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#1 Devilsdude530

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 10:50 AM

Up against Zetterburg and Datsyuk, so we shall see:

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:01 AM

very deserving, congrats johnny!

how are his chances at winning, sounds like datsyuk is the fav?
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:09 AM

datsyuk with the eyepopping +/- and big numbers will win.

i haven't watched enough wings games this year to tell if their defense (pavel and hank's that is) really is that great.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:13 AM

Datsyuk and Zetteberg? wtf?

My bet is they split the vote and Madden wins.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:17 AM

I havent watched a ton of Detroit but from what I have gathered is that Datsyuk is amazing and while Zett is very good as well, Datsyuk is the more talented of the two. His numbers are staggering, and Zetterberg reaps a lot of those benefits.

Not to mention they have a #1 like Lidstrom to rely on. Madden is my choice. (maybe Im biased)
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:19 AM

These guys are explosive offensively, but Madden stepped it up this year, and was the best guy on our team save for Marty some nights. I'm really glad the league recognized how great of a checker and defenseman he is this year, while still putting up some of his best offensive numbers ever. Congrats Maddog. Pando couldn't do it last year, but I know you'll pull it out this year!
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:26 AM

woooooooo! Congrats Madden! I think its kinda lame that the other two nom's are on the same team though.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:43 AM

When I think defense, I don't think Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Madden is the only legit choice on this ballot.

The Selke is starting to become the joke that the Norris already is.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 11:54 AM

When I think defense, I don't think Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Madden is the only legit choice on this ballot.

The Selke is starting to become the joke that the Norris already is.


That's ridiculous. Datsyuk is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, same with Zetterberg.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:02 PM

This is ridiculous. Zetterberg had 97 pts. and Datsyuk had 92. Some defensive forwards.

I hate the fact that without good offensive numbers you can't really be a nominee for the best DEFENSIVE forward award. And I wonder if Johnny would have became a nominee if he didn't get all those points (his career high, after all). Doubt it.

Why don't we give Selke to Ovechkin? And last year it would really fit well in Crosby's huge collection of trophies - he got like a dozen of awards, I really think they should have given him a Selke.

I understand that you can be a solid two-way player, scoring goals and playing good defense at the same time. But when you make nearly 100 points a season, you can't be considered a defensive player IMO.

Anyway, maybe I'm Devils-biased, but I think Mad Dog deserves it and unlike those guys, he IS a defensive attacker. Hell, both Datsyuk and Zetterberg scored more than twice as many points as Madden.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:03 PM

Zetterberg may have the clear cut but the injury may prevent him to do so. Therefore, I think Datsyuk will take it home since he gets more points than Madden.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:04 PM

That's ridiculous. Datsyuk is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, same with Zetterberg.


Of course they are.

While Madden gets to play against the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Jagr, and other teams best players, Datsyuk and Zetterberg, get to play against Manny Malhotra, Jay McClemment, Kevyn Adams and other teams "shut down" players.

Yes, that is a fair comparison to show off their defense.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:18 PM

Madden's a beast. This is the 4th time he's been nominated for the Selke in the past 7 seasons. Will someone please put the damn 'C on this guys jersey already. Congrats Mad Dog! :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 01:12 PM

I am sure that Detroits defensive forwards Maltby and Kris Draper, the Red Wings version of Pando/Madden are very happy that their defensive efforts were recognized by the nomination committee.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 02:14 PM

Several comments here are very ignorant based on the simple fact that you do not watch enough west coast games. How many teams have two first line forwards who play over 20 minutes each night and excel at both, offensive and defensive abilities? Only 1 - Detroit. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are phenomenal shut down players who excel at both ends of the ice. They play on the 1st PK unit, on the 1st PP unit, in the first minute of the game, the last minute, or on 5-on-3 units when the team is up 2 men or down 2 men. All of this while putting up 90+ points. It didn't hurt Sergei Fedorov or Steve Yzerman in winning the Selke while putting up offensive numbers. There's a serious lack of recognition for these two guys out east because you're not watching them enough. They always go up against the first line of their opposition -- this includes guys like Thornton and Iginla and Nash, guys who are bigger than them, more physical than them. The east has Sidney Crosby but the west is no pauper. The west is more physical, more defensive, a tighter played conference and has several superstars of its own. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are going up against the opposition's first line, not Manny Malhotra or Steve Ott. Not to take anything away from John Madden or Jere Lehtinen -- they are excellent players. The Selke awards excellence in defense; if someone has offense to go along with it, it's a coach's dream, not a detterent.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 03:27 PM

It didn't hurt Sergei Fedorov or Steve Yzerman in winning the Selke while putting up offensive numbers.


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Posted 25 April 2008 - 03:54 PM

Up against Zetterburg and Datsyuk, so we shall see:

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Madden going up against 2-Red Wings. :angry: What a joke that is. I would love to see Madden win his second Selke but just have a feeling because he is a Devil it will go to either Zetterberg or Datsyuk because it is Detroit. I say Datsyuk wins it over Madden although I hope Madden wins. :pray:
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 03:57 PM

Several comments here are very ignorant based on the simple fact that you do not watch enough west coast games. How many teams have two first line forwards who play over 20 minutes each night and excel at both, offensive and defensive abilities? Only 1 - Detroit. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are phenomenal shut down players who excel at both ends of the ice. They play on the 1st PK unit, on the 1st PP unit, in the first minute of the game, the last minute, or on 5-on-3 units when the team is up 2 men or down 2 men. All of this while putting up 90+ points. It didn't hurt Sergei Fedorov or Steve Yzerman in winning the Selke while putting up offensive numbers. There's a serious lack of recognition for these two guys out east because you're not watching them enough. They always go up against the first line of their opposition -- this includes guys like Thornton and Iginla and Nash, guys who are bigger than them, more physical than them. The east has Sidney Crosby but the west is no pauper. The west is more physical, more defensive, a tighter played conference and has several superstars of its own. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are going up against the opposition's first line, not Manny Malhotra or Steve Ott. Not to take anything away from John Madden or Jere Lehtinen -- they are excellent players. The Selke awards excellence in defense; if someone has offense to go along with it, it's a coach's dream, not a detterent.



Nice theory, but its Draper and Malty that called on to shut down Thornton, Iginla, etc.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 06:06 PM

Nice theory, but its Draper and Malty that called on to shut down Thornton, Iginla, etc.

Actually, had you done a little research, you would know that Maltby for the past 2 seasons has become a 4th line 10-12 minutes a game player. Draper is still pivotal for face-offs and penalty killing but neither guy plays the same role he did 5 years ago.

The Wings tend to maintain the same lines against most opponents:
Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom
Franzen-Filppula-Samuelsson
Hudler-Draper-Cleary
The fourth shuffles.

I suggest you try out the NHL.com Stats page. It's very nice in supporting a dialogue. I'll help you out in this one: Draper and Cleary led the Red Wings in SH TOI this season playing 2:43 and 2:21 minutes per game. Zetterberg played 2:09 minutes per game SH and Datsyuk 1:47. In reverse, TOI for PP per game was 4:35 for Zetterberg, 4:33 for Datsyuk, 2:39 for Cleary and 14 seconds for Draper. Total TOI per game was 22:04 for Zetterberg, 21:23 for Datsyuk, 17:23 for Dan Cleary and 15:37 for Kris Draper.

The Red Wings have the luxury of spreading time around when it comes to special teams because they carry more depth. But if Draper plays 15 minutes a game and Maltby 12, how can they be against Iginla and Thornton who play over 20 minutes? Hhmm. The number of goals a team gives up factors into this -- the Red Wings won the Jennings this season, so their defense and forwards did a good job holding leads as well as scoring goals.

Just for you, here are John Madden's stats: 19:26 total TOI per game, of which 3:35 is SH, 0:52 is PP.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 08:51 PM

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