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#341 HellOnICE

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:59 AM

Of course not, nor was Gainey, Carbonneau, Lehtinen or Drapper their teams just won Championships by happenstance.

Don't you have to pretend your doing something important about now?

But this is a different era Manta...and correct me if I am wrong, didn't Datsyuk play against Crosby...

Pittsburgh won without any HUGE AWESOME checking liner. You mention Jere Lehtninen, who's team has been a wreck in recent memory. The Ducks won Moen, Pahlsson and Niedermayer...all of which who were younger, faster than Madden.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 10:59 AM

Of course not, nor was Gainey, Carbonneau, Lehtinen or Drapper their teams just won Championships by happenstance.

Don't you have to pretend your doing something important about now?


Madden was pretty poor last season. We only have 2 games so far but a season of Niedermayer like this adds a lot more than last seasons Madden.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:02 AM

yeah i miss salmela too, he of the 0 power play points in 17 games with 3 minutes a game of power play time.


Odd that you put Salmella and PP together when I didnt relate the two in my post.

Why, what did Salmela do for us? I remember people talking about him the same way they talk about Murphy now and how they talked about Oduya 2 years ago.


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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:17 AM

But this is a different era Manta...and correct me if I am wrong, didn't Datsyuk play against Crosby...

Pittsburgh won without any HUGE AWESOME checking liner. You mention Jere Lehtninen, who's team has been a wreck in recent memory. The Ducks won Moen, Pahlsson and Niedermayer...all of which who were younger, faster than Madden.


zetterberg played against crosby, that i know for sure.

and the ducks broke up the moen, pahlsson, niedermayer trio last year and sent each to the four corners of the world because they weren't getting it done, none of them can score. staal is the huge awesome checking liner btw on pittsburgh.

the point is that a player who provides little or no offense is going to provide little defense as well. if you can't keep the puck in the other team's end it's coming back into yours. the future of the NHL is strength on strength.

Edited by Triumph, 06 October 2009 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:26 AM

zetterberg played against crosby, that i know for sure.

and the ducks broke up the moen, pahlsson, niedermayer trio last year and sent each to the four corners of the world because they weren't getting it done, none of them can score. staal is the huge awesome checking liner btw on pittsburgh.

the point is that a player who provides little or no offense is going to provide little defense as well. if you can't keep the puck in the other team's end it's coming back into yours. the future of the NHL is strength on strength.


Exactly what I was trying to say. A third line of Niedermayer-Zubrus-Clarkson could do this team much better than another year of Madden on it.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 11:32 AM

But this is a different era Manta...and correct me if I am wrong, didn't Datsyuk play against Crosby...

Pittsburgh won without any HUGE AWESOME checking liner. You mention Jere Lehtninen, who's team has been a wreck in recent memory. The Ducks won Moen, Pahlsson and Niedermayer...all of which who were younger, faster than Madden.


Agreed on the era, but the philosophy remains the same. Teams that are consistent contenders have this counter point to the opposition.

I think Datsyuk/Zetterberg & Crosby/Malkin are exceptions, I don't see the other 28 teams having that kind of unique firepower, we certainly don't, so, you play with the strengths you have.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 01:50 PM

Agreed on the era, but the philosophy remains the same. Teams that are consistent contenders have this counter point to the opposition.

I think Datsyuk/Zetterberg & Crosby/Malkin are exceptions, I don't see the other 28 teams having that kind of unique firepower, we certainly don't, so, you play with the strengths you have.



I think Travis and Zach have that potential to be our Datsyuk/Zetterberg - interms of their ability to counter attack the other team's #1 lines while producing on their own. I think they need to learn the finer points of the defensive game, and I firmly believe this is why Lemaire was brought in here.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:41 PM

I think Travis and Zach have that potential to be our Datsyuk/Zetterberg - interms of their ability to counter attack the other team's #1 lines while producing on their own. I think they need to learn the finer points of the defensive game, and I firmly believe this is why Lemaire was brought in here.



Respectfully disagree HOI:

I don't see Travis or Zach ever producing in the 90 point range. I think they are a great combo, but would never put them in a Datsyuk/Zetterberg type of category. I think those type of combo's are unique and will probably become even more rare in the upcoming years as team grapple with the salary cap.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:45 PM

i don't see zach parise producing 90 points ever either.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:49 PM

i don't see zach parise producing 90 points ever either.

Ever, ever? Or ever, this year? You're really going to say that Zach Parise is never going to get 90 points?
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:49 PM

i don't see zach parise producing 90 points ever either.


I can only hope thats sarcasm. You do know he hit 94 pts last year, right?

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:56 PM

I usually just come in with zero expectations. Especially with this team.



My expectations weren't all that high to begin with ...

Right. I mean I know we're the Devils, the team that always competes, but ... roughly speaking, we have one potential superstar, a handful of good-to-very good players, a bunch of role players and a bunch of question marks.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 02:59 PM

stupid images

yes i was being sarcastic

Edited by Triumph, 06 October 2009 - 03:01 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:58 PM

zetterberg played against crosby, that i know for sure.

and the ducks broke up the moen, pahlsson, niedermayer trio last year and sent each to the four corners of the world because they weren't getting it done, none of them can score. staal is the huge awesome checking liner btw on pittsburgh.

the point is that a player who provides little or no offense is going to provide little defense as well. if you can't keep the puck in the other team's end it's coming back into yours. the future of the NHL is strength on strength.


which is why I like the "vanilla grindy system" which is not fancy enough for the Pepperkorns of the world. if you reduce the game to half-court battles and can keep the puck in their court consistantly, you're well on the way to winning.
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 04:12 PM

It is only two games into the season BUT...

Is there too many young guys on this Devils team for the "youth movement" to begin? Just have to wonder after the first two games of the season. Right now I would have to think Shanahan would be a lot better than having Pikkaranen or Pelley in the line up right now. At least Shanahan gives the Devils a chance to score more goals than just 2 goals per game. It may also even be better to have Shanahan in the line up instead of Peters because the era of the goons and fighters are becoming extinct. Plus the devils have Clarkson in the line up for every game and we all know he can fight and score goals.

IMO, there is some roster spots right now that are just a waste of time and skates where Shanahan should fill that void. Just a bad move putting Shanahan on waivers.
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