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[Chorske17]

I see other problems than Langenbrunner not scoring. That line of Langenbrunner, Parise and Zajac works. I have lost faith in Gionta and Zubrus. Especially Zubrus who is inconsistent even in his inconsistencies. I am not trying to offend anyone who likes either player, but in the case of Zubrus, sometimes players come to teams and never really fit in. He did well in Buffalo and Washington and I think both teams could use him back.

Just because someone is captain doesn't mean that they have to score, have high points, or even talk a lot. Yzerman and Stevens didn't really say a lot. As for the locker room, I'm not sure. I do bet that he speaks up, but there are other leaders like Brodeur, Madden, Holik, and White who probably give input.

Rumors still surround the fact that Shanahan may be coming to the Devils. Of course there are about four other teams that also reportedly interested not limited to the Penguins, Flyers, and Blackhawks. Sadly I think the Devils are second-to-last on the list, but you never know. I know there is a friendship between Brodeur and Shanahan, but he might choose the Penguins as his best bet to win a cup (which I see, but pray won't happen).

[Confusious]

At this point we should just like trade the whole team.


Except for Parise of course but I fear we are going to lose him when he become a Free Agent anyway...

We signed him long term for peanut money. Why would he leave when he becomes a free agent? If Lou gives Elias money to stay, he's going to pay what Parise wants too......

[SatansDevils]

Trade captain Langenbrunner to Nashville for captain Jason Arnott.
That way maybe that will light a spark under Elias' ass.

Yeah, only in our dreams of getting that trade.

Langenbrunner has to come around along with some of these other veteran players like ELIAS, GIONTA, ZUBRUS, Madden and Pandolfo. None of these guys are doing sh!t on the offensive side. Not yet ready to give up on Langenbrunner. He can't get any worse can he?

[XParise9X]

Push him off a cliff and then report him missing.

I vote this 1!!
Though lets not report him missing for a few days,

I use to like him and supported him early this season with the first few mistakes and told everyone "they happen" but they shouldn't happen 90 times!! I counted tonight. I was at the game trying not to kill the fat gross rangers girl infront of me, so I counted how many bad passes he made/how many he missed and I was at 9 when I left. I only started counting in the 2nd..... Its a little pathetic.

I voted we should trade him. Benching him/taking his c away etc isn't going to make him stop taking stupid penalties or missing passes. He has been playing lately like he is some sort of rookie. I understand the devils situation is stressful (so bad PARISE took a penalty tonight and was kind of the cause of the first fight) but Langenbrunner is doing nothing to help and many things to hurt them. Ok. he scored. If he hadn't messed up on the 9 passes tonight someone else may have had a chance to also! All I know is Sutter may be in love with him but atleast bench him to show him it isn't ok to play like a retard.


As for Parise, when his contract is up hes an RFA. We'll pay him enough when the time comes. Probably give him the C by then too if he keeps playing this way. Plus this is a few bad games, it's still early in the season, I think we'll have to do alot worse then this to fully scare him away lol, plus next year we face losing alot of players to ufa. Hopefully Gionta will go thatll clear up 4mil cap space etc

Edited by XParise9X, 13 November 2008 - 12:45 AM.

[Devs4LIFE]

I think Langenbrunner should be on a line with Madden and Pando, Rolston should play with Zajac and Parise.

[westcoastdevfan]

EF Langenbrunner! Stevens was the face of this team, (besides Marty) Stevens made us formidable and respectable. Langenbrunners play is a joke. This team was the bench mark for discipline amongst the NHL. Langenbrunner can't keep his a$$ out of the damn box long enough to do anything except cough the puck up and take more bad penalties at the wrong time. If wanting the captain of this team to fill half of Stevens shoes is wrong then let me be wrong over and over again. Right now they are playing like the guy with the "C" on his chest, like crap!

Rip that "C" from his chest so fast his head spins..

[NJDevs4978]

As bad as Jamie's been this year, the problem is Sutter and his ridiculous favoritism. God forbid Elias (or anyone else really) had committed a similar string of costly late-game penalties

Option one might be pointless, doesn't he have a no-trade or partial no-trade? Plus I'm not sure what you could really get for him considering his stats have declined the last couple years. Option three, as bad as Jamie's been I don't like taking away a guy's C and making it disposable unless there's some real transition a la Morrow and Modano in Dallas (and that might come with Zach soon). Option four is foolish to assume considering he's older, slower and more banged up.

Option two is probably unrealistic with this staff although it would be nice to see Sutter every once in a while actually challenge the captain the way he does everyone else on the roster. That'd probably be the one I'd pick, plus reduce his icetime in general. Thankfully when Rolston comes back we probably won't have to deal with Jamie being a statue on the point who can't even get off his slapshot.

Edited by Hasan4978, 13 November 2008 - 01:21 AM.

[DevilinLA]

EF Langenbrunner! Stevens was the face of this team, (besides Marty) Stevens made us formidable and respectable. Langenbrunners play is a joke. This team was the bench mark for discipline amongst the NHL. Langenbrunner can't keep his a$$ out of the damn box long enough to do anything except cough the puck up and take more bad penalties at the wrong time. If wanting the captain of this team to fill half of Stevens shoes is wrong then let me be wrong over and over again. Right now they are playing like the guy with the "C" on his chest, like crap!

Rip that "C" from his chest so fast his head spins..

Congrats....Your wrong.
First off, I'm not saying that he hasn't performed poorly....but....

How can you compare a HOF Franchise Defenseman with an over-achieving lunchpail grinder????

Tell me, what would tearing the "C" off his jersey say about:
a.) The NJD Organization
b.) Lou/Sutter's judgement
c.) Our faith as a loyal, honorable franchise that takes pride in itself.

Who do you feel sets an example and has the experience that would want to inherit it (please don't say Parise)?

OR do we become the model of the Tampa Bay Lightning: gunning for every flash-name player, handing our Captaincy to a player who is incredibly talented but has no idea or interest in leadership, hiring a coach whose name conjures fond memories from the past but is sadly irrelevant in the new NHL.

All so that a few sitting at their keyboards, who have known little of struggle and losing, can be appeased?

No thanks.

Edited by DevilinLA, 13 November 2008 - 02:25 AM.

[maxpower]

Congrats....Your wrong.
First off, I'm not saying that he hasn't performed poorly....but....

How can you compare a HOF Franchise Defenseman with an over-achieving lunchpail grinder????

Tell me, what would tearing the "C" off his jersey say about:
a.) The NJD Organization
b.) Lou/Sutter's judgement
c.) Our faith as a loyal, honorable franchise that takes pride in itself.

Who do you feel sets an example and has the experience that would want to inherit it (please don't say Parise)?

OR do we become the model of the Tampa Bay Lightning: gunning for every flash-name player, handing our Captaincy to a player who is incredibly talented but has no idea or interest in leadership, hiring a coach whose name conjures fond memories from the past but is sadly irrelevant in the new NHL.

All so that a few sitting at their keyboards, who have known little of struggle and losing, can be appeased?

No thanks.

How about we stop appointing C's? Because it's worked so great. What's done is done, since I don't think he's losing it, especially since Sutter loves him. But, it's a farce. No more. Let it be earned and not handed out by a coach who hadn't been in the room before, to a player who wasn't really even in the room for the first two months (counting preseason) of last season.

I guess it comes down to your opinion of what the C means. If it's some kind of mythical figure, he's a joke Captain. If you're just slapping a C on someone for the sake of slapping a C on someone, who cares who's wearing it? If it has no meaning, hell, put it on Parise, because it's already a joke anyway. Might as well make it a joke in the Crosby fashion you pointed out.

Edited by maxpower, 13 November 2008 - 02:33 AM.

[Banzai Riley]

Langenbrunner has been frustrating this year but I think we need to realize he has just lost a step. This isn't the same guy as a couple of years ago. With all the injuries and other struggling players we are relying on him to do more than what he is capable. I think he is fine when he's not a top 6 guy.

This is it. It's that simple.

Let him keep the C, it doesn't matter. We'd get nothing if we traded him. If we started benching players there would be about 3 guys on the ice.

Pando - Madden - Langs
or
Rupp - Holik - Langs

These are the lines he should be on or at least some variation of these. In fact, if Zubrus gets thrown back on the fourth line when everybody is healthy while Jamie stays with ZZ, that will actually bother me more than this lose did. That's because this game was practically gift-wrapped by the refs for the Rags with two 5 on 3s. First they call a phantom penalty and then they actually see a real one and are forced to blow the whistle. It's idiotic and sickening.

To Chorske, I respectfully disagree. I think Parise/Zajac succeed because they are skilled, up and coming players and would continue to do well even if Rupp was their season-long linemate. Of course Zach is the real talent but Travis is no slouch... unfortunately I feel Langs is. And I believe Zubrus fits in very well here as he is one of the only players who can forecheck worth a damn. He's not a gifted goal scorer but he grinds and battles and wins the puck for others to put in. Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to do that.

[Triumph]

Langenbrunner rushed to White's defense at the end of the first period, and he jumped on half the Rangers after Parise got hit when the Devils scored their first goal. Even though he scored a goal tonight, I think he has to be stripped of his captaincy - I mean, we all know the C confers upon its wearer, like the sword of Excalibur, wondrous powers of scoring and defense and Jamie's not using them.

[Jdub]

Im not a huge langenbrunner supporter.... but he does serve his purpose as a 'C'...

I really dont think he belongs on a top 2 line...

as for Zubrus.. The devils were alot better when he was on the 4th line with Rupp/Holik..

Langenbrunner definately deserves to be with Madden/Pandolfo...

I also think it is nonsense that sutter benches bergfors... The kid is good, and needs a chance to play.. there is nothing he can do playing on a line with Rupp.

[peteyvegas]

He's not good enough to be captain.

[Halfwar]

Langenbrunner rushed to White's defense at the end of the first period, and he jumped on half the Rangers after Parise got hit when the Devils scored their first goal. Even though he scored a goal tonight, I think he has to be stripped of his captaincy - I mean, we all know the C confers upon its wearer, like the sword of Excalibur, wondrous powers of scoring and defense and Jamie's not using them.

[westcoastdevfan]

Congrats....Your wrong.
First off, I'm not saying that he hasn't performed poorly....but....

How can you compare a HOF Franchise Defenseman with an over-achieving lunchpail grinder????

Tell me, what would tearing the "C" off his jersey say about:
a.) The NJD Organization
b.) Lou/Sutter's judgement
c.) Our faith as a loyal, honorable franchise that takes pride in itself.

Who do you feel sets an example and has the experience that would want to inherit it (please don't say Parise)?

OR do we become the model of the Tampa Bay Lightning: gunning for every flash-name player, handing our Captaincy to a player who is incredibly talented but has no idea or interest in leadership, hiring a coach whose name conjures fond memories from the past but is sadly irrelevant in the new NHL.

All so that a few sitting at their keyboards, who have known little of struggle and losing, can be appeased?

No thanks.

I think you spend more time trying to argue with people then getting anybodies point. What I said what that the captain of this team should be the face of the franchise. The captain should be what the team embodies. Right now our captain can't skate, can't shoot, and takes horrible penalties. Is that what this team has become? He actually thinks jumping on peoples backs is good leadership? You can only go as far as your captain. This ship is sinking and Langenbrunner is helping it sink a little faster.

How do I compare a defenseman to a lunchpale grinder? it's not about the position, it's about the man. now enjoy the great shake out...

[jkrdevil]

Langenbrunner rushed to White's defense at the end of the first period, and he jumped on half the Rangers after Parise got hit when the Devils scored their first goal. Even though he scored a goal tonight, I think he has to be stripped of his captaincy - I mean, we all know the C confers upon its wearer, like the sword of Excalibur, wondrous powers of scoring and defense and Jamie's not using them.

My problem is not with the lack of point production (although that is frustrating). My problem with him and the "C" is the constant hooking penalties and the whining and not taking responsibilities for his mistakes. He has taken a hooking penalty in about every game this year and I don't think once he stood up and said he made a mistake and took a bad penalty. They are all bad calls by the ref. Being a stan-up person and taking that responsibility is a part of leadership and being a captain.

[Gunslinger27]

You have to earn that "C". Leadership is a big part of it. Lead by example. See Parise,
he will be the Capt pretty soon. I can see some changes coming soon.

[DaneykoIsGod]

My problem is not with the lack of point production (although that is frustrating). My problem with him and the "C" is the constant hooking penalties and the whining and not taking responsibilities for his mistakes. He has taken a hooking penalty in about every game this year and I don't think once he stood up and said he made a mistake and took a bad penalty. They are all bad calls by the ref. Being a stan-up person and taking that responsibility is a part of leadership and being a captain.

I agree with that, for the most part. I also am not as upset by the lack of production. It's his untimely penalties that irk me the most. He can't really be blamed for getting older and losing a step. It's more Sutter's fault for keeping him on the second line and on the PP unit than it is Jamie's fault for not being able to keep up. But as captain, you need to lead by example. Stick up for your teammates, but don't take stupid hooking penalties just as momentum is shifting your way. It seems to happen all the time with Langs this year.

At the same time, though, it seems like the C must weigh a million pounds when it's affixed to a Devils sweater. Elias was on absolute fire before he got the C, and he hasn't been the same ever since. The same can be said of Langs. Both saw their production drop off significantly. It's either further testament to how great Stevens was or just a sign that we haven't really had a player who was true captain material since #4 hung 'em up.

Bench Langs for a game. Make a powerful statement about being accountable. Ideally, he'd come back with something to prove and the rest of the team would take note.

[DevilinLA]

I think you spend more time trying to argue with people then getting anybodies point. What I said what that the captain of this team should be the face of the franchise. The captain should be what the team embodies. Right now our captain can't skate, can't shoot, and takes horrible penalties. Is that what this team has become? He actually thinks jumping on peoples backs is good leadership? You can only go as far as your captain. This ship is sinking and Langenbrunner is helping it sink a little faster.

How do I compare a defenseman to a lunchpale grinder? it's not about the position, it's about the man. now enjoy the great shake out...

I got your point, I just didn't agree with it!
It's called a debate .... not an arguement.

Your missed my point.
You are comparing a Hall-of-Fame Defenseman vs. a lunchpail grinder. Its about the level of talent each brings to the game. Langs will never be the player Stevens was. Additonally, I refuse to believe the revisionist history that the Devils never played poorly under the captaincy of St. Scotty Stevens.

Who knows how Stevens would have reacted w/o Marty and 1/3 of his lineup in the SECOND year of his captaincy???

All of us really have no idea what is going on in that loocker room...its probably like funeral home atmosphere right now.

Edited by DevilinLA, 13 November 2008 - 05:38 PM.

[empulse27]

When we get our guys back from injury...

Parise-Zajac-Rolston --> a line that can actually put the puck in the net and puts Rolston back where he belongs (coincidentally, line North America)
Elias-Zubrus-Vrana --> a line that could put the puck in the net and actually gives Vrana a chance (Euro Line)
Pandolfo-Madden-Gionta --> a line that will play decent defense and challenge Gionta to step his sh*t up
Clarkson-Holik-Langs --> a line that will piss opponents off

Go ahead and hate. I think this is fair.

Edited by empulse27, 13 November 2008 - 06:17 PM.