER]

for once I can almost sorta agree with Lancer there.. ever try to go into a club or bar before the smoking ban... and now how they all hover in front of the front door?? It's a semi-universal arrogance in all smokers that it's their birthright to mess up everyone ELSE'S air by blowing that crap all over the place.... while yes you DO have the right to smoke and Farooq your OWN body... but you don't have the right to mess up the people around you...

so basically ... you don't have the right to exhale

[ghdi]

Well I think it more depends on if they are already asses or not.
Medicinal purposes are different. If you're just smoking it for no apparent reason then you're a loser in my eyes. Sorry.

You're a moron. I'm sorry but that's the way I feel.

They DO have a reason to smoke it, they like the way its makes them feel. Abuse and use are different.

Do you feel the same way about people who like to get drunk occasionally?

for once I can almost sorta agree with Lancer there.. ever try to go into a club or bar before the smoking ban... and now how they all hover in front of the front door?? It's a semi-universal arrogance in all smokers that it's their birthright to mess up everyone ELSE'S air by blowing that crap all over the place.... while yes you DO have the right to smoke and Farooq your OWN body... but you don't have the right to mess up the people around you...

so basically ... you don't have the right to exhale

You're talking about cigarettes. No one here is calling for marijuana use to be allowed in public places.

[XxLancerHockeyPridexX]

how do you feel about people who drink or smoke cigarettes?

I'm fine with people not wanting to smoke or not liking it or what not, but the absolute cluelessness and stererotyping of this post is absurd. Not everyone who fires up a joint occasionally is a blithering idiot or stinky hippie with no aim in life. There's a big difference between a stoner and a occasional user or even someone who smokes a joint after work every day, same as theres a difference between an alcoholic and someone who goes to the bar once or twice a week or has a drink every night after work.

The point is, marijuana ABUSE is bad, same as alcohol abuse, painkiller abuse, etc is bad. There's a difference between abuse and use. Hell, you can abuse McDonalds and Id say a Big Mac a day is a lot worse in the long run than a joint a day.

Well my mom and sister smoke cigs and I drink so... I dont really care. I dont abuse alcohol...I dont drink it all the time. To me marijuana is just...stupid. Sorry but it is.

Edited by XxLancerHockeyPridexX, 08 September 2007 - 02:19 PM.

[ghdi]

And theres other ways to make you "feel" good after a stressful day...trust me..)

Coming from someone who claims to never have smoked, this is another ignorant and myopic statement. Different strokes for different folks. People like the feeling of getting high over other things, and if they're doing it in ways that harms no one else and they're able to function and be contributing members to society, whats the harm?

Again, there's a major difference between use and abuse.

[XxLancerHockeyPridexX]

You're a moron. I'm sorry but that's the way I feel.

They DO have a reason to smoke it, they like the way its makes them feel. Abuse and use are different.

Do you feel the same way about people who like to get drunk occasionally?
You're talking about cigarettes. No one here is calling for marijuana use to be allowed in public places.

I'm a moron because I dont like drugs? Oh wow thats a low blow. Get over yourself, seriously. And they don't always have a reason to smoke it. Medicinal purposes, whatever. Abusing it, you're a fvcking moron. Using it, have fun killing your brain cells because you "feel" good doing it.

[Kicksave Brodeur!!]

Driving is considered to be a luxury and not a "freedom", should we sacrifice that because it could "save the lives of my fellow man who I may or may never meet" ?

My point is, you should never surrender a freedom or "luxury" as you call it, because it *could* save lives. Would you surrender your privacy rights, if it prevented terrorist attacks, or your second amendment right, so that no one would die from firearms?

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Edited by Kicksave Brodeur!!, 08 September 2007 - 02:18 PM.

[XxLancerHockeyPridexX]

Coming from someone who claims to never have smoked, this is another ignorant and myopic statement. Different strokes for different folks. People like the feeling of getting high over other things, and if they're doing it in ways that harms no one else and they're able to function and be contributing members to society, whats the harm?

Again, there's a major difference between use and abuse.

Coming from someone who doesn't smoke? Yeah...your fvckin point? My sisters boyfriend does drugs and I've seen whats it done to people.. so I dont agree with it.

Edited by XxLancerHockeyPridexX, 08 September 2007 - 02:19 PM.

[ghdi]

Well my mom and sister smoke cigs and I drink so... I dont really care. I dont abuse alcohol...I dont drink it all the time. To be marijuana is just...stupid. Sorry but it is.

So why do you drink? Do you like being drunk or getting the buzz?

Its the same reason why people like to smoke marijuana. And since you've never smoked, you wouldnt know how it feels. You're buying into the stigma that this country has attached to it with no first hand knowledge other than being around a couple of stoners.