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#21 NJDevs4978

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:49 PM

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I think its time for new choices.. what are we suppose to do if we cant get past the first round in the next 5 years? stay the course because you want drink kool aid? Grow up - everything changes.


So we should fire one of a handful of GM's that have made the playoffs every year since the lockout just because he hasn't won a Cup since 2003? Man I'd hate to see some of you as Islander fans.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 10:55 PM

So we should fire one of a handful of GM's that have made the playoffs every year since the lockout just because he hasn't won a Cup since 2003? Man I'd hate to see some of you as Islander fans.


If a team with the greatest goaltender of all time didn't consistently make the playoffs, it'd be pretty sad. Also, again, most of the success post 2003 has still been because of players acquired before the lockout, or from the farm system. The trades and signings that Lou has made since 2003 have pretty consistently NOT helped matters. It's unbelievable that people can think Lou has done a good job since we last won the cup. If Marty didn't voluntarily take a paycut we'd be in even worse trouble.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:00 PM

If a team with the greatest goaltender of all time didn't consistently make the playoffs, it'd be pretty sad. Also, again, most of the success post 2003 has still been because of players acquired before the lockout, or from the farm system. The trades and signings that Lou has made since 2003 have pretty consistently NOT helped matters. It's unbelievable that people can think Lou has done a good job since we last won the cup. If Marty didn't voluntarily take a paycut we'd be in even worse trouble.



I don't care what Lou has to do- he's gotta get Bouwmeester. It's not everyday you get a shot at a guy like that. And there's nothing this team needs more than a big-time defenseman.
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Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:03 PM

If a team with the greatest goaltender of all time didn't consistently make the playoffs, it'd be pretty sad. Also, again, most of the success post 2003 has still been because of players acquired before the lockout, or from the farm system. The trades and signings that Lou has made since 2003 have pretty consistently NOT helped matters. It's unbelievable that people can think Lou has done a good job since we last won the cup. If Marty didn't voluntarily take a paycut we'd be in even worse trouble.


I knew someone would use the Brodeur line. Fact is Scott Clemmensen and Kevin Weekes (32 wins) had a bit more to do with making the playoffs this year than Brodeur did (18 wins). That alone should negate that argument.

The farm system doesn't count? That's part of Lou's job description. Since the lockout we've had Parise, Zajac, Oduya and Clarkson become key regulars on a team already filled with vets. Less than half this team was here before the lockout.

I'm not saying he's done a great job, his FA imports have clearly left a ton to be desired (as have his coaching choices for that matter) but it certainly isn't fire-worthy. Especially given his track record which should earn a lot more leeway than spoiled fans are willing to give.

Name me one GM available that has a better track record than Lou that you want to bring in to replace him. And if you want to say we need new blood for the sake of new blood, you'd better be prepared to accept the risk that things are far more likely to get worse than better under the next GM.

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Posted 27 April 2009 - 11:06 PM

If a team with the greatest goaltender of all time didn't consistently make the playoffs, it'd be pretty sad. Also, again, most of the success post 2003 has still been because of players acquired before the lockout, or from the farm system. The trades and signings that Lou has made since 2003 have pretty consistently NOT helped matters. It's unbelievable that people can think Lou has done a good job since we last won the cup. If Marty didn't voluntarily take a paycut we'd be in even worse trouble.


ask those GMs that had the "Great" Luongo too.... 2 playoff appearances in his "2nd best guy in the league" career
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:20 AM

ask those GMs that had the "Great" Luongo too.... 2 playoff appearances in his "2nd best guy in the league" career


What he said.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 06:21 AM

I don't care what Lou has to do- he's gotta get Bouwmeester. It's not everyday you get a shot at a guy like that. And there's nothing this team needs more than a big-time defenseman.


he's not going to be able to. hate to break it to you but the money isn't there.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:04 AM

I'm not saying he's done a great job, his FA imports have clearly left a ton to be desired (as have his coaching choices for that matter) but it certainly isn't fire-worthy. Especially given his track record which should earn a lot more leeway than spoiled fans are willing to give.

Name me one GM available that has a better track record than Lou that you want to bring in to replace him. And if you want to say we need new blood for the sake of new blood, you'd better be prepared to accept the risk that things are far more likely to get worse than better under the next GM.

I couldn't agree with you more. Lou didn't exactly do the best of jobs in the FA market, Zubrus and Rolston seem like awful contracts (I'd give Brian a chance to prove us wrong next season though), but at least it didn't make the team worse. Look at all these teams that dish out huge money to UFAs. Look at the Rangers. Yeah, they are truly great. :rolleyes: And NJ was still better than expected last year: they made the playoffs, although a lot of people picked them to fall apart after losing Gomez and Rafalski (who Lou couldn't re-sign, not for the money they demanded...). Lou keeps the Devils competitive year after year. Lack of playoff success might be frustrating for people who can't live without their team making three Stanley Cup Final appearences in four years, but other than the Red Wings, I don't see any club being dominant year after year in the NHL.

That being sad, I' happy with LL being done with his business stuff. Vanderbeek has already done a good job hiring that marketing guy and with even more new blood, let's hope the Devils can get better at marketing themselves, drawing fans and generating income.

I don't care what Lou has to do- he's gotta get Bouwmeester. It's not everyday you get a shot at a guy like that. And there's nothing this team needs more than a big-time defenseman.

Dream on. I'll be happy if we can re-sing Oduya and lock Zajac.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:24 AM

This is the beginning of the end. Hopefully Lou can work without having full control over every aspect of the franchise, but I'm going to guess he's not going to like butting heads with someone over team decisions regarding promotion, finances etc.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:57 AM

Great timing for such a press release
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:59 AM

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:00 AM

this is huge news and a positive step for the franchise.


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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:02 AM

Whoa, when did you change your avatar?
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:05 AM

So we should fire one of a handful of GM's that have made the playoffs every year since the lockout just because he hasn't won a Cup since 2003? Man I'd hate to see some of you as Islander fans.

Why are we satisfied with barely making the playoffs, getting embarrassed in round 1 or looking at teams behind us? Lou's own philosophy is 'anything other than winning the cup is failure' so the buck must stop there with his decisions. Im not saying someone would make better choices - but they have to be different. Why is it so wrong for some of you to say 'I will not drink the Kool aid?
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:09 AM

It's about damn time. I doubt he's upset. He and VBK probably discussed and agreed on things. Hopefully they hire a marketing genius.


And hopefully that marketing genius recognizes the opportunity here in Trenton. 2700 average *announced* attendance ain't going to cut it. Huge opportunity to grow the Devils brand overall but they need to take advantage of it aggressively.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:10 AM

Why are we satisfied with barely making the playoffs, getting embarrassed in round 1 or looking at teams behind us? Lou's own philosophy is 'anything other than winning the cup is failure' so the buck must stop there with his decisions. Im not saying someone would make better choices - but they have to be different. Why is it so wrong for some of you to say 'I will not drink the Kool aid?


because you can't change the past. what you are asking is 'hey instead of trading away all of our picks like we did in 2004, let's instead not do that and somehow win despite that'. lou is still one of the best general managers in the game even if somehow new jersey loses game 7 (which you seem to regard as an inevitability).
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:13 AM

TG is reporting this is inaccurate. Vanderbeek said they hired the firm to look for an arena executive to handle all things Rock. The Devils will remain Lou's.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:19 AM

even if somehow new jersey loses game 7 (which you seem to regard as an inevitability).

I fully expect them to win tonight -- even with rolston in the lineup.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:44 AM

I don't care what Lou has to do- he's gotta get Bouwmeester. It's not everyday you get a shot at a guy like that. And there's nothing this team needs more than a big-time defenseman.


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Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:47 AM

TG is reporting this is inaccurate. Vanderbeek said they hired the firm to look for an arena executive to handle all things Rock. The Devils will remain Lou's.


That's too bad.
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