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#261 Triumph

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 11:33 AM

The Devils are quick to stick up for Brodeur, there's not a guy on the team who's afraid of going into the corner, and everyone is willing to throw a body check if it's called for.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 11:37 AM

I didn't get to watch the game last night, but there was a highlight where Langs is to the goalies left and, as he's battling for the rebound, gets cleaned out from the crease by a Pens' defenseman....hard. I did not see any other Devil on the ice stick up for the captain. Maybe the highlight cut that part out. But if not, that is totally unacceptable and indicates a lack of heart in my book.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 11:45 AM

I didn't get to watch the game last night, but there was a highlight where Langs is to the goalies left and, as he's battling for the rebound, gets cleaned out from the crease by a Pens' defenseman....hard. I did not see any other Devil on the ice stick up for the captain. Maybe the highlight cut that part out. But if not, that is totally unacceptable and indicates a lack of heart in my book.


If you had seen the game last night you would have seen a bunch of scrums that were started by both teams.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 11:47 AM

Sometimes ... sometimes it means to score a tying goal and sometimes it means to lose with a message. Last week the Cuban national u-23 team played a soccer game with 10 players on the field because over 7 starters and subs defected the night before. They played 90 minutes a man down and LOST -- but they showed balls and HEART. That is what Im talking about Triumph.


Thing is, take the goalies out of the equation and stack the Devils' 18 skaters against the Penguins' 18, or the Canadiens' 18, or even the Rangers' 18. We're just not nearly as good as any of these teams. And other than the third period Saturday and maybe the last Canadiens game can't really question effort in those games (the 0-10 in our so-called biggest games of the year). We're just not good enough offensively to get anything on a good team when they show up with as much intensity as we do, whereas we beat Ottawa twice because they really do have no heart.

I've had all the extremes as a sports fan this year - one team with talent to win a championship but absolutely no heart and desire and it cost them (Mets), another team that has desire but flat-out zero offensive talent (Devils) and another team that's just so bad they inspired apathy (Jets).

And as for the topic of this thread, I'll say this for the 50th time...either the Devils were good enough to win as is, or if they weren't, then how exactly were they supposed to get anyone that could make a difference? I mean if we suck so much why would other teams want any of our players to give us their scorers? Clearly our farm team sucks, so we couldn't exactly throw a bunch of prospects at any of these teams without disbanding our farm team entirely. And we obviously couldn't take anyone off the current roster since there's not a lot of talent there to begin with.

There were exactly two difference-makers that moved at the deadline (Hossa and Campbell) and we flat-out just didn't have the assets to get either, that's why there was no 'big' move made. Nobody's delusional except maybe some people in this thread.

Edited by Hasan4978, 26 March 2008 - 11:56 AM.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 01:55 PM

Anyone still think I was wrong?


...through it all, the funniest posts to read were when we were beating NONplayoff teams (Capitals, Toronto, Tampa) after the trade deadline. Hearing fans judge LL's moves (or lack there of) using those teams as evidence was beyond comical. They were singing his praise, some even comparing him to Nostradamus; saying that he somehow predicted Hossa would get injured. :huh: The real games you point to for validation, are the past 7... PLAYOFF TEAMS! (Rangers, Penguins, Canadiens, Avalanche, etc) And in the past 7 games, this team has won 2, all the while scoring 11 goals. But hey, who needs scoring when you got 9 defensive men? ;)

My friend (a Rangers fan) calls me this morning and says: "Hey bro if we beat you tomorrow, you guys drop to 6th in the East." I wanted to cry. Not because how true his statement rang, but because this team didn't need to be in this predicament. This has all the makings of a collapse, and the season isn't even over yet. The choke-job that I have been witnessing for the past 2 weeks is epic, simply because this-did-not-need-to-happen! Period. I'm not saying I know it all, or that I should be GM. I'm simply saying it because it is obvious. The true holes on this team were never addressed at the deadline, and we as fans are now paying for it. :horse: Only St. Louis, Columbus, & the Islanders have scored fewer goals than us people. Am I saying something so "crazy, and out of left field", or something so damn blatant, that even Stevie Wonder would stop and take notice?!?

There lies the frustration on Devil fans alike. Because when you have a General Manager who stands defiant in the face of reality, you're going to have some people erupt. No one's saying what he did in the past, but it's now time to move on. This is a GM that'll be 70 in a few years. This is a young mans sport, leave it that way. Take your 3 rings, and go ride off into the sunset.

Edited by Beezer34, 26 March 2008 - 01:55 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2008 - 02:00 PM

My friend (a Rangers fan) calls me this morning and says: "Hey bro if we beat you tomorrow, you guys drop to 6th in the East." I wanted to cry. Not because how true his statement rang, but because this team didn't need to be in this predicament. This has all the makings of a collapse, and the season isn't even over yet. The choke-job that I have been witnessing for the past 2 weeks is epic, simply because this-did-not-need-to-happen! Period. I'm not saying I know it all, or that I should be GM. I'm simply saying it because it is obvious. The true holes on this team were never addressed at the deadline, and we as fans are now paying for it. :horse: Only St. Louis, Columbus, & the Islanders have scored fewer goals than us people. Am I saying something so "crazy, and out of left field", or something so damn blatant, that even Stevie Wonder would stop and take notice?!?



If the NYR happen to win tomorrow night they will be tied with the Devils in points. The Devils would still have the upper seed which would be 4th still or if Ottawa wins then the Devils would be 5th. The Devils still have more wins than the NYR therefore they would still be ahead in the standings. I think the Devils will win tomorrow night anyway. It has been LONG overdue for them.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 02:16 PM

If the NYR happen to win tomorrow night they will be tied with the Devils in points. The Devils would still have the upper seed which would be 4th still or if Ottawa wins then the Devils would be 5th. The Devils still have more wins than the NYR therefore they would still be ahead in the standings. I think the Devils will win tomorrow night anyway. It has been LONG overdue for them.

That's what I said last week when we played the Islanders. :noclue:
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 02:54 PM

That's what I said last week when we played the Islanders. :noclue:



Different circumstances now for the Devils. There are only 6-games left to go in the regular season and they have to win NOW.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 03:15 PM

Different circumstances now for the Devils. There are only 6-games left to go in the regular season and they have to win NOW.

They have to win just as much as the Rangers have to win. Just because it is late in the season doesn't mean the Devils have the advantage.
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Posted 26 March 2008 - 03:17 PM

They have to win just as much as the Rangers have to win. Just because it is late in the season doesn't mean the Devils have the advantage.



No, but the Devils do have the upper hand in the standings and still have a shot to win the division.
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 12:31 PM

No, but the Devils do have the upper hand in the standings and still have a shot to win the division.


...still have a shot to miss the playoffs too
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 12:35 PM

...still have a shot to miss the playoffs too


a 50 to 1 shot, sure
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 12:37 PM

a 50 to 1 shot, sure


Remember you said that ;)
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 12:41 PM

Remember you said that ;)


The Devils need 4 points in 6 games and then every team behind them can win every single game and the Devils will still make the playoffs. I would say the odds are longer than 50 to 1.

Edited by Devils731, 27 March 2008 - 12:41 PM.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 12:56 PM

And as for the topic of this thread, I'll say this for the 50th time...either the Devils were good enough to win as is, or if they weren't, then how exactly were they supposed to get anyone that could make a difference?


This is usually the truth about ALL deadline deal trades. You may get players to help you win, but the primary answers (or lack of them) are already in the locker room. There's too much myth surrounding trade deadline improvement.
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:38 AM

This deserves a Bump.
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:43 AM

This deserves a Bump.


Why? Nothing has really changed from the arguments before.
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Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:44 AM

Why? Nothing has really changed from the arguments before.



Because msweet was totally right......

100% accurate and to the point.

Lou and Sutter were dellusional then..... and we crashed out of the 1st rd.

The teams left have all either made a splash in the trade market or in the UFA market

we fail at both
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:54 AM

...and who was expecting them to go further in the playoffs?
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Posted 05 May 2008 - 11:58 AM

Because msweet was totally right......

100% accurate and to the point.

Lou and Sutter were dellusional then..... and we crashed out of the 1st rd.

The teams left have all either made a splash in the trade market or in the UFA market

we fail at both


No, Msweet was stil the delusional one to think there was some silver bullet deal that should or could have been made to marketdly make the Devils more effective in the playoffs without harming them in the coming seasons.

And what moves should the Devils have made that would have made them go further for sure? Would these deals have made the Devils effectively worse over the next 2 or 3 seasons? See, we're having the same argument as before now.

Edited by Devils731, 05 May 2008 - 11:59 AM.

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Your unconditional rejection of violence makes you smugly think of yourselves as noble, as enlightened, but in reality it is nothing less than abject moral capitulation to evil. Unconditional rejection of self-defense, because you think its a supposed surrender to violence, leaves you no resort but begging for mercy or offering appeasement.

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