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#41 njd3b1ink

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 05:47 PM

I think getting Koivu would help alot. Mostly cause he would most likely be centering Elias and Elias has not had a good playmaking center since Gomez. Even without a good playmaker Elias has put up good points. I think Koivu would solidify the top 2 lines very well.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:01 PM

This guy has a choice between playing with his brother, or playing with his good friend Teemu in ANA.

If we're going to lure him over, we're either going to need to use years or a ridonkulus one year deal that will make people pass out.

Why else would he come here?


...maybe I'm wrong, but I feel Saku may want to come to New Jersey because of the small market, after playing over a decade in a place like Montreal. I also feel the longer this goes on, the more it may very well favor the Devils. Let's face it... there's no bigger bargaining chip than family. (just ask Nied's & Brent) Tommorrow is now the 4th day into free agency... why would he wait so long in the first place? If he wanted to play with his brother, wouldn't he have signed w/the Wild by now? And as far as Teemu goes, he's going to play with him one way or another next season anyway. (olympics) I can't see him going to the Ducks for Selanne & Selanne alone. New Jersey is (imo) a better team, where he'll play a bigger role, and it's alot closer to Montreal to boot.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:08 PM

...maybe I'm wrong, but I feel Saku may want to come to New Jersey because of the small market, after playing over a decade in a place like Montreal. I also feel the longer this goes on, the more it may very well favor the Devils. Let's face it... there's no bigger bargaining chip than family. (just ask Nied's & Brent) Tommorrow is now the 4th day into free agency... why would he wait so long in the first place? If he wanted to play with his brother, wouldn't he have signed w/the Wild by now? And as far as Teemu goes, he's going to play with him one way or another next season anyway. (olympics) I can't see him going to the Ducks for Selanne & Selanne alone. New Jersey is (imo) a better team, where he'll play a bigger role, and it's alot closer to Montreal to boot.

Small Market = Anaheim (a lot smaller than NJ)
I can see the camaraderie of Teemu being the only other driving factor beyond Mikko. I think the hold being the Ducks working out their RFA's and still considering :
a.) Possibly bringing back Beauch, if his expectations finally get real
b.) Finding something to do with Puffy (god knows what)
I would say that maybe minus the Marty factor that ANA is pretty even w/NJ. Perhaps even a bit better,
The fact that we haven't beat them in 2 years speaks volumes I believe as well, in addition to the fact that they have been deeper into the playoffs than us in both 07, 08 (equally) and 09 ....
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:21 PM

Let's face it... there's no bigger bargaining chip than family. (just ask Nied's & Brent) Tommorrow is now the 4th day into free agency... why would he wait so long in the first place? If he wanted to play with his brother, wouldn't he have signed w/the Wild by now?

Nieds waited a few days to sign with Anaheim because even though he had already decided to play with his brother, he was playing the Devils and the Ducks off each other to get as much money from the Ducks as possible. Don't be surprised if that's what Koivu's doing.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:23 PM

I would like Koivu, because of his leadership and character and his perseverance. I will defend Koivu, because many people thought he would never be the same after his battle with stomach cancer, but he beat the odds and has become a better player and person. But he would be a nice addition to our hockey club and I know he will be very passionate and David Conte preaches personality more than anything along with Lou. Koivu said there is no time table for his decision, so I think we will have to wait til Sunday or Monday to find out where he lands.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:26 PM

Nieds waited a few days to sign with Anaheim because even though he had already decided to play with his brother, he was playing the Devils and the Ducks off each other to get as much money from the Ducks as possible. Don't be surprised if that's what Koivu's doing.



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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:36 PM

Nieds waited a few days to sign with Anaheim because even though he had already decided to play with his brother, he was playing the Devils and the Ducks off each other to get as much money from the Ducks as possible. Don't be surprised if that's what Koivu's doing.


I could have sworn he was trying to get the Ducks to sign Rob long-term before he'd sign with them...I do remember Rob signing a four-year deal like two million per at the same time.

I don't know what Koivu's doing but doubt we're getting him or that it's even feasible to give him a three or four-year deal. He would be a nice addition though.

Edited by Hasan4978, 03 July 2009 - 06:38 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 06:40 PM

Nieds waited a few days to sign with Anaheim because even though he had already decided to play with his brother, he was playing the Devils and the Ducks off each other to get as much money from the Ducks as possible. Don't be surprised if that's what Koivu's doing.


how could he play the Devils off the Ducks when the Devils immediately offered him the max money possible?

I think the whole thing was the pull of family vs. the max.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:13 PM

Well let's get real on one point. Signing Koivu for multiple years is not the death knell for Martin's Devil career. Pandolfo, Zubrus, and Salvador (8.8M [!!!]) would all be sent packing before Lou risked letting Martin walk away.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:38 PM

Well let's get real on one point. Signing Koivu for multiple years is not the death knell for Martin's Devil career. Pandolfo, Zubrus, and Salvador (8.8M [!!!]) would all be sent packing before Lou risked letting Martin walk away.


yea where are they going, pango pango? the devils have 44.3 committed in 2010-11 to 14 players. martin's walking if we sign koivu for more than a year. there is no way vanderbeek is letting lou stash more than one contract in the minors. and few teams have spots available to just hide contracts.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:44 PM

yea where are they going, pango pango? the devils have 44.3 committed in 2010-11 to 14 players. martin's walking if we sign koivu for more than a year. there is no way vanderbeek is letting lou stash more than one contract in the minors. and few teams have spots available to just hide contracts.

[obligatory comment about how zubrus is only overpaid by $1 million and is irreplaceable given the devils' current situation]

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:52 PM

yea where are they going, pango pango? the devils have 44.3 committed in 2010-11 to 14 players. martin's walking if we sign koivu for more than a year. there is no way vanderbeek is letting lou stash more than one contract in the minors. and few teams have spots available to just hide contracts.

[obligatory comment about how zubrus is only overpaid by $1 million and is irreplaceable given the devils' current situation]



Salvador and Zubrus could be traded and Pandolfo would have to be waived. Koivu isn't really worth tapdancing around the cap, but it could be done. Anyway, Lou isn't going to sign Koivu at the expense of Martin.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 07:56 PM

Salvador and Zubrus could be traded and Pandolfo would have to be waived. Koivu isn't really worth tapdancing around the cap, but it could be done. Anyway, Lou isn't going to sign Koivu at the expense of Martin.


my point is that there is nowhere to trade these guys unless we are also packaging assets along with them (e.g. salvador and zharkov for a phoenix 7th). if the salary cap goes down next year many teams are screwed, there's others who are close to screwed, there's toronto, and then there's the teams too broke to take on more contracts beyond what they've got on their plate.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 08:04 PM

Brian Pothier makes $2.5 million. Mike Van Ryn makes $2.9. Jim Vandermeer 2.3....Jason Smith 2.6...Ward 2.5. I think some team could take him in a year or two without the Devils having to give up a prospect.

Although...the more I think of this contract...the more I realize how bad it is. I didn't know Bryce was 33 already. Lou really had an ugly off-season last year.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 08:36 PM

I hope Koivu is signed to a one year deal just because with him as a solid center we can still avoid mediocrity, if the AHLers play well. No use signing him long term because we're really screwed until Rolston is gone anyway, so no use dismantling the team over him.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 08:45 PM

Lou mentioned at the draft that Josefson may be ready to rock as early as next year. I agree to try to sign koivu to a one year contract but saku wants more security than that. I think he'll make an immediate contribution between elias/bergfors.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 09:50 PM

I want koivu but if its true that we'll lose Martin if we sign him then no thanks koviu.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 11:02 PM

why would he want to play in nj?
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 11:04 PM

why would he want to play in nj?


a legitimate shot at the cup?
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 11:12 PM

a legitimate shot at the cup?


It's pretty widely accepted here that this team is 'being built for the future'. We're saving up to sign our own players in a few years. We can't possibly sign koivu for more than one year, and, just looking at all 30 teams for this one season, the devils aren't going to be at the top of the list to win the cup. if he was to sign a one year deal with a team hoping to win the cup, it wouldn't be with NJ. this isn't a team built for 'right now'.

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