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#1 Kicksave Brodeur!!

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:38 PM

The Red Sox could use him as a bench coach next year! :whistling:

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:40 PM

Yay!

The Yankees need a new direction and they were never going to get it with Torre.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:42 PM

Yep, rejects a 1 year 8 million dollar deal...

Who's going to replace? I'm going with Mattingly edging out Joe Girardi.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:48 PM

OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS ... :wink2:
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:50 PM

Actually it was a one year, $5 million deal with bonuses depending on the Yankees' playoff performance.

It was both brilliant and skanky to offer him this. Brilliant because it appears on the surface to be a fair compromise and it caused Torre to turn down the Yankees instead of having to fire him. Skanky because they just flat-out didn't have the guts to fire him after all their tough talk the last two plus years.

Plus Torre would almost certainly have been fired anyway with anything less than a hot start, so that he never would have seen any of that bonus money. They didn't want him back.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 03:57 PM

Yeah my fault, it was 1 year 5 million guarentees, +1 million if make playoffs, +1 million if they make the ALCS, +1 if they make WS.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:03 PM

Just the $5M base salary would still make him the highest paid manager in baseball by a wide margin. It was a fair offer. One the Yankees had to make to someone with Torre's longevity with the team.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:14 PM

I'm a Mets fan just as a disclaimer and I think the Yankees are better off without Torre. If I was the Yankees I would want to get someone who would bring an energy feel to the team as my limited time watching the Yanks made it seem like they were a little too robotic at times.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:45 PM

lol they actually offered him a contract still? Steinbrunner (however u spell his name) = hypocrite, much? Torre kinda owned him to buy rejecting the offer.. hahahaha
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:51 PM

Actually it was a one year, $5 million deal with bonuses depending on the Yankees' playoff performance.

It was both brilliant and skanky to offer him this. Brilliant because it appears on the surface to be a fair compromise and it caused Torre to turn down the Yankees instead of having to fire him. Skanky because they just flat-out didn't have the guts to fire him after all their tough talk the last two plus years.

Plus Torre would almost certainly have been fired anyway with anything less than a hot start, so that he never would have seen any of that bonus money. They didn't want him back.


They wouldn't have had to fire him, his contract was up.

I want to say I find it hilarious that after all this media build-up on what the fate of Joe Torre is, that it wound up being Joe Torre himself deciding that fate. But I know better and think that the Yankees intentionally low-balled him. If I'm Joe Torre (with Joe Torre's bank account), I reject it to. A one-year deal basically means a placeholder 'til Don Mattingly steps in, and to take a pay cut (even if it is still the highest managerial contract in baseball) for the right to deal with Steinbrenner and his cronies for another year would be rediculous. Good for Joe. He was the only likeable thing about the Yankees and now he's gone, my hatred of that team can now be 100% unabashed vitriol!
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:52 PM

Really a smart move on the Yankees part. They offer him a contract which would still make him the highest paid manager in baseball but they do it in a way that would really humble Torre. They are going to save face with some fans as they didn't outright fire him they gave him a contract that he almost had to walk on. The guy really has nothing left to prove. He made it to the post season all 12 seasons and has 4 world series championships to show for it yet they wanted him to work on a youll get paid by your level of sucess scenario. It really was genius on Stienbrenners part, now all he has to do is bring in someone like Mattingly who the fans love to really help wipe Torre out of the minds of Yankee fans. If the Yankees end up winning it all under a new manager Stiendbrenner looks like he made the right move. If the yankees miss the playoffs or get bounced early well then hey he can at least say he offered Torre a contract. Pretty smart if you ask me.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 04:53 PM

This had to be done. It has looked like Joe has really stopped caring about 3-4 years ago. I hardly see the Yankees these days do the little aggressive things they used to do when they were winning championships.

It was a classy move by the Yankees to make it look like he is quitting rather then outright fire him. His friendship with the Yankees top brass is really no secret anyways.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:26 PM

This had to be done. It has looked like Joe has really stopped caring about 3-4 years ago. I hardly see the Yankees these days do the little aggressive things they used to do when they were winning championships.

It was a classy move by the Yankees to make it look like he is quitting rather then outright fire him. His friendship with the Yankees top brass is really no secret anyways.


This is the third mention of making him quit versus firing him...am I misinformed? I could have sworn his contract was up this year, which would mean they didn't have to fire him, they only had to not re-hire him.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:43 PM

Finally! I love Torre for the late nineties, but I have wanted him gone for some time now. Trey Hillman for manager 08!
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 05:46 PM

13 years of the playoffs is not enough.

Smooth move.

Talk all you want about "Joe needed to move on" this is a ZERO class, lowball move by the Yankee$ no matter how you $lice it.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 06:03 PM

13 years of the playoffs is not enough.

Smooth move.

Talk all you want about "Joe needed to move on" this is a ZERO class, lowball move by the Yankee$ no matter how you $lice it.

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Yeah.... Dude, for about the last 6years, the Yanks didn't win the World Series with the highest Salary cap. There has to be a problem, and it starts with George, then Torre.


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Posted 18 October 2007 - 06:12 PM

The Yankees have needed a new manager for a while now. The problem is, there aren't currently any good ones looking for a job.
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 06:26 PM

1 Year / $8 Million.... :o
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Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:02 PM

The Yankees have needed a new manager for a while now. The problem is, there aren't currently any good ones looking for a job.



Well who is SO much better and available? Saying that, how does that justify lowballing a manager who won you 4 World Series titles??

Oh that's right, the Yankees are SUPPOSED to win the World Series EVERY SEASON...so I guess old great Yankees managers like Casey Stengal, if he didnt win a WS after 6 years....f him, can his a$$.

Disgra$eful.

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Posted 18 October 2007 - 07:12 PM

This is the third mention of making him quit versus firing him...am I misinformed? I could have sworn his contract was up this year, which would mean they didn't have to fire him, they only had to not re-hire him.


You're arguing semantics, they let him go no matter which way you slice it.

I'm a Mets fan granted, so take this fwiw but to me either they should have given him a fair offer or just don't make him an offer at all. Don't insult everyone's intelligence, the Yankees came off rather nutless here. This is the same franchise that once fired Stengel after 10 WS appearances in 12 years, they couldn't just fire Torre the day after the season? They had to drag out this charade for almost two weeks to sell papers and make it look like they wanted him back when everyone knows they didn't.

And as for dismissing the fact that the Yankees have made the playoffs 12 years in a row and they need a new voice, I don't think every manager keeps the team even-keel enough to make the playoffs this year when they were a game under at the break or two years ago when they had that 11-19 start. Especially with all the inherent distractions of managing in NY, and managing under King George - even a diminished shadow of him.

Ironically it would have been better to dump him last year before the job he did this year and when Pinella was still sitting out there. Now what are the Yankees going to do? I'd love to see them get LaRussa, as someone who dislikes him it'd be fun to see him squirm in the NY glare. He's the total anti-Torre. He's the biggest name granted, but the other options aren't that appealing either.

This had to be done. It has looked like Joe has really stopped caring about 3-4 years ago. I hardly see the Yankees these days do the little aggressive things they used to do when they were winning championships.


That's because the Yankees have brought in a different type of player the last few years. They always go for the big-name big-star instead of having a team of solid players that don't have to put up big numbers the way they had when they were winning titles.

Edited by Hasan4978, 18 October 2007 - 07:15 PM.

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