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[devilsfan26]

I don't know, I just don't see a reason to make someone do more work than he has to. If everyone was throwing garbage out and the guy's job was in jeopardy, then maybe that would be different, but I doubt that is the case.

[DevilNurn]

I don't know, I just don't see a reason to make someone do more work than he has to. If everyone was throwing garbage out and the guy's job was in jeopardy, then maybe that would be different, but I doubt that is the case.

The difference here is just between the two schools of thought--the one that thinks that the garbage cleaning is the work he has to, and those who, like yourself, think that it is more than he has to do. And this argument is clearly not going to be solved.

So...

[sammyk]

I don't know, I just don't see a reason to make someone do more work than he has to. If everyone was throwing garbage out and the guy's job was in jeopardy, then maybe that would be different, but I doubt that is the case.

Say what? You said:

Nobody is arguing whether or not it is part of the job

So you already agree that it IS part of his job. So how can you say he's doing more work than he has to?

If all 18 guys (based on 1 per 4 sections) were getting done early then obviously management is going to think there is not enough work for them and either find more work for them or adjust the workforce. So either this guy is going to have to do more work or he's gonna get laid off. Which do you think will happen? I'd say the latter.

This kinda reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George gives the security guard a chair to be a nice guy and the guard falls asleep as the store gets robbed.

[RowdyFan42]

If all 18 guys (based on 1 per 4 sections) were getting done early then obviously management is going to think there is not enough work for them and either find more work for them or adjust the workforce. So either this guy is going to have to do more work or he's gonna get laid off. Which do you think will happen? I'd say the latter.

And there Sammy goes again, acting like his unwillingness to clean up after himself is actually saving some poor schmuck's job. Un-friggin'-believable. Again, it's a crying shame that some people are so defensive about living like pigs that they make up these convoluted excuses as to why their laziness and tolerance of filth is somehow a good thing.

[sammyk]

Whatever Rowdy, you're way off base. It's not a matter of laziness, I clean up after myself quite well thank you.

I just don't see why I should do SOMEONE ELSES JOB. What is so hard to understand about that?

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You know, I'm gonna bring that restaurant analogy back but a little different. When you enter a restaurant, do you pick up the menus and silverware as you go in or do you let the hostess/waitress do it? When you are done ordering, do you put the menus back near the entrance instead of letting the waitress do it? If the soda fountain is outside the kitchen, do you get your own drinks? When you leave, do you wipe off the table or do you let the busboy do it? How about the bill? These are all things you can do which are not in restricted areas, but do you do them? If not, why not?

[annabelle]

It's settled..next game im going to im gonna leave garbage..just because

[CMONPETEYD]

Women sitting next to you wearing low cut shirts........

EDIT: OH THINGS I CAN'T STAND

Edited by CMONBRENT, 20 July 2008 - 05:42 PM.

[Neutral Zone Trap]

Sammy, I think the restaurant scenario is a bad analogy.

Yes we all leave our plates and cups and cutlery on the table, but there are two ways to do it.

My wife and I stack our plates and put the cutlery on the top plate in a tidy pile. If there are more of us and there are leftovers, we scrape the leftovers off all the plates onto one, then put the other plates in a stack with the cutlery on top, and we put the cups all together near the plates.

I've seen people leave with food and crap on the floor and the table, knives and forks on the table and on the floor with cups and napkins on the floor and the table.
I think that is slobby and trashy.

Out of the above examples, who do you think the busboy will like better ? of course it's the first one.
All I do is a little consideration for others, I'm still leaving my plates on the table, but they are neat and tidy.

As far as taking your trash with you to the garbage can in an arena, that's a good thing, because it's not like the cleaners will have nothing to do, because they'll still have to empty the trash cans
and I'm pretty sure the cleaners would sooner have all the trash piled up around the trash cans as opposed to strewn all over the arena.
I do agree with you that leaving your tray and cups neatly under your seat after the game is nice, as opposed to some slobs who leave spilled cups and popcorn etc all over the floor where it'll get walked in the carpet.

[brodeurrocks]

Haha..you ba$tard! Thanks to you I only accumulated about 40....You can drop them off tonight..146.5 Higgins.. Look for me, I'll be the one that looks like a tranny hooker!

Hmmm...I think maybe we have met before.....

[sammyk]

Sammy, I think the restaurant scenario is a bad analogy.

Yes we all leave our plates and cups and cutlery on the table, but there are two ways to do it.

My wife and I stack our plates and put the cutlery on the top plate in a tidy pile. If there are more of us and there are leftovers, we scrape the leftovers off all the plates onto one, then put the other plates in a stack with the cutlery on top, and we put the cups all together near the plates.

I've seen people leave with food and crap on the floor and the table, knives and forks on the table and on the floor with cups and napkins on the floor and the table.
I think that is slobby and trashy.

Out of the above examples, who do you think the busboy will like better ? of course it's the first one.
All I do is a little consideration for others, I'm still leaving my plates on the table, but they are neat and tidy.

As far as taking your trash with you to the garbage can in an arena, that's a good thing, because it's not like the cleaners will have nothing to do, because they'll still have to empty the trash cans
and I'm pretty sure the cleaners would sooner have all the trash piled up around the trash cans as opposed to strewn all over the arena.
I do agree with you that leaving your tray and cups neatly under your seat after the game is nice, as opposed to some slobs who leave spilled cups and popcorn etc all over the floor where it'll get walked in the carpet.

NZT, I did change my analogy about taking the plates in since they may be in restricted area. To be honest, I do do what you described, consolidate the plates or hand them to the waitress when I'm done so she doesn't have to pick them up. I am, however, a generous tipper, so not like I leave a mess and a small tip. I make it worth their while.

The thing is, the guy picking up the garbage in the arena is going to make his way row by row anyway looking for anything, even lost and found items as one said. The guy will be armed with a trash bag so it's not like he has to go out of his way to pick up that trash. Is tossing it out yourself a good gesture? Sure, but that guy will still has to travel that path, it doesn't give him a longer coffee break or lets him go home early.

Leaving your tray behind has NOTHING to do with laziness or "tolerance of filth" as some call it. In the end, the man is just doing his job. You want to do his job for him? Go right ahead, never said anything is wrong with that, but if I want to let him do his job then don't call me lazy, it has nothing to do with it.

[DaneykoIsGod]

I still can't believe we are still arguing about garbage.

+1

[annabelle]

Hmmm...I think maybe we have met before.....

Yeah weren't you the one in the jetta?!!!!

[section 110]

there isn't even this much talk about garbage at mob meetings. (so I've heard )

Edited by section 110, 20 July 2008 - 09:26 PM.

[point]

I still can't believe we are still arguing about garbage.

I find it difficult to believe that members think I am fat because I am only 5'10" and complain about leg room. Is this a non sequitur, or what ?

[Martyisth3b3st]

God... this thread is so garbagy.

Ok, never mind.

[gionta182]

I'm glad there are at least a few other people here who agree that it'd be nice if Devils fans were more vocal. Perhaps there should be a few sections marked "quiet study area" for patrons who dislike noise.

I actually hate being scolded that I should be wearing red at home games....

1. all my cooler jerseys are WHITE ones
2. I picked all the players I like more on white ones because WHITE SHOULD BE WORN BY THE HOME TEAM
3. I am protesting the "make it easier to wear third jersey dogma the league shoves down our throat
4. I saw them win a Stanley Cup in 2003 wearing that damn Madden white jersey (I might have worn it at home in 2000 also... but I drank so much that night damned if I remember ) if it was good enough then it is CERTAINLY good enough NOW!!!

Yes I hate being told how I should support a team I pour BUCKETS of money into!!

So in other words ya want to Wear your White instead of Rock your Red, and wish the Devils would do the same? I do agree that the home team should be in white.

[DaneykoIsGod]

I'm glad there are at least a few other people here who agree that it'd be nice if Devils fans were more vocal. Perhaps there should be a few sections marked "quiet study area" for patrons who dislike noise.

I think some of the disagreement on the subject could be alleviated by the Flyers-esque "Family Sections" proposed in DevilinLA's letter to team management. Parents who don't want their kids hearing certain "sucks" and "swallows" chants can seperate the ears of their children from the voices of the drunkards. It can also provide a quiet haven for those who wish to sit on their hands and not offend the chilluns around them.

This way the loud fans won't have so many of the chant-killing quiet people around them, and maybe some consistent noise can be made at the arena. Meanwhile the quiet fans are in an environment where they aren't sitting next to someone rattling their eardrums. Everybody wins.

[Neutral Zone Trap]

NZT, I did change my analogy about taking the plates in since they may be in restricted area. To be honest, I do do what you described, consolidate the plates or hand them to the waitress when I'm done so she doesn't have to pick them up. I am, however, a generous tipper, so not like I leave a mess and a small tip. I make it worth their while.

The thing is, the guy picking up the garbage in the arena is going to make his way row by row anyway looking for anything, even lost and found items as one said. The guy will be armed with a trash bag so it's not like he has to go out of his way to pick up that trash. Is tossing it out yourself a good gesture? Sure, but that guy will still has to travel that path, it doesn't give him a longer coffee break or lets him go home early.

Leaving your tray behind has NOTHING to do with laziness or "tolerance of filth" as some call it. In the end, the man is just doing his job. You want to do his job for him? Go right ahead, never said anything is wrong with that, but if I want to let him do his job then don't call me lazy, it has nothing to do with it.

All is good

there isn't even this much talk about garbage at coward meetings. (so I've heard )

Fixed.

[devilsfan26]

Whatever Rowdy, you're way off base. It's not a matter of laziness, I clean up after myself quite well thank you.

I just don't see why I should do SOMEONE ELSES JOB. What is so hard to understand about that?

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You know, I'm gonna bring that restaurant analogy back but a little different. When you enter a restaurant, do you pick up the menus and silverware as you go in or do you let the hostess/waitress do it? When you are done ordering, do you put the menus back near the entrance instead of letting the waitress do it? If the soda fountain is outside the kitchen, do you get your own drinks? When you leave, do you wipe off the table or do you let the busboy do it? How about the bill? These are all things you can do which are not in restricted areas, but do you do them? If not, why not?

Once again all of those things involve going out of your way whereas taking your garbage with you on the way out does not.

NZT, I did change my analogy about taking the plates in since they may be in restricted area. To be honest, I do do what you described, consolidate the plates or hand them to the waitress when I'm done so she doesn't have to pick them up. I am, however, a generous tipper, so not like I leave a mess and a small tip. I make it worth their while.

The thing is, the guy picking up the garbage in the arena is going to make his way row by row anyway looking for anything, even lost and found items as one said. The guy will be armed with a trash bag so it's not like he has to go out of his way to pick up that trash. Is tossing it out yourself a good gesture? Sure, but that guy will still has to travel that path, it doesn't give him a longer coffee break or lets him go home early.

Leaving your tray behind has NOTHING to do with laziness or "tolerance of filth" as some call it. In the end, the man is just doing his job. You want to do his job for him? Go right ahead, never said anything is wrong with that, but if I want to let him do his job then don't call me lazy, it has nothing to do with it.

If it's not laziness then what is it? I doubt you seriously leave your garbage behind to prevent someone from getting laid off.

[sammyk]

Once again all of those things involve going out of your way whereas taking your garbage with you on the way out does not.


If it's not laziness then what is it? I doubt you seriously leave your garbage behind to prevent someone from getting laid off.

I ask again then, you only throw out your tray because it's convenient? If the trash cans were not in your path to the exit you wouldn't do it? Now who's lazy? Oh and menus and silverware are on the way in to the restaurant, not out of the way. The other things, maybe.

No, I don't not do it to save someones job. Just because I leave something behind for someone else to pick up (whose job it is to do so) doesn't make me lazy. If i didn't throw my trash out at a McDonald's then yah, you can call me lazy.