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#121 njdevils_info

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Posted 07 February 2008 - 10:48 PM

Thanks for posting the stats. This only further reinforces the thought here. Stats don't lie, we need to dump this lazy SOB quick. He doesn't block any shots or register enough hits. I'll give him a pass on the faceoffs since he's a winger, but he'd also better start dropping the gloves and racking up some penalty minutes soon too. No sense keeping a loser who only shows up on MOST of leader boards for this team. If he can't get on ALL of them, then dump his a$$ to toronto.


I'm hoping there was some humor in that post, because it made me seriously laugh. Not in a mean way or anything, but the though of Gio at 5' 7" dropping the gloves is just a funny mental image.

I wouldn't blame him either.


I wouldn't consider Gio as the Devils whipping boy like Gomer was, would you? I personally think Gomez decided to leave because he was tired of the coach ragging on him all the time. I thinkwe're fortunate to have a coach who rags on everyone all the time! :evil:
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:09 PM

I'm hoping there was some humor in that post, because it made me seriously laugh. Not in a mean way or anything, but the though of Gio at 5' 7" dropping the gloves is just a funny mental image.
I wouldn't consider Gio as the Devils whipping boy like Gomer was, would you? I personally think Gomez decided to leave because he was tired of the coach ragging on him all the time. I thinkwe're fortunate to have a coach who rags on everyone all the time! :evil:


I wouldn't say he would leave so much because he is whipping boy as much as because he may feel working with Gomez would allow him to return to that 48 goal form while still staying in the same relative area.

And when he dropped the gloves with Chara, it was awesome!
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Posted 07 February 2008 - 11:13 PM

I wouldn't say he would leave so much because he is whipping boy as much as because he may feel working with Gomez would allow him to return to that 48 goal form while still staying in the same relative area.

And when he dropped the gloves with Chara, it was awesome!

Can you please do me a favor and tell me when this occured? I must have missed that and I must see it. From my database, I don't see a 5 min major involving Gio...
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 12:44 AM

Can you please do me a favor and tell me when this occured? I must have missed that and I must see it. From my database, I don't see a 5 min major involving Gio...



Well, he does have 1 fighting major, it came in 2003 against the Oilers, when he took on the heavyweight known as Todd Marchant i believe. Neiuwy stormed the crease, and those 2 seperated from the ensuing scrum. The game vs boston however, while getting into a tussle with Chara, was not given a penalty.
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"Jay Pandolfo's last game at Boston University was against the Wolverines," Madden said. "My job was to cover his line. Jay had scored something like 30 goals in 30 games that season. And that was his 31st game. Guess what happened?"

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 11:47 AM

Can you please do me a favor and tell me when this occured? I must have missed that and I must see it. From my database, I don't see a 5 min major involving Gio...


It was after time ran out in Boston. The 4-3 loss with Weekes in net, i think it was beginning of January. It wasn't a toe-to-toe fight, but he got roughed up and showed some awesome fire. Really stood up for himself, and it was good seeing Langenbrunner, Parise, etc, all coming in too. It's one of the reasons I like the guy, even if he isn't a scoring threat so much anymore.

Post-game scrum.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 12:11 PM

His first instinct is always to try to get the puck on the net, and to take it to the net when he gets it in the neutral zone.

I cheered when he passed it to Karel. He had to get yelled at though, to do that.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 12:49 PM

I cheered when he passed it to Karel. He had to get yelled at though, to do that.


Why are people harping on this? Players yell at each other and from the bench all the time when people are open.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 12:59 PM

Yeah for the LIFE of me I can't imagine why players would COMMUNICATE on the ice

for all the money they make you'd think they have psychic implants or something cool like that :P
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:04 PM

Why are people harping on this? Players yell at each other and from the bench all the time when people are open.


They've never played any sports :noclue:
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:07 PM

They've never played any sports :noclue:

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:12 PM

That's not true. I played sports through high school, and intramural college. I know how it works. But they had to REALLY REALLY HOLLER to get Gio's attention, and I'm glad they did, because as Triumph keeps harping on, Gio just fvcking shoots in those situations 99% of the time.

I still play sports. I'm hoping to join the adult league at the Ice House.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:20 PM

So does anyone have any serious ideas for trade offers involving Gionta? I wanted the Devils to look into getting J.P. Dumont earlier this season but he just signed a long term deal to stay in Nashville at a reasonable 4 mill and will probably not be moved.

Gionta has one more year after this one at 4 mill, a reasonable price for a team that can pay it

a good site for contracts:
http://www.nhlnumbers.com

neat (maybe unrealistic) possibilities:
Marleau, Cheechoo - Will probably require more than just Gionta. Cheech's contract is excellent, Marleau's might sting
Hossa - Gionta, some draft picks/prospects for a half year of Hossa. If we could find a way to resign him would be genius.
St. Louis - Basically Brian Gionta but better, would cost another 1.25 million for a while to pay him.
Erik Cole - Same exact contract, both are having mediocre years. Canes probably wouldnt bother unless he falls out of favor, or are worried about him breaking his neck.
Bertuzzi - same contract, mediocre numbers.

Reality:
Gionta doesn't have much value and its not like we can just trade him for a BETTER player at the same exact position. We're either gonna have to trade for a rental/unenticing contract, some prospects, or Dmen from Vancouver.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:20 PM

Hack bit, come up with something original :D


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Posted 08 February 2008 - 01:48 PM

I covered a lot of these way up the thread.

neat (maybe unrealistic) possibilities:
Marleau, Cheechoo - Will probably require more than just Gionta. Cheech's contract is excellent, Marleau's might sting


Cheechoo is having a terrible season - no way that New Jersey sends more. I doubt San Jose is interested in Gionta as they have a similar player coming up in Devon Setoguchi.

Hossa - Gionta, some draft picks/prospects for a half year of Hossa. If we could find a way to resign him would be genius.


Too big a gamble - and Hossa is soft in the playoffs. We need defense before offense, too - get a real PP D man and everyone in our top 6 scores 2 more goals a year.

St. Louis - Basically Brian Gionta but better, would cost another 1.25 million for a while to pay him.


Didn't consider this. I don't think it makes much sense for Tampa.

Erik Cole - Same exact contract, both are having mediocre years. Canes probably wouldnt bother unless he falls out of favor, or are worried about him breaking his neck.


Yeah, this would be awesome. I love Erik Cole, I think he's a much better player than Brian Gionta. Unfortunately the 'Canes have enough midgets in Whitney, Samsonov, and Scott Walker.

Bertuzzi - same contract, mediocre numbers.


Too big an injury risk.

Gionta doesn't have much value and its not like we can just trade him for a BETTER player at the same exact position. We're either gonna have to trade for a rental/unenticing contract, some prospects, or Dmen from Vancouver.


Eh. I still think there's a shot he can be used to get Martin Havlat, and that's a gamble worth taking. Unless Lou does something crazy like flips a prospect for an RW, then flips Gionta for a D, I don't see how those scenarios make much sense. I do think there's a very strong chance Gionta isn't traded, especially because he'll probably burst out of his slump soon and start putting in those tap-in goals, but it's something New Jersey should explore. As it stands I think Gionta is the weakest link in the Top 6.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:38 PM

Didn't consider this. I don't think it makes much sense for Tampa.


Tampa really wants to get out from under the Richards contract, but St. Louis is 32, and on the books until 2011 at 5.25 per. Not a great contract either.

Both have been in rumors.

I really like the Havlat idea because I think he would have instant chemistry with Elias, something that is a serious problem with our offense. I'd prefer getting him or Hossa. Chicago is pretty far out of the race right now, I dont know what they would want. Maybe they talk themselves into a stanley cup winning Brian Gionta to help usher in the young guys, but I think they would want something different than a deal with Gionta as the centerpiece for Havlat. Size and toughness perhaps.

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Posted 08 February 2008 - 02:53 PM

Gionta for St.Louis could be a deal given Tampa can free up 1.25M per year in cap space, but can St. Louis put up big numbers without Lecavalier is a huge question mark there.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:16 PM

Gionta for St.Louis could be a deal given Tampa can free up 1.25M per year in cap space, but can St. Louis put up big numbers without Lecavalier is a huge question mark there.


Not to mention, doesn't St Louis have the dreaded NTC? Would he want to waive that to go to one of the worst offensive teams in the league?
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:17 PM

Not to mention, doesn't St Louis have the dreaded NTC? Would he want to waive that to go to one of the worst offensive teams in the league?


Tampa is really struggling, I think he probably would waive the clause, he seems like a competitive guy. Just a guess though.
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:24 PM

Tampa is really struggling, I think he probably would waive the clause, he seems like a competitive guy. Just a guess though.


Oh, I agree that he would try to abandon a sinking ship, but I guess I meant more along the lines of if 5 teams were in the running, would he choose NJ?
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Posted 08 February 2008 - 03:36 PM

the fourth period claims boston wants to trade phil kessel for a D-man or top six forward. I dont know why they would, but lets say for sake of discussion they do.

Gionta for Kessel straight up.


Kessel age 20 signed this year and next then RFA at cap hit of 2.2mil per
Season GP G A P +/-
2007-2008 53 14 13 27 -7

Gio age 28 signed this year and next at 4mil per
Season GP G A P +/-
2007-2008 54 13 22 35 2


obviously trading proven for potential, but if gio has hit his ceiling as many here are proclaiming, then a risk on kessel who may turn out better could be worth it.

btw, I'm not saying we should trade gio, but just entertaining myself with this kind of discussion.
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