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[Colorado Rockies 1976]

It's over. The 2009 baseball season is dead and buried.

This WS was a lot more painless than I could ever imagine. 2000 was pain, this is nothing.

The Yankees in the ultimate disgrace to sports, and most obscene offseasons of all time...bought a World Series. This was really disgusting.

Frankly, I'm not impressed enough to get angry. Win it with the payroll of the 2003 marlins and maybe I'll salute you.

I know what you're saying, and I hate the Yankees as much as anybody, but as long as they continue to operate within the rules of MLB, I can't really crucify them. And as much as it feels like the Yankees flat-out bought this World Series, at least they try their damndest to put a great team on the field. Too many other teams don't...of course they can't spend up to level of the Yankees, but some of those ownerships can put much more money into their on-field products than they do. It won't change until a cap with a hard ceiling (and just as importantly, a hard FLOOR) is implemented.

As far as the whole "impressed" thing goes...Brian Cashman should wake up early each morning to count his luckies. I'd love to see what he'd be able to pull off if he had to show the creativity and payroll maneuvering that mid- to lower mid-payroll GMs have to show.

EDIT: last year's payrolls (as of April 8), according to MLB.com:
Yankees $201,449,289
Mets $135,773,988
Cubs $135,050,000
Red Sox $122,696,000
Tigers $115,085,145
Angels $113,709,000
Phillies $113,004,048
Astros $102,996,415
Dodgers $100,458,101
Mariners $98,904,167
Braves $96,726,167
White Sox $96,068,500
Cardinals $88,528,411
Giants $82,161,450
Indians $81,625,567
Blue Jays $80,993,657
Brewers $79,857,502
Rockies $75,201,000
D-backs $73,571,667
Reds $70,968,500
Royals $70,908,333
Rangers $68,646,023
Orioles $67,101,667
Twins $65,299,267
Rays $63,313,035
Athletics $62,310,000
Nationals $59,328,000
Pirates $48,743,000
Padres $42,796,700
Marlins $36,814,000

I know I'm being very simplistic here, but it seems like a fair floor could be roughly $75 million and a fair ceiling could be $150 million. There will always be haves and have nots and bad ownerships and bad front offices, but least you won't have one team spending more than twice as much as 22 out of the remaining 29 did on players.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 05 November 2009 - 11:08 AM.

[Beezer34]

...bro, you had the b@lls to call me out for being "sour-grapes" when Miami beat the Jets... are you fvcking serious?! Rereading your posts throughout these baseball threads over the past week and a half.. the bellyaching; "You don't know pain! Mets know pain" -- "MLB needs a Cap" -- "You (Fiesty) know how lucky your are?" -- "Yankees flat-out bought this World Series!" -- "Cashman should count his luckies" ---> right down to "sex-appeal" ?? -is this a joke?!
These are the rules/guidelines in which the MLB operate under. If you don't like, watch something else. Either way... stop crying.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

I'm not begrudging them doing this, BTW...the Yankees aren't doing a single thing wrong...they're operating within the rules of MLB and they're paying a luxury tax for doing so.

I know what you're saying, and I hate the Yankees as much as anybody, but as long as they continue to operate within the rules of MLB, I can't really crucify them.

Funny Beezer, I said the same thing, more than once. Funny how you didn't quote that. But why would you? It wouldn't serve your purpose. Funny how you also didn't quote how I said, more than once, that even though their resources far outweigh other teams', at least they put them to use by putting their money into the team. And it's also funny how you didn't take note of how I said owners that don't put money into their teams are even worse than the Yankees.

Yeah, Cashman should count his luckies, because unlike pretty much every other GM who has to be careful on some level with how they spend their money, Cashman doesn't. You know damn well that he's made some very costly mistakes that would have crippled other GMs' flexibility. I'm not saying he's a bad GM, but like I said, put him in a situation where he has less than $100 million to allot on players I can't help but wonder what he'd able to pull off.

Learn to fvcking read next time you fvcking blowhard.

And yeah, it WAS sour grapes on your part, re: Miami and the Jets. You whined because the Jets couldn't find a way to beat the Wildcat, so on-and-on you went about the "gimmick".

One last thing...how about being fair and at least present my quotes in their full context?
As in: And as much as it feels like the Yankees flat-out bought this World Series, at least they try their damndest to put a great team on the field.

Way to only quote only what served you. The way you quoted me shows complete lack of credibility on your part.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 05 November 2009 - 01:28 PM.

[Devils Dose]

as for the yankees buying their championship, don't hate the player, hate the game.. which in this case is the players,, the players union won't go for a salary cap . . .

Yankees ownership always helps them defend the current system and work against the salary cap and luxury tax

[Beezer34]

B!tching and crying like a fvcking baby, only to follow each bellyache with; "Oh but I guess they're playing by the rules" aint distorting any kind of post(s)... it's only playing both sides of the coin. Furthermore.. My tirade with Miami... had to do with Miami! Miami was the team the Jets had just played. -You giving your opinion (being a Mets fan) on how it's "unfair that the Yankees are a lock to make the postseason every year, because they purchase their team" carries no merit.. BECAUSE YOU'RE A JEALOUS METS FAN! This is what fans like me think when they read your bellyaching...

You annoying Mets fans whine and complain all the time. You want to know what pain is? How about listening to you whine all the time. It's down right excruciating!

Typical copout by Yankee haters. How did that payroll help them the last 9 years? Not much. It takes a bit more to win than payroll. Chemistry, management, all of this matters just as much, if not more. What about 81-95? The Yankees were the top payroll or near the top every one of those years and for many of them, stunk.

So what do you suggest? The Yankees shouldnt spend money when they have it? Sour f'in grapes.

THAT'S the consensus! Perfectly put. Your "Yankees $pend!" rants are stand up comedy... because they are the definition of sour-grapes.

Edited by Beezer34, 05 November 2009 - 02:05 PM.

[nmigliore]

B!tching and crying like a fvcking baby, only to follow each bellyache with; "Oh but I guess they're playing by the rules" aint distorting any kind of post(s)... it's only playing both sides of the coin. Furthermore.. My tirade with Miami... had to do with Miami! Miami was the team the Jets had just played. -You giving your opinion (being a Mets fan) on how it's "unfair that the Yankees are a lock to make the postseason every year, because they purchase their team" carries no merit.. BECAUSE YOU'RE A JEALOUS METS FAN! This is what fans like me think when they read your bellyaching...



THAT'S the consensus! Perfectly put. Your "Yankees $pend!" rants are stand up comedy... because they are the definition of sour-grapes.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

B!tching and crying like a fvcking baby, only to follow each bellyache with; "Oh but I guess they're playing by the rules" aint distorting any kind of post(s)... it's only playing both sides of the coin. Furthermore.. My tirade with Miami... had to do with Miami! Miami was the team the Jets had just played. -You giving your opinion (being a Mets fan) on how it's "unfair that the Yankees are a lock to make the postseason every year, because they purchase their team" carries no merit.. BECAUSE YOU'RE A JEALOUS METS FAN! This is what fans like me think when they read your bellyaching...

THAT'S the consensus! Perfectly put. Your "Yankees $pend!" rants are stand up comedy... because they are the definition of sour-grapes.

More blowhard nonsense I see. I can't debate topics with someone who continues to post inaccuracies and attribute things to me that I haven't said. At least with this latest post you're confirming what I already suspected...that you're not terribly bright.

[Beezer34]

Your team has the resources to go buy whomever it wants, whenever it wants, and has a sex appeal that only the Dodgers can compete with. Players everywhere dream of what it would be like to wear the pinstripes. Heaven forbid the Yankees make the kind of mistake(s) that would cripple other teams' payrolls and flexibility? No problem...just hose it off and go buy someone else. I'm not begrudging them doing this, BTW...the Yankees aren't doing a single thing wrong...they're operating within the rules of MLB and they're paying a luxury tax for doing so. The game needs a cap with a ceiling AND a floor (at least the Yankees use their resources, unlike some other teams who barely even try...that's why the game desperately needs a cap with a hard floor), but that's a debate for another day. "Pain"?! C'mon man! Your team is practically a lock to make the playoffs every single year. You want to know about pain? Try being a Mets fan.

...go get in your pajama's, and I'll read you a bedtime story.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

...go get in your pajama's, and I'll read you a bedtime story.

I'll attempt to explain this further, against my better judgment:

Your team has the resources to go buy whomever it wants, whenever it wants, and has a sex appeal that only the Dodgers can compete with. Players everywhere dream of what it would be like to wear the pinstripes.

Are you really going to deny any of this? We saw your team go out and spend an absolute fortune on CC, Burnett, and Tex. Name one other team that could have done the same...and you already had plenty tied up in ARod, Jeter, Matsui, Damon. "Sex appeal" is a compliment BTW, since you haven't figured that out. Little leaguers and current major leaguers and many in between dream of what it would be like to wear the pinstripes and run out onto Yankee Stadium's field. The Yankees have a universal appeal and mystique that no other team can come close to. Only the Dodgers come to mind as a team that has that, and it's not close to what the Yankees have.

Heaven forbid the Yankees make the kind of mistake(s) that would cripple other teams' payrolls and flexibility? No problem...just hose it off and go buy someone else. I'm not begrudging them doing this, BTW...the Yankees aren't doing a single thing wrong...they're operating within the rules of MLB and they're paying a luxury tax for doing so.

How is this wrong? Mistakes like Pavano and Igawa, among others...GMs sometimes lose their jobs over gaffes like that. At the very least, those kind of moves hamper what kind of moves they can make down the line, unless they can dump that money. As we've seen, more than any other team, the Yankees can wave those mistakes away like they never even happened. Hate to break this to you, but these are FACTS. And I'll say it one last time: THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS AS LONG AS THE CURRENT RULESET REMAINS IN PLACE. I DON'T "GUESS" IT'S OK, I KNOW IT'S OK, OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.

The game needs a cap with a ceiling AND a floor (at least the Yankees use their resources, unlike some other teams who barely even try...that's why the game desperately needs a cap with a hard floor), but that's a debate for another day. "Pain"?! C'mon man! Your team is practically a lock to make the playoffs every single year. You want to know about pain? Try being a Mets fan.

Try to read and understand...my basis for MLB needing a cap isn't just directed at the Yankees. It's attempting to set a limit at both ends (FLOOR FLOOR FLOOR). As a Met fan I don't think I have a monopoly on sports pain...the Red Sox fans pre-2004 went through much worse, and it never seems to end for the Cubs. I was just trying to show feisty a little perspective, that making the playoffs nearly every season and never having to worry about someone being too expensive for his team's blood doesn't really seem so painful compared to what other fans have to endure.

Anyway I'm sure more crybaby and other witty retorts are coming, so knock yourself out.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 05 November 2009 - 02:32 PM.

[Beezer34]

I can't debate topics with someone who continues to post inaccuracies, and attribute things to me that I haven't said.

...but you will anyway! OR, (like my wife says in regards to my son) until the toddler gets the last word.. whichever comes first.

Anyway, I'm done here. I can see this is becoming a 'parting-shot' game, and I really vested more time acknowledging your stand'up than I should've. I'm not interested in going back and forth with explanations of rhetoric, when the double-talking worked just fine in the first place. I'm sure one of (if not all) of my posts will be dissected going forward for spelling from the peanut gallery, and I fully appreciate that in advance.
In closing however, I would like to thank you for all the hating, really gave me alot more laughs than I figured it would..... and come next year (after Holliday helps the Yanks to #28) it'll be my pleasure to read more of your 'YANKEE$!' post(s) CR. (and I say that in all sincerity) It's Mets fans like you, that make the Yankees success that much sweeter. If your posts are this funny, after a 9 year World Series drought... next season can't come soon enough.
...until then, please... CONTINUE POSTING! I haven't really decided yet on what sig material I'm going to use here, (there's so much to choose from) although if you can provide more.. go right ahead. This pure display of bitterness and animosity, only makes Yankee fans delight over 27, that much more.

*Beezer - Out.

[nmigliore]

...but you will anyway! OR, (like my wife says in regards to my son) until the toddler gets the last word.. whichever comes first.

Anyway, I'm done here. I can see this is becoming a 'parting-shot' game, and I really vested more time acknowledging your stand'up than I should've. I'm not interested in going back and forth with explanations of rhetoric, when the double-talking worked just fine in the first place. I'm sure one of (if not all) of my posts will be dissected going forward for spelling from the peanut gallery, and I fully appreciate that in advance.
In closing however, I would like to thank you for all the hating, really gave me alot more laughs than I figured it would..... and come next year (after Holliday helps the Yanks to #28) it'll be my pleasure to read more of your 'YANKEE$!' post(s) CR. (and I say that in all sincerity) It's Mets fans like you, that make the Yankees success that much sweeter. If your posts are this funny, after a 9 year World Series drought... next season can't come soon enough.
...until then, please... CONTINUE POSTING! I haven't really decided yet on what sig material I'm going to use here, (there's so much to choose from) although if you can provide more.. go right ahead. This pure display of bitterness and animosity, only makes Yankee fans delight over 27, that much more.

*Beezer - Out.

lol


How can you not love this guy. If you are ever in need of a great laugh just find his posts. Its too bad he doesn't post updates on Pedro anymore, those were getting really fun. (Pedro pitched 3 scoreless innings! The Mets were dumb not to sign him! God how can you not love Pedro! Lick my balls and I'll tell you a bedtime story <non-NJDevs board smiley goes here>.. Italics are so awesome!!)

Edited by nmigliore, 05 November 2009 - 02:47 PM.

[nmigliore]

Anyway, some Mets news:

NYPost_Mets The Mets have told J.J. Putz that they don't intend to pick up his 2010 option and will buy him out instead for $1 million.

That was pretty much a no-brainer. I would be interested in bringing back Putz on a 1 year incentive-based deal though.

Edit: And the Mets added 3B "prospect" (I somewhat hesitate to call him that anymore) Shawn Bowman to the 40-man roster to protect from the Rule 5 Draft. Bowman plays a strong defensive game at 3B but he has no plate discipline and his power hasn't developed as the team would have liked. He also has had injury problems with his back. He probably ends up a bench bat at best, there is no way he is a starter with the plate discipline he has.

Edited by nmigliore, 05 November 2009 - 03:28 PM.

[Colin226]

It just frustrates me when people add childish antix to an otherwise intelligent discussion.. Brings the boards down a notch

[Random Poster]

LOL i'm reading alot of smack, nonsense, un-intelligent, gloating gibberish today and that's the reason why i never rooted for the Yankees and i lived through the 80's and early 90's (when they sucked) when most of these "fans" weren't there, weren't born yet, couldn't name half the players or never heard of the team.

I'd rather pull for my lowly Padres whom i've supported since i was a kid then be grouped in with these clowns.

The only answer they resort to is "WE HAVE MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS THEN YOU!" or "We'll Win again becuase we'll buy more players in the offseason!" or "everyone wants to wear pinstripes!"

Funny, no one wanted to wear pinstripes, talked Yankee Pride or wanted to go to games in the Bronx out of fear of crime (Steinbrenner wanted to move them citing this) in 1988 or 1990 or any of those 80's or early to mid-90's teams that were from bad to average to just a playoff team.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

...but you will anyway! OR, (like my wife says in regards to my son) until the toddler gets the last word.. whichever comes first.

Anyway, I'm done here. I can see this is becoming a 'parting-shot' game, and I really vested more time acknowledging your stand'up than I should've. I'm not interested in going back and forth with explanations of rhetoric, when the double-talking worked just fine in the first place. I'm sure one of (if not all) of my posts will be dissected going forward for spelling from the peanut gallery, and I fully appreciate that in advance.
In closing however, I would like to thank you for all the hating, really gave me alot more laughs than I figured it would..... and come next year (after Holliday helps the Yanks to #28) it'll be my pleasure to read more of your 'YANKEE$!' post(s) CR. (and I say that in all sincerity) It's Mets fans like you, that make the Yankees success that much sweeter. If your posts are this funny, after a 9 year World Series drought... next season can't come soon enough.
...until then, please... CONTINUE POSTING! I haven't really decided yet on what sig material I'm going to use here, (there's so much to choose from) although if you can provide more.. go right ahead. This pure display of bitterness and animosity, only makes Yankee fans delight over 27, that much more.

*Beezer - Out.

Well, I thought we might be able to discuss, but I don't speak blowhard and chestbeating, so you're right, no point in going on. I can't believe you actually thought my last post was a "parting shot" and an attempt to get the last word in. You completely missed all of my points, and what I was going for...if you could get over yourself for five minutes you'd see that, if I'm knocking anything at all, it's the system in place, and not the Yankees for operating within it.

*CR76 - Also Out.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

LOL i'm reading alot of smack, nonsense, un-intelligent, gloating gibberish today and that's the reason why i never rooted for the Yankees and i lived through the 80's and early 90's (when they sucked) when most of these "fans" weren't there, weren't born yet, couldn't name half the players or never heard of the team.

I'd rather pull for my lowly Padres whom i've supported since i was a kid then be grouped in with these clowns.

The only answer they resort to is "WE HAVE MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS THEN YOU!" or "We'll Win again becuase we'll buy more players in the offseason!" or "everyone wants to wear pinstripes!"

Funny, no one wanted to wear pinstripes, talked Yankee Pride or wanted to go to games in the Bronx out of fear of crime (Steinbrenner wanted to move them citing this) in 1988 or 1990 or any of those 80's or early to mid-90's teams that were from bad to average to just a playoff team.

As much as I'm not a Yankee fan, I was happy for my uncle. Because he's always been a die-hard Yankee fan. He was watching those wretched Mel Hall Yankees as much as he's been watching this year, and rooting just as hard.

[nmigliore]

Baseball America released its Mets' 2010 top 10 prospects lists today.



If the image isn't working, its:
1. Jenrry Mejia, rhp
2. Wilmer Flores, ss
3. Fernando Martinez, of
4. Ike Davis, 1b
5. Brad Holt, rhp
6. Jon Niese, lhp
7. Reese Havens, 2b/ss
8. Josh Thole, c
9. Ruben Tejada, 2b/ss
10. Juan Urbina, lhp

Though the Mets bring in more money than most big league clubs, they continued to remain conservative in the draft. They spent just $3.1 million on the 2009 draft, the lowest figure in baseball. New York forfeited its first-round pick as compensation for Rodriguez and used its top choice (second round) on Long Island high school lefthander Steve Matz.

The Mets don't spend the money in the draft like their cross-town rivals do. But the Mets do invest heavily in the Latin American market. Five of the team's Top 10 Prospects, including No. 1 prospect Jenrry Mejia, were signed as international free agents.

Full Article Here


Re: the list - I can understand why Mejia is ahead of F-Mart, but I'm not ready to put Flores ahead of him. The last few names - Ruben Tejada, Josh Thole, and Juan Urbina I think are a bit overrated (on this list). I thought Jeurys Familia, Kyle Allen, and Kirk Nieuwenhuis deserved top 10 credit, but its not a big deal considering they were probably right below them.

Re: the draft strategy - Pretty much what the quote says. The Mets don't go overslot as much as they should.

Edited by nmigliore, 06 November 2009 - 03:47 PM.

['7']

Wanted to quickly check in...

The Mets will speak with the Blue Jays about the possibility of a Roy Halladay trade, just as they did last summer. While they know they're not the favorites, they're encouraged - somewhat, at least - by history. Absolutely no one anticipated that they would wind up with Johan Santana, and yet they did, because 1) The Yankees and Red Sox were largely bluffing over their interest in Santana; 2) The Twins were absolutely bluffing when they said they'd gladly keep Santana for the final year of his contract, in 2008.

Such a deal would clearly hit the Mets' farm system, which is already weak. But it's certainly worth exploring.

http://www.newsday.c...rrell-1.1578232

doubt anything will go down with Halladay, but it is kinda strong to paint the Mets farm system as weak. Don't most have it as middle of the road?

[nmigliore]

I would say a little worse than middle of the pack. But I rather not flush out the top guys for Halladay.

I mean I would definitely inquire about the price of him and Adrian Gonzalez (which the Mets are doing, supposedly), there's definitely no harm in doing so, but in the end it will most likely cost way too much.

Edited by nmigliore, 10 November 2009 - 09:21 PM.

['7']

True...but I think the Yankees winning is going to put a lot of pressure on them. Plus I heard Joe and Evan on WFAN briefly discussing rumors about Halladay being traded to the Phillies, that would really make Mets execs nervous. I never get a sense of unity from the organization. Are they committed to adding a piece here and there while keeping the prospects or are they "all in" for 2010.

I have a feeling it's going to be Holliday, Wolf, resign Delgado and get everybody healthy.

Edited by '7', 10 November 2009 - 10:36 PM.