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[nstygoaltender30]

its always easy to blame the goalie, so a$$holes always do that. What they dont realize is it is the defense and wingers not backchecking that also lead to goals. Staal burned the defense down the boards, time after time Carolina wingers burned the D down the boards to generate some offense. Time after time devils could not clear the zone or turned it over. How many backdoor goals have to go in before the defense realizes they have to cover the passing lane for that man?

You can not expect a goalie to stop a back door shot when the pass is coming from the point, he has to challenge the man with the puck.

Everyone expects Brodeur to be able to do everything, stop everything. Not possible. His responsibility is the man with the puck, not the pass.

So tell the defense to take away the backdoor, tell the defense to clear the zone and there you go.. Theres a couple goals gone already and there is atleast 2 wins in the series.

And as for Brodeur has never done anything or carried the team, how about 1995?? Like you said that was in the past, but to say he has never carried them? Detroit peppered Marty.

Devils lost as a team, they gave up late goals and they did not produce. Lets not forget they did lose 4-0... Thats marty's fault too right?? He gave up a goal and devils didnt score, so lets blame that one on him as well.

[nmigliore]

Somewhere a Rags,Pens,Canes,Flyers fan is laughing

Yeah like any Flyers or Rags fans have any room to talk

[Jerrydevil]

People are just blowing off steam, I think, not thinking it through before typing.

The criticism of Brodeur is warranted. He was part of a team that crumbled in the last 1:30 in Game 7. But offering to pack his suitcase is rash to say the least, just like it was rash when people screamed about ripping the C off Stevens' jersey in 1998 and 1999.

Right, Pepperkorn?

[peteyvegas]

I'd hate to see Marty go. But would it kill the coach to pull him once in a while when he's not on his game. They're afraid he's going to act like Roy, I guess.

[LIDevsFan1]

What I wouldn't mind is exploring the possibility of a blockbuster trade getting back young talent/picks that will let them rebuild as a real contender 2-3 years down the road. I can just as soon live w/o these first/second round exits for that long if it meant coming back stronger then.

[devlman]

All I know is Brodeur was poor in goal last night....and he's lost a step

Edited by devlman, 29 April 2009 - 10:38 AM.

[SatansDevils]

Some of you should be embarrassed to be Devils fans. To pin this Game 7 loss on Brodeur is just plain stupid and some need their heads fvcking examined. Brodeur is not the reason the Devils lost Game 7. It was a team effort and it was mostly the veterans that did not step up, the defense with Mottau, Havelid and White were just terrible for most of this series and of course not scoring on the PP did this Devils team in again in another first round KO.

Brodeur is not the reason here and this really needs to stop because some are looking really clueless right now. Brodeur is the reason the Devils had a Game 7 and was even with Carolina in this series. Brodeur still is one of the best in the NHL and he is the best of all-time. Wake up fans, Brodeur isn't going anywhere.

Edited by SatansDevils, 29 April 2009 - 10:40 AM.

[theamazingtiny]

If we lose he sucks if we win he's the best. That about sums it up right?

[LizDevil30]

I've yet to see an average team with a great goaltender WIN the Stanley Cup, well at least in the last 16 years. Maybe you can help me out? The best TEAM wins the Cup, it's much more then just goaltending. Could we have used a superhuman performance last night? Yeah maybe. But it would have also helped if our fvcking defense could clear a puck, or if our top line didn't get pinned in their own fvcking zone for over a minute.

I agree. On the other hand, there's been a great team with an average goalie win the Cup. Osgood and Detroit.

[Vinnie]

4.00 GAA .882 SVPCT over two series-clinching games is indefensible.

[SatansDevils]

Brodeur was solid in net for most of the game and in the 3rd period until there was 1:20 left to go in the game as the team just stood around Brodeur hoping he would save them once again. It is a team effort and the defense and some of the veterans let Brodeur down, so instead of blaming Brodeur, some need to look at players like Havelid, Mottau, White, Zubrus, Elias, Rupp and Holik who played like sh!t in this series. Those are the ones who let this team down and Brodeur. To see some of you devils fans blaming Brodeur for this Game 7 loss is just as shocking as the last 80-seconds of Game 7. Christ!

[LOTCB]

First off as a Sabres fan and someone who has been through those heart breaking, gut wrenching losses myself (no need to recount them, they speak for themselves), I can honestly say I felt bad for a lot of you last night, when I watched the replay and heard through my friend a Devil fan on the phone as to how it happened in real time, I was completely stunned, and still am.

What I have come to realize about great players is this: Great players generally might not do EVERYTHING at a great level. Of course, Patrick Roy is considered to be one of the best money goalies of all-time, but he had some seasons that were marginal stat-wise. Hasek was a guy who took a team on his back and took marginal teams to the conference Finals, and even the Stanley Cup, but he broke down at times during his career. Marty might not steal more games then other great goalies ever did, but Brodeur does things better then Roy and Hasek ever did. Consistency. Winning. Playing the puck. The point is, it has been proven that Marty isn't the greatest goalie to have in a tight spot at times, or in overtime, but in no way does that mean IMO that he should be shipped out of town etc.

Have some of you forgotten some of the BIG games he won, Game 7 AT Ottawa in the ECF, Game 6 AT Dallas in the 2000 Stanley Cup. I am not a complete expert on Devils history, but I hope you understand where I am going with this.

Just over a month ago, this board celebrated Marty as he should: Most wins of all-time, an electric atmosphere indeed. Now, he needs to be shipped out of town? These are temporary emotions, I know it, and again, I understand.

The point is for Marty, when you have a career that includes a TON of big playoff games, and YEARS of greatness, you win some big games, and you lose some.

[britoon]

If we lose he sucks if we win he's the best. That about sums it up right?

Just said the same thing.

It's the way it always is on this board.

Brodeur does something amazing...everyone sucks his dick.
Brodeur loses a game...everyone wants to trade him.

We have retards as fans.

[Don]

'7', you've really, really embarrassed yourself the past 12 hours.

I have to disagree with this statement immensely. It is quite inaccurate to suggest this is limited to the past 12 hours.

I think Chimaira hit it spot on. There is nobody better that is available. Unless you think Clemmensen is better. And if you think that I think you need to re-watch the games he played. Yeah, he won, but it was an adventure each and every game.

And these so-called "softies" are let in by every goaltender. Even the god-of-gods Luongo has been letting them throughout the regular season. Brodeur's save percentage was .929 in the 7 games. If you want a goalie that is going to do better than that, you are asking for the near impossible. Even 7's beloved Mike Richter was only .921 in '94. Most years he was far, far below that.

[LizDevil30]

Clutch goals wins series just as much as clutch saves do. (Don's mention of Richter in '94 made me think of it.)

[TheIceDog]

I know he is the face of the franchise, but i think his time here is almost done. I know its easy for people on sportscenter who never watch a devils game then look at brodeurs numbers and say he is the best goalie ever. But for me, i watched 90% of his games here in NJ and he has the numbers but I don't find him to be a great puck stopping goalie.

What i think brodeur is amazing at, is directing rebounds, playing the puck outside the crease, and assisting in breakouts. But when it comes to making the key saves and DEFINITELY not chocking, time and time again he fails. I have been through too many play-off years ending on soft soft goals by him.

He played the majority of his years behind the best defensive core in hockey, look at clemenson this year, he put up identical #'s as brodeur has done for the past years. Brodeur was a young rookie, in the right spot at the right time, just as an amazing defensive team was being born.

Lets get a young kid in here that wants to stand on his head and win a stanley cup

Yeah, Brodeur just woke up one day and won:

3 Stanley Cup rings
4 Eastern Conference championships
10 Atlantic Division banners
Led the Devils to the playoffs 15 out of his 16 years
An Olympic Gold medal

Oh yeah and:

1993-94 NHL Calder Memorial Trophy
1996-97 NHL William M. Jennings Trophy
1997-98 NHL William M. Jennings Trophy
2002-03 NHL Vezina Trophy
2002-03 NHL William M. Jennings Trophy
2003-04 NHL Vezina Trophy
2003-04 NHL William M. Jennings Trophy
2006-07 NHL Vezina Trophy
2007-08 NHL Vezina Trophy

and not to mention:

1993-94 NHL NHL All-Rookie Team (1st)
1996-97 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)
1997-98 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)
2002-03 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)
2003-04 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)
2005-06 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)
2006-07 NHL NHL All-Star Team (1st)
2007-08 NHL NHL All-Star Team (2nd)

as well as a couple of All-Star appearances:

1996 NHL
1997 NHL
1998 NHL
1999 NHL
2000 NHL
2001 NHL
2003 NHL
2004 NHL
2007 NHL

and we should not forget about a little record called all-time career wins:

1993-94 NHL 27 (10)
1994-95 NHL 19 (5)
1995-96 NHL 34 (3)
1996-97 NHL 37 (2)
1997-98 NHL 43 (1)
1998-99 NHL 39 (1)
1999-00 NHL 43 (1)
2000-01 NHL 42 (1)
2001-02 NHL 38 (2)
2002-03 NHL 41 (1)
2003-04 NHL 38 (1)
2005-06 NHL 43 (1)
2006-07 NHL 48 (1)
2007-08 NHL 44 (2)
Active 557 (1)
Career NHL 557 (1)

not to mention just a few shutouts:


1993-94 NHL 3 (8)
1994-95 NHL 3 (7)
1995-96 NHL 6 (2)
1996-97 NHL 10 (1)
1997-98 NHL 10 (2)
1999-00 NHL 6 (2)
2000-01 NHL 9 (3)
2002-03 NHL 9 (1)
2003-04 NHL 11 (1)
2005-06 NHL 5 (4)
2006-07 NHL 12 (1)
2007-08 NHL 4 (9)
2008-09 NHL 5 (9)
Active 101 (1)
Career NHL 101 (2)

as well as his GAA ranking:

1993-94 NHL 2.40 (2)
1994-95 NHL 2.45 (10)
1995-96 NHL 2.34 (5)
1996-97 NHL 1.88 (1)
1997-98 NHL 1.89 (2)
1999-00 NHL 2.24 (8)
2001-02 NHL 2.15 (6)
2002-03 NHL 2.02 (4)
2003-04 NHL 2.03 (4)
2005-06 NHL 2.57 (10)
2006-07 NHL 2.18 (3)
2007-08 NHL 2.17 (5)
2008-09 NHL 2.42 (10)
Active 2.21 (1)
Career NHL 2.21 (8)

oh and we need to add:

1995-96 NHL 1781 (6)
1996-97 NHL 1513 (10)
1998-99 NHL 1566 (7)
1999-00 NHL 1636 (8)
2000-01 NHL 1596 (6)
2002-03 NHL 1559 (10)
2003-04 NHL 1691 (6)
2005-06 NHL 1918 (2)
2006-07 NHL 2011 (1)
2007-08 NHL 1921 (2)
Active 22954 (2)
Career NHL 22954 (3)

as well as:

1993-94 NHL .915 (4)
1995-96 NHL .911 (7)
1996-97 NHL .926 (3)
1997-98 NHL .917 (5)
2006-07 NHL .922 (3)
2007-08 NHL .920 (8)
Active .914 (5)
Career NHL .914 (6)

And of course we need to add as well:


Most victories, one season:

48 - Martin Brodeur 2006-07
47 - Bernie Parent 1973-74 (Philadelphia)
47 - Roberto Luongo 2006-07 (Vancouver)
46 - Evgeni Nabokov 2007-08 (San Jose)

Most combined regular season and playoff games, one season:

97 - Martin Brodeur 2000-01 (25 playoffs)
97 - Martin Brodeur 2002-03 (24 playoffs)
95 - Martin Brodeur 1999-2000 (23 playoffs)

Most combined regular season and playoff victories, one season:

59 - Martin Brodeur 1999-2000 (16 playoffs)
59 - Bernie Parent, Philadelphia 1973-74 (12 playoffs)

Most combined regular season and playoff victories, career:

702 - Patrick Roy (151 playoffs)
644 - Martin Brodeur (95 playoffs)

Most combined regular season and playoff shutouts, career:

122 - Martin Brodeur (22 playoffs)
115 - Terry Sawchuk (12 playoffs)

Most combined regular season and playoff games played, career:

1,276 -- Patrick Roy (247 playoffs)
1,153 -- Martin Brodeur (169 playoffs)

Most seasons with 30 victories or more:

13 - Patrick Roy
12 - Martin Brodeur

Most consecutive seasons with 30 victories or more:

12 - Martin Brodeur 1995-96 to 2007-08
8 - Patrick Roy 1995-96 to 2002-03

Most seasons with 40 victories or more:

7 - Martin Brodeur
3 - Terry Sawchuk
3 - Jacques Plante

Most consecutive seasons with 40 victories or more:

3 - Martin Brodeur 2005-06 to 2007-08
2 - Terry Sawchuk 1950-51 to 1951-52 (Detroit)
2 - Bernie Parent 1973-74 to 1974-75 (Philadelphia)
2 - Ken Dryden 1975-76 to 1976-77 (Montreal)
2 - Martin Brodeur 1999-2000 to 2000-01
2 - Miikka Kiprusoff 2005-06 to 2006-07 (Calgary)

Most games by a goaltender who has played his entire career for one team:

984 - Martin Brodeur
667 - Mike Richter (NY Rangers)

Most victories by a goaltender who has played his entire career for one team:

549 - Martin Brodeur
302 - Turk Broda (Toronto)

Most shootout victories, career:

27 - Martin Brodeur
26 - Henrik Lundqvist

Most shootout victories, one season:

10 - Martin Brodeur 2006-07
10 - Ryan Miller 2006-07 (Buffalo)
10 - Mathieu Garon 2007-08 (Edmonton)
9 - Marc-Andre Fleury 2006-07 (Pittsburgh)

How was it possible that Brodeur was able to have the most wins in NHL history?

Hmmm, perhaps the rest of the entire world is wrong and you're the correct one. Marty Brodeur is an overrated netminder who really hasn't accomplished anything. Forget about all of his NHL records and trophies, means nothing, huh?

No sense putting on blame on Niclas Havelid who failed miserably twice to clear the zone while the Devils desperately needed a line change. Marty's fault, I know. It also wasn't Havelid's fault for leaving his man uncovered in the slot on an easy tap in goal from Jokinen which tied the game. Again, I know, Marty's fault. Let's also not fault Havelid for not blocking the cross crease pass to his uncovered man with the game and series on the line. Once again, the fault lies with Marty.

Yeah, Brodeur has been a terrible goalie for his entire career, you're right.

I wonder........how the hell can such a horrendous netminder play in this league for so long?

[Devil Fan]

I think Brodeur's ex-wife plays a major role in this (similar to Lauren Pronger) as Marty doesn't play like the same since his EX got the best out of him.

a) since Marty has a no-trade clause, he can re-focus and let's see what happens
b)buy him out. 1.74M cap hit for the next 6 years and sign Clemmer long-term.

I would still think Lou will keep Marty because of the economy struggle and the history of Brodeur

[Cachorro Louco]

I Like to believe he is not 100% recovered from his cirurgy, in both Physical and mental. So I will wait until next season before saying anityhing about he has to retire or not.

[Prucenterrules]

Why the hell would we get rid of Marty? This is rediculous. I know we are all upset but we all need to chill a little bit. It's not all Marty's fault. He can't go down the ice and score or clear the puck out everytime. Our offense and defense needed to step up. Only our offense did yesterday and that was why we lost.

[American_Psycho]

I'd quote Maddog's post, but I don't want to make the page even longer. But yeah, one cannot overlook those accomplishments. Whether he had a trapping defense in front of him or not, that is a sh!tload of accolades most goalies dream of someday attaining. The loss to the fvcking Divecanes was not his fault, nowhere near his fault. The team definitely overachieved this year, and a no-name defense can only carry you so far. That's the reality.