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[devilsrule33]

Hopefully everyone can see the video. The TSN crew go over the final few seconds and do a pretty good job covering a few other things. It won't be what everyone wants to here, but I have to agree with what they say. Darren Pang actually has a few good observations that maybe other people didn't catch.

http://watch.tsn.ca/...red/#clip163986

[sundstrom]

they're right -

it should never have gotten to that point as has been discussed.

[HellOnICE]

Pang's right...

[SatansDevils]

Should of, could of, would of, but it did and the ref blew the call. It is clearly in the NHL rule book that was read by our very own Doc Emerick..

[95Crash]

I thought there was more to that rule than just what that guy read on TSN. When Doc and Chico pulled out the rulebook on the postgame, the rule also said something to the effect of: if the contact is incidental, the player still has to have made an effort to avoid contact. And that is what Chico took issue with. He didn't feel that Jokinen tried to avoid contact.

Nevertheless, I don't think the game should've come down to that anyway. The Devils defense sucked, to put it bluntly.

Edited by 95Crash, 21 April 2009 - 11:36 PM.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

Hmm. I think Chico knows best.

[devilsrule33]

Brodeur initiated that contact almost as much as Jokinen. It was a quick bump and that was it...

Pang did bring up something interesting with Brodeur taking his sweet ass time on the final few seconds of the game. He kind of was getting ready for OT there it seemed.

[95Crash]

It is interesting. There seems to be slightly conflicting rules on this issue in the same rulebook.

Bob McKenzie from TSN read this part of the rulebook:

Table 18 - Rule 69 - Interference on the Goalkeeper
Interference on the Goalkeeper Situations

Situation 2 - THE GOALKEEPER IS OUT OF THE GOAL CREASE.

B. An attacking player makes incidental contact with the goalkeeper at the time a goal is scored. Goal is allowed.

Link:
http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=26557


Doc and Chico read this part of the rulebook:

Rule 69 - Interference on the Goalkeeper

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player�s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words,goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper�s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact. The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.

Link:
http://www.nhl.com/i...ge.htm?id=26480

[Biggie B]

As frustrating as it may be, that was just a bad decision by Marty. The contact was as much, if not more, his fault as it was Jokinen's. No point crying over spilled milk now. LETS GO DEVILS!

Edited by Biggie B, 22 April 2009 - 12:12 AM.

[babrooks213]

While extremely frustrating and discouraging, I have to say, they never should have gotten to this point in the first place. They fell too far behind. That's what killed them.

[pattyelias]

After seeing the replay a bunch, I don't think their was interference from Jokinen. The 3rd goal is another matter entirely. Bayda drove to the net, into the crease and then into Brodeur, pinning Marty back which DIRECTLY led to the goal. That was a joke. No question in my mind whether that goal should've been waived off and the Devils put on the PP. After the refs let that go, I think Marty felt he was owed a makeup call.

[NJDevils1214]

After watching the replay our D man got it in the corner and instead of just holding it there for the 3-4sec left decided to "attempt" to clear the puck from the zone and it wound up right on the Carolina Dmans stick. I guess its thoes decisions that decide games some times. Oh well as pissed as I am, I need to get over it and realize its over now and whats done is done.

[hattrick]

While extremely frustrating and discouraging, I have to say, they never should have gotten to this point in the first place. They fell too far behind. That's what killed them.

Totally agree.

Play 60 minutes, not 25 minutes.

[Jimmy Leeds]

Yeah, split second decision by Martin. He had Mottau to pass to behind the goal, he was open.....but he wants to get it out of the zone.

Mottau ended up tipping the shot right by Marty

[UnderDogX]

As Pang pointed out I've been saying all series that Marty looks slow after the save. He gets up slow, he moves around slow, and he watches the puck go into the corners before getting up. He might not be 100% and not meaning the injury isn't healed but he's not at top form physically whether its age, injury, or conditioning and he needs to compensate...like they pointed out, the Ref didn't want to make the call and have a PP start the OT so he was expecting OT as was Marty.

Play through the whistle end of story and there is no goal.

[Undersold]

Look at this screenshot of the puck going past Marty (the black blur just to the left of his left skate - incidentally, this is where a pair of Jiggy Puff pads would've done the job... they compensate for goalies with poor positioning). Make no mistake -- Marty is not set here (he is inches away from deflecting the puck because he isn't in his full butterfly), and if you watch that overhead replay in slow motion, you'll see why and exactly how it unfolds. This is a save he makes easily if he doesn't get bumped on the right side of the crease and has time to get over.



The goal should've been waved off.

Edited by Undersold, 22 April 2009 - 08:34 AM.

[squishyx]

Look at this screenshot of the puck going past Marty (the black blur just to the left of his left skate - incidentally, this is where a pair of Jiggy Puff pads would've done the job... they compensate for goalies with poor positioning). Make no mistake -- Marty is not set here (he is inches away from deflecting the puck because he isn't in his full butterfly), and if you watch that overhead replay in slow motion, you'll see why and exactly how it unfolds. This is a save he makes easily if he doesn't get bumped on the right side of the crease and has time to get over.



The goal should've been waved off.

No, Marty should have been in position and not taken the last few seconds off. It's a tough break but if it was us who scored in the similar circumstances I would have been pissed if it didn't count. He has his blue paint if he never wants to be touched, you can't waive off a goal because Marty strolled out to far to tap another player.

Edited by squishyx, 22 April 2009 - 08:43 AM.

[sundstrom]

Should of, could of, would of,

should HAVE, could HAVE, would HAVE


you fail 8th grade english according to the nutjob teacher I had that would give an F on a paper if this mistake was made

[hattrick]

should HAVE, could HAVE, would HAVE


you fail 8th grade english according to the nutjob teacher I had that would give an F on a paper if this mistake was made

What about shoulda, coulda, woulda? Would that suffice.

[RowdyFan42]

No, Marty should have been in position and not taken the last few seconds off. It's a tough break but if it was us who scored in the similar circumstances I would have been pissed if it didn't count. He has his blue paint if he never wants to be touched, you can't waive off a goal because Marty strolled out to far to tap another player.

Didn't Marty say very recently that he thinks the crease is too small?