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Posted 24 July 2008 - 10:42 AM

Lou isn't doing anything, its Єklund (2.3% accurate) (2.3% accurate). Dont get hopes up.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 10:45 AM

new jersey just can't be a part of these discussions. not now and probably not for a long time - with all the older players they signed, they are going to need to keep all their younger players around to replace them.

zajac corrente and a 1st would have to be where the discussion started - and then gionta would be moved somewhere for something like a 2nd. that's too much, what with madden and holik both UFA at the end of the year.

i don't really think the bruins or leafs have what it takes to land bouwmeester either.


well, if the Bruins and Leafs don't have what it takes, and Bouwmeester has asked for a trade, wouldn't that take some leverage away from Florida? They can't be as picky anymore.

It may take Corrente, a 1st and a 4th. Or at worst Corrente, a 1st and a 2nd. And then of course Gionta can be used to get that 2nd back.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 10:46 AM

"star" is very subjective. And it depends on the market what you get back.


Florida has all the leverage here. Bouwmeester can either go to arbitration (not sure if he is or not), hold out, or try to sign an offer sheet with another team, entitling the panthers to a ton of draft picks.

Now they might think that a package of younger players is better for them - and that might be true. But New Jersey really doesn't have that to offer. Again, while Vrana is listed on HF as a center, I don't think he stays there, and that's really it. They drafted a bunch of centers this year who won't be NHL ready for 3 years at least.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 10:53 AM

Florida has all the leverage here. Bouwmeester can either go to arbitration (not sure if he is or not), hold out, or try to sign an offer sheet with another team, entitling the panthers to a ton of draft picks.

Now they might think that a package of younger players is better for them - and that might be true. But New Jersey really doesn't have that to offer. Again, while Vrana is listed on HF as a center, I don't think he stays there, and that's really it. They drafted a bunch of centers this year who won't be NHL ready for 3 years at least.



Exactly, circumstances favor Florida in this instance, but many times GM's just want to or have to get rid of players as a salary cap dump.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 11:13 AM

well, if the Bruins and Leafs don't have what it takes, and Bouwmeester has asked for a trade, wouldn't that take some leverage away from Florida? They can't be as picky anymore.

It may take Corrente, a 1st and a 4th. Or at worst Corrente, a 1st and a 2nd. And then of course Gionta can be used to get that 2nd back.


That's assuming that they're the only teams in the discussion, which is patently absurd. There's 20 teams that would be interested in Bouwmeester at that price. Boston can fob off David Krejci and Milan Lucic and get Bouwmeester if that's what it takes.

Manta, the team just got rid of Olli Jokinen. They have to be close to the salary floor.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 11:19 AM

What do the Leafs have left to give?

Nothing, that is why there is no chance they will get him.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 11:29 AM

Florida has all the leverage here. Bouwmeester can either go to arbitration (not sure if he is or not), hold out, or try to sign an offer sheet with another team, entitling the panthers to a ton of draft picks.

I would say Florida only has the "leverage", simply because it is their player whose rights they own; but I wouldn't say Florida has all the "leveraging" power.

The reason trade rumors are popping up is due to the possible arbitration. Sure, Florida has no obligation to trade him before arbitration, and then can hold on to him during the season too (if say he gets awarded a 1-yr deal).

But in-season trades are rare, and most teams are entirely willing to wait and wait once the season has begun to see how their team performs (instead of taking on added cap weight), which is why most wait until the trade deadline (less cap hit, less money to pay) before trading for players.

That is why I feel Florida may field offers now, prior to the season, prior to arbitration, to make certain they get a decent return on their player - but by no means do I consider that 'all the leverage' since their leverage is only as good as teams are willing to make good offers. If 20 teams aren't willing to give up a 1st rounder or a top line player, Florida will have to settle for something less.

As always, teams consider the offers and decide what's best for their organization. It really wouldn't surprise me to see JBO go for a package like the one's I've suggested. It wouldn't surprise me to see him go for a better package either, but I don't think it's as cut and dry as Florida being able to get an amazing return on a guy who may well go to arbitration (thus, other teams risking not being able to resign him either).
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 11:46 AM

how are you going to move gionta for a center? you're either going to get an expiring contract (of which there aren't many), or a young player with 3rd line potential. you can get better than that at the deadline but you're not going to both improve the team and get rid of gionta at that point.

the problem is that you have to pay bouwmeester close to what he's worth on the market anyway AND ship a bunch of players there who are low-cost, filling them in with unsavory alternatives. it's worth noting that lou lams has rarely made a trade of this scope without dealing away players he thought were expendable due to his minor league depth. by dealing zajac and say, corrente, you really gut the minor league system AGAIN for 2 years, and the devils' system totally lacks centers who are anywhere near the NHL.


Worst comes to worst, Elias, Rolston, Madden, and Holik (or even FEDOROV???) can play center. If you look to move Gionta you can find someone like Robert Lang, Todd White, or maybe even Jochen Hecht if Buffalo wants some cap flexibility (signed until 2012 cap hit of 3.525). I'm just throwing names out there but basically Zajac is replaceable and the team becomes much more dangerous with Bouwmeester in there. The farm system has been depleted for quite a while, Bouwmeester would be more valuable to our future than Zajac/Correntte/ and a First ever would be.

At the very least I'd be talking to his agent with a nice offer sheet (~7 mill for 7 years)

edit: or maybe you even sell gionta at the deadline for prospects on other teams you like, and just go into the playoffs with Elias,Rolston, Madden, and Holik up the middle.

Edited by halfsharkalligatorhalfman, 24 July 2008 - 11:47 AM.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 11:58 AM

any chance we can add multi-quote on the next board update, DM? it's a great feature.

Anyway, bekim, in response to your post - Bouwmeester is UFA at the end of this year, I believe, if he re-ups for only one more season. However, whatever team signs him is going to know they can get him to re-up for a long-term deal - it's the only thing that makes sense. They're going to have ot be able to check with Bouwmeester's people before they make a deal, otherwise it's foolishness.

Worst comes to worst, Elias, Rolston, Madden, and Holik (or even FEDOROV???) can play center. If you look to move Gionta you can find someone like Robert Lang, Todd White, or maybe even Jochen Hecht if Buffalo wants some cap flexibility (signed until 2012 cap hit of 3.525). I'm just throwing names out there but basically Zajac is replaceable and the team becomes much more dangerous with Bouwmeester in there. The farm system has been depleted for quite a while, Bouwmeester would be more valuable to our future than Zajac/Correntte/ and a First ever would be.

At the very least I'd be talking to his agent with a nice offer sheet (~7 mill for 7 years)

edit: or maybe you even sell gionta at the deadline for prospects on other teams you like, and just go into the playoffs with Elias,Rolston, Madden, and Holik up the middle.


I am not talking about this year. After this year, Holik and Madden are UFA, and both are old. You've got literally nothing in the system with which to replace them except Rod Pelley. The team as a whole is rather old, and there's a lot of contracts that don't expire for a long time. You throw out Zajac and Corrente and a 1st, and you are throwing out the team's future - you've got Rolston, White and Salvador's contracts all expiring in the same year, then Elias and Zubrus's the year after. That's a lot of sub-optimal performance you'll be getting out of all of them - you desperately need younger players to fill those gaps. Zajac nor Corrente won't be a cheap salary at that point, true, but he will still be an RFA, which is cheap enough - there's no upcoming players to fill the void of an Elias. Bouwmeester just adds yet another enormous salary to a team that's committed a lot of dollars down the road, leaving it almost no flexibility when it comes to locking up Parise and/or Martin long term - one of them would be sacrificed, and then you've got no players in the system with which to replace them. The Devils' system as it is appears to be generating a lot of depth-ish players - great for a team that has a lot of dollars committed to top end talents - you'd be ripping away the top layer of that with no backup plan in place. While I think Bouwmeester would make New Jersey the favorite in the East for the Stanley Cup this season, it would seriously hurt the team down the road.

edit - also i think you're all ignoring the fact that the devils are right up against the cap now and would have to drop gionta and vishnevski right away if they got bouwmeester.

Edited by Triumph, 24 July 2008 - 12:05 PM.

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 12:08 PM

any chance we can add multi-quote on the next board update, DM? it's a great feature.

Anyway, bekim, in response to your post - Bouwmeester is UFA at the end of this year, I believe, if he re-ups for only one more season. However, whatever team signs him is going to know they can get him to re-up for a long-term deal - it's the only thing that makes sense. They're going to have ot be able to check with Bouwmeester's people before they make a deal, otherwise it's foolishness.

The foolishness of GMs doesn't seem to concern itself at the trade deadline, when picks and prospects are given for players who often end up not re-signing (Campbell, Hossa, etc.)... it wouldn't surprise me any more at this time of year then it would at the deadline. All the same, Lou Lams is not likely one of those GMs who will make an uncertain deal unless he's certain it will really put us over the top, so in his case, I do think he'd try to get pre-knowledge, but that still doesn't mean Florida has all the chips, as it were. New Jersey, on the other hand, has a good team, will most always make the playoffs, and can afford to do nothing more going into this season if they like (and probably will do). So, it all depends on Florida's desperation. If they're worried enough, desperate enough, that they won't be able to resign JBO, or worried that a trade deadline deal wouldn't be as lucrative as a pre-season trade, they'll ship him off now.

Of course, also likely he could just re-sign long term with the Panthers, but I don't know how much he likes it there or thinks he can win anything on that team. I know that I'd want out. On the bright side, if JBO came to Jersey, this board could have a whole additional conversation about jersey numbers.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 12:42 PM

as much as i would love to get JBO, i really don't want to part with corrente. i have a feeling we're going to like this kid.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 01:00 PM

any chance we can add multi-quote on the next board update, DM? it's a great feature.



The best way to do it is to hit quote, Add reply and immediately do it for each quote in under 60 seconds... they will all appear in the same post... you can then edit that post and write in your comments for each quote.

After 60 seconds you will get all new posts for each quote.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 01:41 PM

Florida is going to look for Parise +, Paul Martin +, or all our good young farm players.

Petr Vrana, Nicklas Bergfors, Travis Zajac, Johnny Oduya, Matt Corrente, Brian Gionta and Alexander Vasyunov are the players NJ is no doubt offering in some sort of package.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 02:18 PM

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Agreed! Get it done Lou!
Devils do have some players here that can be traded for Bouwmeester. I just have a feeling the Devils will get him. :pray:
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 02:58 PM

I wonder if this will ever happen.. or if any team evens trades for him.. cant ever trust Ek he always has BS on his site.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:08 PM

I just dont see it happening. We may not like what we have to give up.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 06:11 PM

The best way to do it is to hit quote, Add reply and immediately do it for each quote in under 60 seconds... they will all appear in the same post... you can then edit that post and write in your comments for each quote.

After 60 seconds you will get all new posts for each quote.



AH. I was wondering about that. Must increase my typing speed.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 07:40 PM

I just dont see it happening. We may not like what we have to give up.


I don't see it happening either. I think the roster we have now will be our opening day roster.
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Posted 24 July 2008 - 08:08 PM

Agreed! Get it done Lou!
Devils do have some players here that can be traded for Bouwmeester. I just have a feeling the Devils will get him. :pray:

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Posted 24 July 2008 - 09:05 PM

Asking price for Bouwmeester is Parise straight up or some package like Zajac + Gionta + Corrente + 1st.

Some of the proposals in this thread are laughable.
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