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[Pepperkorn]

My comment was saying we don't want to enlist the death penalty to protect the rich from the flithy murderous masses. The death penalty would be to protect the innocent, poor or rich.

But I dont believe in the death penalty either.

I beleive in capitalism -- but the idea of socialism is wonderful.

I like America. Americans are actually very generous by choice. We're also generally opposed to the government trying to mandate our charity. Madating charity tends to invite corruption. If it appears that we're an ungenerous money grubbing society it's probably because we have a very generous immigration policy and as a result the third largest population in the world.

It's not easy to evenly distribute the wealth in such a culturally diverse environment. Just getting word out about the availabilty of funds is difficult with the many language barriers. So money then needs to be spent on the multi-lingual disemination... we have so many issues really no other country has to deal with on such a large scale -- you just can't even BEGIN to conceptualize. So, just the TIP OF THE ICEBERG: A lot of our economic problems aren't shared by other countries because they don't have the same populous -- they do not have liberal immigration laws which, really, at the end of the day, is the real mark of a countries generosity, don't you think? If you'r going to go there, and ya did - at least be REAL about it OK?

[LetsGoDevils]

Someone's in my house in the middle of the night, their getting a cap in their arse.

Two to the chest. One to the head. Reassess threat. Repeat if necessary.

[Devilish34]

Two to the chest. One to the head. Reassess threat. Repeat if necessary.

Sorry but

[Pepperkorn]

Just quickly because I have to leave and you may woder -- what I was thining is it's a difficult problem merely helping the needy -- sadly the problem of helping the moraly corrupt has to take a back burner until the innocent needy have some help!

[Devilish34]

Just quickly because I have to leave and you may woder -- what I was thining is it's a difficult problem merely helping the needy -- sadly the problem of helping the moraly corrupt has to take a back burner until the innocent needy have some help!

TY I was

[Comandante]

Right, I agree with you at some of the things such as it's generous to have liberal border laws! And US earn respect because of that! And i'm not a socialists.. Nor a capitalist either.. But i must say i belive in some sort of social democracy where the people can control the economy themselfs! A system that can make sure that everyone has social safety! So that those poeple who have not had the same start of their life as others do have equal chances of getting a good life!

You could say that i'm a Socialist within the democratic borders!

[Jimmy Leeds]

What I mean with trying too see the reasons why people choose the criminal life is just that instead of just letting people commit the crime and then punish them.. Wouldn't it be better to try eliminate poverty, rascism and other factors that creates criminals? I don't mean that we shouldn't punish the murderers.. I've just said that while we're punishing them it should be in our responsability to minimize the reasons why people commit the crime! More money to schools, social welfare, psychic care, hospitals could be one way! Even how difficult it might be to have your son killed.. Cause I think all of you who do got a heart wants to reduce the crimes! And I don't think you can do that by "just" have high punishments and more heavy-armed polices..

Well said Democratic Presidential candidate Insert Demoncrat name here

[Devil Fan]

I think the State should keep the Death Penalty, but the Dems in power in NJ feel that with the State's massive debt and other woes, now is the time to do away with it.

Death Penalty should be remained as legal. You kill someone on purspose and you should pay the same price.

[HelenaHandbasket]

I blame the parents not for their economic background, but for being lazy.

What the fvck ever.  Parents aren't everything.  Remember that kid, Steven Stayner?  He was kidnapped and repeatedly molested for a period of years, then escaped nearly ten years later.  He turned out well in spite of all that, though he died young in an accident.  His brother?  Grew up to be a serial killer.  The kid who shot up Virginia Tech?  His sister is a model citizen with an Ivy League education who works for the government.  Anything can happen.

It's interesting though.  There's a lot of an eye for an eye going on in here, but not all killers are sentenced to death, not even in Texas.  If that's a reason to have the death penalty, then why aren't they?

In any case, I voted in favor of removing it (surprise, surprise, right?).  As others stated, it isn't a deterrent, it's ungodly expensive, it's been found faulty many, many times, and the deck is stacked against anyone underprivileged.  I also take exception to the idea that life in prison is super awesome.  I got to visit East Rahway when I was in high school, and it was the scariest fvcking place I've ever been in my life.

The comparison to abortion is also nonsense.  If I were to decide to have an abortion, that's between me and whatever god I may have because there is no definitive proof of when life begins.  The state cannot tell me to, or tell me not to, because they don't get to play god with my life.  The death penalty is exactly that, playing god with someone else's life, and what landed the murderer in trouble in the first place.  To quote my favorite television show ever (because off topic is a silly place, especially the politics forum, so why not?), you go when you're supposed to go, and everything else is homicide.  Even when the state does it.

[LOULAM1]

I can't wait to welcome the influx of killers, rapists and scum who understand the legal system and know they can get off without sitting on death row.

Welcome to NJ: Kill as You Please... Taxpayers will help you lift weights and get you in the best shape of your life!

Also, please don't give me this "the poor can't afford a decent lawyer so death row isn't fair" BS! DNA testing is inexpensive nowadays and you can tell who is innocent/guilty right away. If a scumbag pulls a gun on a Trooper on the Turnpike and shoots him dead defending his or her drugs... death! Rapist.. dead! Not anymore!

Now that there is no DP, let the drugs fly down 95 by a bunch of immigrant Columbians who could give a sh^t because they will not have to sit on death row and will take a chance on general population in a great taxpayer jail system! What we as taxpayers pay for food and clothing for our jail system inmates far outways the living conditions in that 3rd world country from which they came from!

Now that NJ is a "free state" for killers and drug traffic, it sucks to be in law enforcement and God Bless those guys and girls on our interstates! They'll need it!

[Eltab213]

I can't wait to welcome the influx of killers, rapists and scum who understand the legal system and know they can get off without sitting on death row.

Non-biased link providing evidence that the death penalty is solely responsible for a decrease in the occurance of "killers, rapists, and scum" ?

HelenaHandbasket said "I also take exception to the idea that life in prison is super awesome." Thats becuase the vast majority of people who say they would rather spend life in prison than be executed have never spent one day behind bars.

[Comandante]

"I also take exception to the idea that life in prison is super awesome." Thats becuase the vast majority of people who say they would rather spend life in prison than be executed have never spent one day behind bars."

True. The jails could and should be better! Much better if the criminals are to have a fair chance of getting out of the criminal life!!

[Devilish34]

What the fvck ever. Parents aren't everything.

So parents should not be mindful of who,where,and what their children are involved in or their state of mind??
And not not every case is the same and yes sometimes people just snap but what about
the Columbine shootings link
There were many signs there that the parents should of picked up on.

But thats not what I was thinking when I posted that and yes I should of quoted PK's post
properly.

But on topic some people just do not deserve to live and are beyond rehab.

[Devilish34]

HelenaHandbasket said "I also take exception to the idea that life in prison is super awesome." Thats becuase the vast majority of people who say they would rather spend life in prison than be executed have never spent one day behind bars.

And have you worked with had lunch with and drove to work with people who have spent 5/10 yrs in jail??
Because I have and they all said jail was not that bad for them. Almost like a police man does
you get to meet people from all walks of life when you work in construction.

Edited by Devilish34, 20 December 2007 - 10:55 AM.

[Jimmy Leeds]

The jails could and should be better! Much better if the criminals are to have a fair chance of getting out of the criminal life!!

Is this guy something else? How naive can you be?

Drug dealers do not face the death penalty, even King Pins, I believe.

And the construction trade is full of ex-cons, some re-habbed, some not. I arrested a guy right on his job site a month ago. He won't learn.

[Devils731]

And the construction trade is full of ex-cons, some re-habbed, some not. I arrested a guy right on his job site a month ago. He won't learn.

Don't you get it JL, if the Jail was nicer he would be more likely to not go back there.

[Comandante]

Don't you get it JL, if the Jail was nicer he would be more likely to not go back there.

Pff..

[Devilish34]

Is this guy something else? How naive can you be?

Drug dealers do not face the death penalty, even King Pins, I believe.

And the construction trade is full of ex-cons, some re-habbed, some not. I arrested a guy right on his job site a month ago. He won't learn.

I worked with a guy who later killed someone with his hammer.
Maybe the jail he was in before was real nice. I think he was sent
to Graterford.

[Jimmy Leeds]

According to our 16 year old Swedish idealist, barbaric Americans apparently owe it to convicts to make their earned prison stay as acceptable and comforting an experience as possible.

I'll be ruining a couple of Christmas' in the next couple of days if I can find a couple of people..............hopefully..........

[Swede]

maybe not that. but lets not have prison being a great school for petty first time criminals to learn the trade for real from the experts