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#1921 Colin226

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 11:31 PM

Yeah they are living in the past with all this Dodgers stuff.. I mean I love the Brooklyn Dodgers they were my dad's team before they moved but seriously move on!

This pretty much sums up the series with the Yankees.. Insert the word "Yankees" when you hear the word "Bears"


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Posted 28 June 2009 - 11:34 PM

They're teetering on the brink now. If Philly gets to 5 up we'll never catch them.


PLAYOFFS?!


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Posted 29 June 2009 - 12:09 AM

How To Fix The Mets (Pre-Trade Deadline 2009)

1) Addressing The Lineup
Okay, first off.. there is WAY too many holes to fill - there is no way they can replace Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado with 3 other superstars.. however, they can acquire a guy to help them out now and even have him for next year, and that guy is Adam Dunn. Hes going to cost prospects, yes, but he is more worth it than rental players like Mark DeRosa (already traded), Matt Holliday, Aubrey Huff, Nick Johnson, etc.. He could help this team climb to a possible playoff berth this season, and even if he doesn't, hes still under contract for next year, which is a nice little fall-back option to have (and its something you dont have with a rental player).. and if worse comes to worst next year, and the Mets are terrible at the trade deadline, they can sell high on Dunn to a contender seeking a rental and gain back the prospects they gave up for him the year before. But anyway, going back to this year.. and with Dunn acquired, this is what the Mets defense and lineup will look when FULLY healthy:
Projected defense:
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Luis Castillo
3B - David Wright
SS - Jose Reyes
C - Brian Schneider / Omir Santos
LF - Adam Dunn
CF - Carlos Beltran
RF - Ryan Church / Gary Sheffield

Projected lineup (or at least the way I make it):
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Delgado
Dunn
Church / Sheffield
Schneider / Santos
Castillo
~pitcher's spot~

2) Addressing The Pitching
Well in the bullpen, there really isn't much to do.. Green and Feliciano have been very valuable relievers this year (despite that slump Green was in in May), Parnell needs to get himself righted; if he continues to struggle they need to get Eddie Kunz up here and give him a shot.. K-Rod, despite his wild outbursts and tight-rope acts at times, has been very good.. Unfortunately the primary setup man JJ Putz is out for awhile, but the good news is the former closer, Billy Wagner, should be returning soon and should provide a great boost for this bullpen and could slot into the 8th inning role if hes effective. So now on to the rotation.. This is what the rotation stands as of June 29:
Johan Santana
Mike Pelfrey
Tim Redding
Livan Hernandez
Fernando Nieve

...Yeah thats not very good; Redding, Livan, and Nieve are all arguably 5th starters.. and with the way Pelfrey has pitched, he sure is not looking like a #2 starter on a team thats supposed to be a contender.. Santana has been very good though, but thats no surprise.. John Maine is due back before Oliver Perez, so the Mets should take Tim Redding and stick him into the bullpen and slot Maine into Redding's rotation spot, then DFA Elmer Dessens or Pat Misch.. once Oliver Perez comes back the Mets will have to make a decision -- remove Livan Hernandez or Fernando Nieve? Hell, Jon Niese is pitching pretty well in AAA lately, maybe he can even get his name into the ring somehow? As of now, this is a VERY difficult question to answer, so fortunately they will have a few more weeks before they are forced to make a decision. This is what the rotation should look like when FULLY healthy:
Johan Santana
Mike Pelfrey
John Maine
Oliver Perez
Fernando Nieve / Livan Hernandez

That could be a contending rotation this year if Pelfrey starts putting it together, and hopefully Perez gets back to his 2007 form when he was a 15-game winner (and hopefully Maine can remain healthy and return to his 2007 form as well).. Fernando Nieve has been a pleasant surprise and is looking like a nice, diamond-in-the-rough find by GM Omar Minaya, but its still too early to say much about him; but so far, so good.. The Mets could definitely use a front-end starting pitcher like an Erik Bedard at this year's trade deadline, but unfortunately they will have to pay for a bat and wont afford giving up prospects for a pitcher as well.. this is where signing Ben Sheets might help, but I only recommend that if Perez or Maine come back and struggle..

3) Quick Look Ahead to 2010 / Conclusion
Off the top of my head the Mets will lack a 1B and a catcher next year: Carlos Delgado's contract expires after this season, the 2010 free agency pool for 1B is not that great .. best names out there: Delgado, Huff, Nick Johnson. This is what makes getting a true power bat like Dunn even more so needed, especially if the Mets decide to go with some sort of Murphy / Evans platoon at 1B next year, or perhaps maybe the youngster Ike Davis (currently in AA, just recently promoted from A+) can throw his name into the hat with a good showing in AA the rest of this year.. But this remains to be seen until the season ends.. if Josh Thole's defense catches up to his bat he has a strong shot at being next year's starting catcher, but a safer option could be signing Bengie Molina to a 1 or 2 year deal and have Thole be the backup.. the Mets also will have starting rotation questions -- they have young kids moving up the system quick like Jon Niese and Dillon Gee (AAA) and Brad Holt and Jenrry Mejia (AA), all of those guys could enter the picture of winning a rotation spot as soon as next year depending on how they perform at their respective levels this year.. that could possibly open the door for the mets to give thought to trading a guy like maine (or those prospects) for another need they might have next off-season.. but as for THIS year, the Mets are very depleted with injuries.. they lack a true power hitter, Adam Dunn fits that mold.. you have him for the rest of this season AND next year.. add him to this lineup and he should help you win more games, then once everyone else starts getting healthy things should start coming together.

(Extra) How To Get a Dunn Deal
This is where it gets interesting.. I think the Mets should strongly consider building a package around John Maine.. it would save prospects and also clear up the rotation saga.. Now doing this could be a risky venture since it makes Perez and Nieve that much more important, but I believe the Mets have solid enough fall-back options like Tim Redding or Jon Niese / Dillon Gee in AAA in case Nieve or Perez just stopped being effective..





..well thats what I think.. let me know what you guys think when you get a chance to read it .. alright im gonna get some rest now, as colin226's suggested :P .. night all.

Edited by nmigliore, 29 June 2009 - 01:11 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 12:11 AM

nmiggy, you're a freak man get some rest.. Nice work though
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:01 AM

This weekend was an embarresment.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:18 AM

This weekend was an embarresment.



Not last night. the Mets had every chance to win that game last night. Im telling you not having Reyes and Beltran hurts the mets big time. I still do not understand why K=Rod wasnt throwing strikes to Rivera?

lets hope the Mets are struggling now, get healthy in the next month or 2 and can turn it around just in time for september and october... Just got to hope we dont fall too far behind.

Friday and saturday yes embarrassing.

Sunday not really. IMO.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 01:01 PM

Oops, I kind of messed up my writing.. The "How To Get a Dunn Deal" really wasn't part of it, hence why I still counted Maine in the rotation after I said they should consider trading him as part of the deal to get Dunn. The Dunn Deal part was more food for thought

edit: fixed in somewhat now.. again, it wasn't really part of the whole plan.. it was more or less just an 'extra' idea to think about.

Edited by nmigliore, 29 June 2009 - 01:12 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:52 PM

Why is Jerry thinking of piggybacking Redding and Perez? What a dumb idea.. Im glad to see Ron Darling calling him out on it and calling it a terrible idea, which it rightfully is.

Believe it or not, Ollie is suddenly due back ahead of John Maine (1 more rehab start on Friday for AAA-Buffalo for Ollie).. Maine is not even ready to throw yet, not good.. but anyway, Ollie should bump Redding into the bullpen. No piggyback bullsh!t.

anyway, heres the lineup for tonight:
A. Reyes, ss
Murphy, 1b
Wright, 3b
Sheffield, lf
Church, rf
F. Martinez, cf
Schneider, c
Castillo, 2b
Nieve, rhp

Edited by nmigliore, 29 June 2009 - 05:53 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 06:51 PM

Well, better luck tomorrow... 2-0 is far too big a deficit for these Mets to reach.. and Nieve looks human finally.. What are the chances the former Met CLOSER throws a CG?

Jeez, can the defense get any worse? Reyes botched a double play in the 2nd inning, then he threw wildly and almost botched the 3rd inning double play but Murphy saved him with the nice tag.. and now the Mets' outfielders (FMart/Church) take their sweet ass time to get to the ball allowing Catalenatto to get a leadoff double...

and now fvcking Looper gets a hit.. WHAT IS WITH THE OPPOSING PITCHERS?! Man, only the fvcking Mets.

Argenis Reyes is the worst SS we've had... even Ramon Martinez made smarter decisions than this fool.

Edited by nmigliore, 29 June 2009 - 07:20 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:11 PM

Well theres you reason why Stokes is never going to be a Heath Bell.

Only the Mets!!! Could they ever get a big hit like that? Nope... they are batting under .100 in those spots I believe.

And who? Casey Mcghee? Who the fvck is that?
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:24 PM

So, uh, yeah... how does Wright lead the league in hitting? Something has to be wrong with that... must be some kind of glitch..
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 06:57 AM

So, uh, yeah... how does Wright lead the league in hitting? Something has to be wrong with that... must be some kind of glitch..

He just isn't getting the clutch hits this year.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 07:31 AM

He just isn't getting the clutch hits this year.


He wasn't, then he was, now he's not. Be that as it may, he's got to be feeling the pressure big time right now, with pretty much nothing around him except Sheff, who's far from a sure thing himself.

Tri would find this interesting...I'm pretty sure Wright is on pace to break the record for the highest BABIP (Batting Average on Balls In Play) ever...it's been getting talked about quite a bit lately, in both the broadcast booth and on talk shows. That means he's hitting into a tremendous amount of luck, and since these things tend to even out over time, he's likely due to hit a skid sometime this season. It's not an absolute, but even if it doesn't happen this year, the law-of-averages could wind up manifesting itself in another season, where his BABIP winds up in the lower half of the league.
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 07:51 AM

Not good news....



According to the Post, the serious aspect of for Beltran is that if microfracture surgery is necessary it would sideline him for the end of the season and potentially jeopardize his career. Beltran, 32, already has had arthroscopic surgery on both knees, doing so after the 2007 season.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 12:25 PM

Not good news....



According to the Post, the serious aspect of for Beltran is that if microfracture surgery is necessary it would sideline him for the end of the season and potentially jeopardize his career. Beltran, 32, already has had arthroscopic surgery on both knees, doing so after the 2007 season.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 02:20 PM

Old friend Lastings Milledge has been traded (along with reliever Joel Hanrahan) to Pittsburgh for OF Nyjer Morgan and reliever Sean Burnett

I actually think its a solid deal for Pittsburgh.. Morgan is a top-of-the-order guy with no power, they already have that with McCutchen, there is no use for 2 outfielders with no power IMO.. Not to mention Morgan is already turning 29 in a few days, Milledge is still young (compared to Morgan) and still has some solid potential if he could ever right himself.

From Washington's end, they pick up a young reliever having a good season.. and they pick up yet another outfielder.. that gives them Dukes, Dunn, Harris, Kearns, Willingham, and now throw Morgan into their big basket of outfielders.. Morgan is going to play, theres no reason for them to send him down.. Dukes will probably remain the CF'er.. they probably will look to deal one or two of: Willingham (very solid bench bat) and Harris (great defensive outfielder), Kearns, or maybe even Dunn if they get overwhelmed by a nice package.

Edited by nmigliore, 30 June 2009 - 02:43 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 08:21 PM

Seriously, whats the OBP% of opposing pitcher's (batting) vs the Mets? It has to lead the league...

and then FMart welcomes himself to the Mets by making himself look stupid.. Welcome aboard!

but whatever, Santana deserves to pay for walking the fat fvcking opposing pitcher on 4 pitches.

Edited by nmigliore, 30 June 2009 - 08:22 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 08:30 PM

what have i been saying? only the mets.

philly is going to win, mets will fall to 4 games back, 2 games under .500 (not to mention the marlins are up there, its not only philly) .. good night... better luck next game season ...
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 08:33 PM

'los mets' need to be disbanded
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Posted 30 June 2009 - 08:39 PM

'los mets' need to be disbanded


i know reyes isn't involved in this current fiasco of poor mets play, but i thought this was an interesting trade proposal made by some redsox blogger (metsblog found it):

to Mets: P Clay Buchholz, P Michael Bowden, OF Jacoby Ellsbury, SS Jed Lowrie (Buchholz and Bowden are the 2 top prospects in the sox system)
to Sox: SS Jose Reyes

i would heavily consider it.. it would give the mets a new SS - Lowrie, the Mets would have 2 speedy outfielders manning the corner positions (FMart, Ellsbury, with Beltran in CF).. as well as 2 major-league-ready starting pitchers who can make Maine and other Mets' pitching prospects expendable.. Santana-Pelfrey-Buchholz-Bowden-Perez (gotta keep Ollie b/c of his contract) .. or you could slot one of them in the bullpen and keep someone like Niese who will be in a major league rotation next year.

Edited by nmigliore, 30 June 2009 - 08:44 PM.

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