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#1041 PeteyNice

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 04:26 PM

I'd still like a decent OFer (Damon scares me) and another bullpen arm. With Wang hurt now another arm becomes vital.

Also, someone who can back up 2B capably so Cano can get some days off. He is just brutal right now.

Yankees winning in spite of their poor situational hitting this homestand which is nice to see.

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Posted 07 July 2009 - 04:50 PM

the one thing i noticed (via pitchFX) about joba that has changed quite a bit this year is how much his changeup has developed compared to 2007/2008 ..

changeup in 2007: horizontal movement: -1.5 , vertical movement: 1.8
changeup in 2008: horizontal movement: -3.0 , vertical movement: 1.2
changeup in 2009: horizontal movement: -8.8 , vertical movement: 4.9


and for peteynice's sake - this velocity chart which shows how much joba's velocity has dropped (on his fastball):

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(chart and data from fangraphs.com .. excellent site for pitchFX and other in depth data)

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 12:37 PM

Apparently, Toronto is taking offers for Halladay. Who's gonna bite though? I'd want the Yanks to get involved, but I fear what would have to be given up.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:07 PM

Apparently, Toronto is taking offers for Halladay. Who's gonna bite though? I'd want the Yanks to get involved, but I fear what would have to be given up.


I was listening to that on ESPN 1050 this morning, and it seems that most experts believe the conversation starts with two top-level prospects and, if it happens, will resemble the Johan Santana deal.

I doubt we have the pieces to do this. We definitely have the cash to PAY Hallady (he's probably going to look for 5-6 years in the neighborhood of $20mm per on a contract extension), but getting a hold of him might be a tricky proposition.

If the deal is going to get done this year, I think the Phillies are desperate enough to pay Toronto's price for him. MAYBE Los Angeles, but more than likely Philly.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:16 PM

If the Jays trade Halladay within the division....which would be one of the most crushing blows for me as a sports fan.(Halladay being traded anywhere)...some team better take Wells and his salary. That's the only way I see him being traded within the division.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:17 PM

I think Philly will end up with him.. I think Toronto would demand back talent that is already on LA's roster (ie: Kershaw) and the Dodgers wouldn't do that... the Dodgers are probably more likely to pick up a rental like Bedard.

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Posted 08 July 2009 - 01:43 PM

I'd love to get Halladay but I don't think it would make sense considering what they would have to give up. The Jays would want at least one of Hughes, Joba, Montero and then probably 2 of the likes of Jackson, McAllister, Romine, etc. It's too big of a gamble to mortgage parts of the future for a great pitcher that could start to decline and have health issues down the road (I'm assuming he gets an extension in a trade). I'd rather rely on keeping the kids and hoping CC and AJ can carry this staff down the stretch and in the post season.
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Posted 08 July 2009 - 03:12 PM

If Cashman wasn't willing to give up those pieces for a younger Santana, he won't for Halladay. The Yankees certainly have the prospects to get it done if they wanted to.

In other news, after losing the first 5 games of the season to the Yankees including a blowout last night, the Twins wised up. Glen Perkins, who the Yankees chased in the first inning earlier this year, has been scratched tonight. Instead the Twins are going with Yankee kryptonite, a pitcher they have never faced. Something called Anthony Swarzak gets the ball for Minnesota. Expect 7IP, 4 H 0ER.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:00 AM

Expect 7IP, 4 H 0ER.


4IP, 8 H, 4 ER

He was uncomfortable from "play ball".
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 09:30 AM

If Cashman wasn't willing to give up those pieces for a younger Santana, he won't for Halladay. The Yankees certainly have the prospects to get it done if they wanted to.


jeez, if the yankees got halladay they would be easily instant favorites to win the world series. plus, since they are such big spenders, they probably could pull off re-signing him after 2010. if i were part of the yankees brass i would heavily consider it.

but according to joel sherman, yankees officials told him they wont trade for him because of the salary and they dont wanna give up prospects.

i still have a bad feeling (bad from a mets fan standpoint) philly will get the deal done.. according to Jon Heyman, one of the pieces the Jays want is a SS, the Phillies have an MLB-ready SS in Jason Donald, as well as other pretty good pitching prospects like Carlos Carrasco, Kyle Drabek, Antonio Bastardo, Jason Knapp, and J.A. Happ.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 02:10 PM

jeez, if the yankees got halladay they would be easily instant favorites to win the world series. plus, since they are such big spenders, they probably could pull off re-signing him after 2010. if i were part of the yankees brass i would heavily consider it.

but according to joel sherman, yankees officials told him they wont trade for him because of the salary and they dont wanna give up prospects.

i still have a bad feeling (bad from a mets fan standpoint) philly will get the deal done.. according to Jon Heyman, one of the pieces the Jays want is a SS, the Phillies have an MLB-ready SS in Jason Donald, as well as other pretty good pitching prospects like Carlos Carrasco, Kyle Drabek, Antonio Bastardo, Jason Knapp, and J.A. Happ.


he was money for the blue claws when they won the SAL Championship.

anyway...i think the Dodgers will end up getting Halladay and become the favorites for the WS.

Anyway how did Aceeves pitch? I forgot the game was on.
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Posted 09 July 2009 - 03:16 PM

he was money for the blue claws when they won the SAL Championship.

anyway...i think the Dodgers will end up getting Halladay and become the favorites for the WS.


for some reason i cant see LA getting him though.. they have alot of young talent on their current MLB team like Troncoso, Kershaw, Broxton, Billingsley, Loney, Ethier, and Kemp.. Im unfamiliar with their farm system, so maybe they have some gems on the farm that could lead them to pulling it off without giving up any of the talent on their current roster.. but its hard for me to imagine why Ricciardi (Jays' GM) wouldn't want one of those guys listed (ie: Kershaw) with some other prospects in return for Halladay.

edit, heres a quote Baseball America had on the dodgers farm system (written in january):

With so many players reaching the majors or being traded, the Dodgers are thinner at the upper levels of the minors than they have been in recent years.


http://www.baseballa...009/267509.html - its at the bottom of that article.. it also says 6 of their top 10 prospects are from last year's draft; thats alot, and sort of points to the fact their farm system is weak.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:04 PM

Yankees now tied for first place! In other news Melancon is up.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 12:43 AM

for some reason i cant see LA getting him though.. they have alot of young talent on their current MLB team like Troncoso, Kershaw, Broxton, Billingsley, Loney, Ethier, and Kemp.. Im unfamiliar with their farm system, so maybe they have some gems on the farm that could lead them to pulling it off without giving up any of the talent on their current roster.. but its hard for me to imagine why Ricciardi (Jays' GM) wouldn't want one of those guys listed (ie: Kershaw) with some other prospects in return for Halladay.

edit, heres a quote Baseball America had on the dodgers farm system (written in january):



http://www.baseballa...009/267509.html - its at the bottom of that article.. it also says 6 of their top 10 prospects are from last year's draft; thats alot, and sort of points to the fact their farm system is weak.

something along the lines of
James McDonald, Chris Withrow, Ivan DeJesus Jr./Devaris Gordon and a middle of the road prospect should be enough to get it done. You think yeah im giving up some of my better prospects...but like the article says you have a thin minor league system which means your window of opportunity is open right now. And LA is a big market they can go out and add pieces through FA. Either way its going to be interesting. I would love to see a NLCS of LA-Philly.

And for the record i dont see Halladay ever coming to the Yankees or even Boston for that matter because of the size of the parks the teams play in. I remember last year after opening day when Melky hit a YS HR he cursed off the ballpark right after it got over the RF wall.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 07:06 AM

And for the record i dont see Halladay ever coming to the Yankees or even Boston for that matter because of the size of the parks the teams play in. I remember last year after opening day when Melky hit a YS HR he cursed off the ballpark right after it got over the RF wall.


Money talks. Theres very few teams that can afford him.
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Posted 10 July 2009 - 08:54 AM

something along the lines of
James McDonald, Chris Withrow, Ivan DeJesus Jr./Devaris Gordon and a middle of the road prospect should be enough to get it done. You think yeah im giving up some of my better prospects...but like the article says you have a thin minor league system which means your window of opportunity is open right now. And LA is a big market they can go out and add pieces through FA. Either way its going to be interesting. I would love to see a NLCS of LA-Philly.


I dont know the stats on any of those prospects but if they could get it done without giving up talent on their major league roster they could go for it, although it would really deplete their farm system. However I know the Jays could get a better package of prospects from a team like the Phillies, who have 3 prospects that were ranked in the top 25 by Baseball America (here - http://www.baseballa...spects/?p=5456) .. out of that list, the Dodgers have no prospects in the top 50 (while the Phillies have 4, with 3 of them in the top 25 as i said)

Its also worth noting they are going to eventually need rotation help in the future too, which is why they may want to hang onto some of their pitching prospects.. Billingsley and Kershaw should be there for awhile (and should be their #1 and #2 for years), but after that its pretty empty (Randy Wolf is a free agent after this year, Hiroki Kuroda is 34).. so if they do make that trade they better have plans to re-sign Halladay.

Halladay, Billingsley, Kershaw is a pretty formidable 1-3 though.. even if its just for the rest of this year and all of next year.. but they would be even more set if they could lock him up after that

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 08:19 PM

Man, it seems the Yankees don't like me. I got to know the rules of baseball and watched some games and shows last year and bang! - for the first time in God knows how many years they missed the playoffs. This season, even though they win a lot, everytime I watch them they lose. I'm a casual fan and I rearely catch games, but I have yet to see a full Yankee win this summer. :blink: A brutal 5th inning tonight with the Yanks allowing seven freaking runs. From that point nothing really went their way defensively. More errors, silly mistakes and the Angels ran away with it, even though NY came back within two in the top of the 8th.

On the good note, Hinske amazes me. I happened to watch him tonight and in his Bronx debut and he makes it happen all the time. His first game was awesome, too, despite him being struck out in the 9th inning to lose the game. Well, you can't always hit a homer...
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 07:32 AM

I f'in HATE the Angels. They're like the Yankees' Canes.
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Posted 12 July 2009 - 07:46 AM

I dont know the stats on any of those prospects but if they could get it done without giving up talent on their major league roster they could go for it, although it would really deplete their farm system. However I know the Jays could get a better package.....................


One thing against the Phillies getting him would be the fact they're probably bringing in Pedro. They may not want to get rid of any of those prospects for a 32 year old Halladay unless they find themselves in a slump or something going into the deadline. I would think it's almost certain that no matter where Roy goes, he's going to want an extension before signing off on it. I dunno if the Phillies would be up for that. The Dodgers would be a good fit, but I think the same thing applies.

I think he ends up in Boston or (either) NY team, if anywhere. I don't think there's any other team that will pay him what he feels his value is and its certain that both the Sawx and Yanks are on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to. I dunno about the Mets.

There's also the issue that he may want to stay in the northeast and may not want to go to the NL.

If the Yanks can get it done without Joba, Montero, or Betances (in other words they probably cant lol), I say go for it. I don't think Hughes should be off the table. Jackson has been playing like crap for the past month, so even he may not be off the table, but I'd rather not deal him.

I wont be surprised one bit if they can't get anything done. Its literally a rerun of the Santana crap, or we'll see some team on the fringe that deals for him just for the remainder of the season, ala the CC to Milwaukee thing....and he ends up in NY or Boston next offseason lol.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 09:08 AM

One thing against the Phillies getting him would be the fact they're probably bringing in Pedro. They may not want to get rid of any of those prospects for a 32 year old Halladay unless they find themselves in a slump or something going into the deadline. I would think it's almost certain that no matter where Roy goes, he's going to want an extension before signing off on it. I dunno if the Phillies would be up for that. The Dodgers would be a good fit, but I think the same thing applies.


re: Pedro - I really dont think that effects Halladay. Pedro is a #5 at best now, the Phillies still lack a true #2 starter.. I have no idea why they are even signing him in the first place, hes gonna get killed in that bandbox in philly.. and he doesn't help the Phillies' rotation at all, he just gives them another #4/#5 guy and they have a bunch of those - Happ, Blanton, Moyer (with the way hes performed this year), Lopez, Park.. If they seriously believe Pedro is going to settle their rotation problems, they are terribly wrong.

re: trade - If Philly doesn't want to pay the price in prospects and $ for Halladay they could always settle for a smaller option like Erik Bedard whose having a quiet but nice year for Seattle, although I think hes injury prone.

I think he ends up in Boston or (either) NY team, if anywhere. I don't think there's any other team that will pay him what he feels his value is and its certain that both the Sawx and Yanks are on his list of teams he'd accept a trade to. I dunno about the Mets.

There's also the issue that he may want to stay in the northeast and may not want to go to the NL.


If he goes to Boston or Yankees I gotta believe Toronto will want more from a division rival than they would from say an NL team. As for the Mets, I'd be very shocked if they make a trade for Halladay, they've already come out and said they are hanging onto their top prospects, and again Toronto could get better packages elsewhere.

If the Yanks can get it done without Joba, Montero, or Betances (in other words they probably cant lol), I say go for it. I don't think Hughes should be off the table. Jackson has been playing like crap for the past month, so even he may not be off the table, but I'd rather not deal him.


Im not all familiar with Yankees' farm system but I saw that kid Montero's stats and they are pretty sick.. Yankees should hang onto him IMO.

I wont be surprised one bit if they can't get anything done. Its literally a rerun of the Santana crap, or we'll see some team on the fringe that deals for him just for the remainder of the season, ala the CC to Milwaukee thing....and he ends up in NY or Boston next offseason lol.


If the Yanks' really wanted rotation help they could use a mid-rotation guy (but this depends on how they feel about Wang and Joba for the rest of this season), and they wouldn't have to pay a ton in prospects. Is Hughes the 8th inning guy for the Yanks now? I was going to say maybe they should look into acquiring a quality setup man to help their bullpen, but if Hughes is doing well maybe they don't.

Edited by nmigliore, 12 July 2009 - 09:10 AM.

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