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#1801 NJDevs4978

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 08:54 PM

IIRC he did last year.. maybe Im wrong (I have a crap memory) but didn't he go to Stokes/Ayala as his 8th and 9th inning combo? But yeah this year hes pushed Stokes aside to long relief for whatever reason.

Its also about time they dumped Takahashi and started to use Stokes more often. You cant just let both of them rot in the bullpen, those are 2 valuable spots for a team thats not getting much relief pitching help from anyone not named Green/Feliciano (and K-Rod but he only pitches in the 9th)

edit: btw I would strongly advise the Mets to tack on a run this inning.. Ludwick, Ankiel, Molina all due up... all of them have good power, and Chris Duncan is a lefty bat with great power that LaRussa has on the bench.


Yeah he trusted him last year (that's why this year's such a darn mystery to me) and he did reasonably well considering...but early in the season they pigeonholed him as the long reliever - which he's not suited for - and for some reason got in Jerry's doghouse early. I can't tell you how many times Jerry's driven me to exacerbation this year by his lack of use of Stokes.

Yay, 3 up and 3 down for K-Rod in the ninth. I almost forgot what a win felt like.

Edited by Hasan4978, 22 June 2009 - 09:09 PM.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:10 PM

K-Rod with a surprisingly easy 9th inning... Mets win, Tim Redding deserves this win for sure.. pitched a very solid game and went deep enough.. Gotta give Stokes HUGE credit for getting that double play from Pujols.

Like I said, if you win the 1st game of this series, you put yourself in a nice spot to at least salvage a series split.
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:21 PM

Huge win for Redding and the Mets tonight over the Cardinals to start the 4-game series. :koolaid: With hearing before the game that Beltran was put on the 15-day DL it did not look good for the Mets tonight, but they came out and played a great game along with Redding pitching the best game of the season as a Met getting his 1st win of the season (1-2). Santos going 4 for 4 and Castillo going 3 for 3 had a big game for the Mets and need these guys to step it up along with Murphy tonight with his 5th HR. Tatis needs to come around now especially with RISP and the Mets may just hang on for some more wins until the core guys comeback. Mets 1.5 GB of the Phillies and still in it with a depleted team full of injuries. Hopefully Hernandez can go at least 6 or 7 innings tomorrow night and get the win.

Mets showed a lot of heart tonight after hearing one of their leaders and best players (Beltran) was put in the 15-day DL. The Mets BP got the rest they surely needed tonight from Redding and the huge outing by Stokes to get Pujols into the inning ending DP which was the play of the game.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:34 PM

It's good to see the Mets win and everything, but I could care less about that right now. All I ask for is a scrapy team that can dig it out. Tread water and win the games you have to win to stay within striking range. Now that the bullpen is fixed, Omar has to add a bat. I'm not even sure if we can tread water at this point with the current lineup. Adam Dunn is everything we need, go get him.
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:39 PM

It's good to see the Mets win and everything, but I could care less about that right now. All I ask for is a scrapy team that can dig it out. Tread water and win the games you have to win to stay within striking range. Now that the bullpen is fixed, Omar has to add a bat. I'm not even sure if we can tread water at this point with the current lineup. Adam Dunn is everything we need, go get him.


I wouldn't mind trading for Dunn, but I dont want any rentals anymore (ie: Holliday, Johnson, DeRosa), I just dont think they would be worth giving up prospects for anymore.. Dunn would be a perfect fit though - great power bat and under contract for next year. But what would it take to get him? It would cost this team at least Parnell and Niese.. I would like to hang onto guys like Mejia, Holt, FMart, Davis, Havens, Thole, and Flores though.

edit: and yeah 7 beat to me to it, but, the bullpen isn't really fixed.. its a step in the right direction definitely with getting rid of Taka and using Stokes.. but Elmer Dessens and Pat Misch are far from bullpen saviors... but hey, you never know, Ayala came to the Mets with crappy numbers and was very solid last year as the closer. Even Stokes was a nice find.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:39 PM

It's good to see the Mets win and everything, but I could care less about that right now. All I ask for is a scrapy team that can dig it out. Tread water and win the games you have to win to stay within striking range. Now that the bullpen is fixed, Omar has to add a bat. I'm not even sure if we can tread water at this point with the current lineup. Adam Dunn is everything we need, go get him.


well, I wouldn't say 1 good day means the bullpen is fixed...I wish it was so.

When Maine comes back it will push Redding or Nieve into the pen, so hopefully that will bolster things a bit
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:45 PM

I wouldn't mind trading for Dunn, but I dont want any rentals anymore (ie: Holliday, Johnson, DeRosa), I just dont think they would be worth giving up prospects for anymore.. Dunn would be a perfect fit though - great power bat and under contract for next year. But what would it take to get him? I would think it would cost this team Parnell and Niese at the least.. I would like to hang onto guys like Mejia, Holt, FMart, Davis, Havens, Thole, and Flores though.


I think FMart would be off the table on any trades unless we're making a surprise trade for a major superstar.

I know Parnell is going through a rough patch now but I saw so many good things out of him early on. Even Niese, he's been pretty bad as a starter but that 8 inning, 6 hitter he threw against the Braves in a big spot last year was just awesome. Still only 22.

I got caught up the same with Glendon Rusch
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:51 PM

well, I wouldn't say 1 good day means the bullpen is fixed...I wish it was so.

When Maine comes back it will push Redding or Nieve into the pen, so hopefully that will bolster things a bit

It's not quite fixed but this is as good as its going to get before we get healthy. Only other thing they could do is bring up Kunz. When Putz and Wagner get back (looking like around the same time now) we'll have the best pen in baseball. Adam Dunn fits in so good you that its not going to happen. Omar better get off his ass and do something for once.
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 09:51 PM

I think FMart would be off the table on any trades unless we're making a surprise trade for a major superstar.


I think this too.

I know Parnell is going through a rough patch now but I saw so many good things out of him early on. Even Niese, he's been pretty bad as a starter but that 8 inning, 6 hitter he threw against the Braves in a big spot last year was just awesome. Still only 22.


re: Parnell - yeah I wouldn't be so quick to dump him either.. hes got Matt Lidstrom/Heath Bell written all over him..

re: Niese - wasn't too high on him to start the year but hes pitched alot better recently in AAA.. April (4 starts): 8.44 ERA .. May (3 starts): 7.47 ERA .. June (4 starts): 2.70 ERA; hes given up alot less hits - .216 opposing avg in June, compared to .361 (April) and .314 (May) .. hopefully he can keep it rolling the rest of the way.

edit: by the way heres a nice write-up about tonight's game by Matt Cerrone of metsblog.com: http://www.metsblog....-6-cardinals-4/ .. I agree they showed hustle and grit tonight, thats the Mets we all want to see.. and I think I was down on Omar for picking up Cora for like 2 million, but, thats looking like a nice pickup. Hes one of those guys this team desperately needed.

I know its only 1 game.. but I have a feeling we are going to see more fighting/gritty/hustle games like this from this current lineup.

Edited by nmigliore, 22 June 2009 - 09:58 PM.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 10:09 PM

Mets win :boogie:

Beltran on the DL :argh:
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:19 PM

I have a feeling Omar is going to make a move very soon, like before the Yankee series. If we land somebody like Dunn it will cost prospects, but we also get him for a month and change before the trade deadline. That way if we completely tank it with Dunn he can then be traded again to recoup some of the prospects lost.
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:39 PM

I have a feeling Omar is going to make a move very soon, like before the Yankee series. If we land somebody like Dunn it will cost prospects, but we also get him for a month and change before the trade deadline. That way if we completely tank it with Dunn he can then be traded again to recoup some of the prospects lost.


I would definitely not do this.. I would hang onto Dunn for next year.. especially if the Mets opt to not sign Delgado (and trust me the 1B market next year is pretty bare; Huff, Delgado, and Johnson pretty much sums it up).. but if the Mets dont bring back Delgado we will need Dunn's bat next year, especially if they opt to go with Murphy/Evans at 1B.

They could do something like that if they got a free-agent-to-be like Nick Johnson or Mark DeRosa.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:50 PM

These injuries are getting ridiculous...but Maine and perez r coming back soon right?
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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:52 PM

These injuries are getting ridiculous...but Maine and perez r coming back soon right?


Maine could be back as soon as this weekend vs the Yankees.. Perez on the other hand, I have no idea. He'll pitch in more rehab games and work his way back... Wagner might even return before Ollie.

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Posted 22 June 2009 - 11:55 PM

Maine could be back as soon as this weekend vs the Yankees.. Perez on the other hand, I have no idea. He'll pitch in more rehab games and work his way back... Wagner might even return before Ollie.


The question is do we really want Perez to come back? he has been so awful this year and i really wish the mets didnt resign him.
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 07:04 AM

Omar it's time to make a move.
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:42 PM

Omar it's time to make a move.


For who? At what price? With this many injuries do you think one player is going to help much? Don't you think that other teams are also taking stock of the Mets' injury situation and hoping to jack up their asking price as a result?

Not to mention that they're only 1.5 games out of first. Yeah, it's fool's gold, but I think Omar's actually much better off not doing anything and letting guys like Murphy (even though I'm not a fan) and Martinez get everyday playing time. If they can somehow get through this stretch intact and are firmly in the race with players coming, then I think Omar should consider a big move. But not until then.
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:45 PM

For who? At what price? With this many injuries do you think one player is going to help much? Don't you think that other teams are also taking stock of the Mets' injury situation and hoping to jack up their asking price as a result?

Not to mention that they're only 1.5 games out of first. Yeah, it's fool's gold, but I think Omar's actually much better off not doing anything and letting guys like Murphy (even though I'm not a fan) and Martinez get everyday playing time. If they can somehow get through this stretch intact and are firmly in the race with players coming, then I think Omar should consider a big move. But not until then.


Also, according to Jon Heyman the Mets have no intention of trading prospects like F-Mart, Brad Holt, or Jenrry Mejia (arguably the 3 top prospects in the organization)

Im encouraged by that news.. Im sure everyone knew they would not trade F-Mart (unless it was a deal that blew away Minaya), but I wasn't sure how the organization felt about Holt and Mejia, both of whom are moving through the system quickly.. And Mejia is only 19 and in AA.

edit: here's Mejia numbers in AA so far.. its been 3 starts since being promoted to AA: 16 IP, 17 hits, 4 ER (2.25 ERA), 7 BB/17 K, 2.22 gb/fb ratio .. (as for Holt, hes only made 1 start in AA so far due to an ankle injury)

Edited by nmigliore, 23 June 2009 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 02:53 PM

Also, according to Jon Heyman the Mets have no intention of trading prospects like F-Mart, Brad Holt, or Jenrry Mejia (arguably the 3 top prospects in the organization)

Im encouraged by that news.. Im sure everyone knew they would not trade F-Mart (unless it was a deal that blew away Minaya), but I wasn't sure how the organization felt about Holt and Mejia, both of whom are moving through the system quickly.. And Mejia is only 19 and in AA.

edit: here's Mejia numbers in AA so far.. its been 3 starts since being promoted to AA: 16 IP, 17 hits, 4 ER (2.25 ERA), 7 BB/17 K, 2.22 gb/fb ratio


Omar's never been shy about blowing out a team's farm system to make himself look good in the short term, so I'm encouraged by that as well.

The Mets have too many iffy injury situations to think about fortifying this team for right now. The fact that the Phillies are struggling buys them time as well.
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Posted 23 June 2009 - 03:00 PM

Omar's never been shy about blowing out a team's farm system to make himself look good in the short term, so I'm encouraged by that as well.


and the one time he did (for Santana), he fleeced the twins.. carlos gomez cant get on base for his life, kevin mulvey has been stuck in AAA for a few years now, phil humber cant get to the bigs either and i believe minnesota was looking to dump him in spring training.. deolis guerra has been stuck in high-A ball for awhile now and hes not getting better.

edit, tonight's lineup per Adam Rubin:
Cora, ss
Murphy, 1b
Wright, 3b
Tatis, lf
Church, rf
Santos, c
Martinez, cf
Castillo, 2b
Hernandez, rhp

Edited by nmigliore, 23 June 2009 - 03:02 PM.

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