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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:06 PM

hahahahahaha I'm as happy as the next guy about Peters being sat for Halischuk (not so much because he's awful but b/c i want to see more of matt), but he really has a knack for good nicknames.

PL3 = "The Hyphenater" LOL
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:36 PM

As long as we're bitching about the defense (something I'm fairly sure we'll be doing often this year), why the hell is Lemaire still using the same pairings Sutter used? Can we please put Martin with White and Mottau with Oduya or vice versa and get a puck-mover with a defensive guy please? I don't get it at all.

I agree I was really hoping a new coach would break up the pairings. I wouldn't mind experimenting with some new pairings early on in the season to see what works well.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:37 PM

It should be Mottau the fvck out instead of Murphy. :doh1:


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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:47 PM

I do think Murphy can help but he looked tentative offensively the first two games, like he was more worried about being burned on the back end. Maybe sitting out a game or three helps get him back to what he was in the preseason and late last year. At least we got the real waste out of the lineup in the enforcer who won't fight.


Murphy did look tentatitve, because he knew that his coach was the type that would bench him after only 2 games. He will never make an offensive impact if he has to play in terror of benching his entire time here. Mike green turns the puck over probably more than any other dman, and probably gives up more odd man rushes than any other dman, but you live with it cause of what he can do.

If murphy does that even once he's probably gone. Tough to pinch in and join the rush under those circumstances.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:57 PM

Murphy did look tentatitve, because he knew that his coach was the type that would bench him after only 2 games. He will never make an offensive impact if he has to play in terror of benching his entire time here. Mike green turns the puck over probably more than any other dman, and probably gives up more odd man rushes than any other dman, but you live with it cause of what he can do.

If murphy does that even once he's probably gone. Tough to pinch in and join the rush under those circumstances.


murphy's defensive zone play wasn't good, it's not about bad pinches. he doesn't have to live in terror of benching, i don't think lemaire is like sutter and i don't think if the devils start winning that andy greene will be in the lineup every night regardless of his play.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:58 PM

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pooooor poor Mike Mottau gets no respect or love on these boards.


Nor does our goalie............
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 06:09 PM

Nor does our goalie............


everybody knows brodeur is great though, i think people just get too hard on him for some games.

but mottau on the other hand is always the first guy people look to scratch out of the devils' lineup..
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:30 PM

Greene and Halischuk better stay in the line-up. They were both very solid tonight, especially Greene.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:43 PM

Greene and Halischuk better stay in the line-up. They were both very solid tonight, especially Greene.



+1.

Both played very well and need to stay in the line up for sure. Pandolfo played very well too. The defense still needs to work on their positioning because that second period was just awlful. Too many SOG (41) given up by the Devils tonight.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:13 PM

As long as we're bitching about the defense (something I'm fairly sure we'll be doing often this year), why the hell is Lemaire still using the same pairings Sutter used? Can we please put Martin with White and Mottau with Oduya or vice versa and get a puck-mover with a defensive guy please? I don't get it at all.


in the 3rd period it was Martin/Salvador and Oduya/Greene

it's a step at least.....
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:36 AM

sigh

pooooor poor Mike Mottau gets no respect or love on these boards.

Now that Weekes is gone he's got to have a new whipping boy for the season....
Now everytime we win it will be because Andy Greene was in the lineup.
Well, at least we start this ("battle of the mediocre defenseman") thing early this season.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 08:20 AM

in the 3rd period it was Martin/Salvador and Oduya/Greene

it's a step at least.....



I noticed that... but still not enough balance on all the pairings.

Edited by MadDog2020, 09 October 2009 - 09:48 AM.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 08:53 AM

Murphy has been horrible this year, the more he sits out the better.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 09:46 AM

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I don't think it's disrespect. He's a perfect 7th defenseman. He can play with anyone on the team, cause he's willing to stay at home, but not horrific on offense. He doesn't need to play every day. He's predictable. Most importantly, though, he has a low upside -- you can live without him being in the lineup. I think he should get decent playing time, cause Martin, White and Sal are all injury prone, and Greene and Murphy are small, but I think we should set up 3 good pairings without Motts, then shuffle him in and out.

I'd like to see Greene play for someone other than Sutter. I think Sutter fvcked with his head a lot and screwed up his development. The kid still shows flashes of upside. I don't know enough about Murphy, and if he's not good, we can always move Mottau back in, but I think he needs more games before we can just bench him.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 09:48 AM

everybody knows brodeur is great though, i think people just get too hard on him for some games.

but mottau on the other hand is always the first guy people look to scratch out of the devils' lineup..


40 saves and a win in a shootout and everybody just looks at the 3 goals. Apparently 82 shutouts is all that will please the masses.

As for Mottau, I don't know why he can't get any respect. Game in and game out, you know what you're getting from him. He's solid and making near league minimum. Why someone would prefer to have BOTH Murphy and Greene in the lineup with Mottau scratched is beyond me.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 09:48 AM

Anyone but Cory Murphy, please!!!

Greene needs to stay
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:58 PM

40 saves and a win in a shootout and everybody just looks at the 3 goals. Apparently 82 shutouts is all that will please the masses.

As for Mottau, I don't know why he can't get any respect. Game in and game out, you know what you're getting from him. He's solid and making near league minimum. Why someone would prefer to have BOTH Murphy and Greene in the lineup with Mottau scratched is beyond me.

Agreed.
I also agree that Andy should get a one last chance under a different coach than Sutter.
However, there are people here that would put a chimpanzee in the lineup every night if the team won the last game with that same lineup of personnel.

You have to laugh at the folks here that think that Mike Mottau, Rod Pelley, or Shannahan are the lynchpins on which the success or failure of this team lies upon.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 07:49 PM

Agreed.
I also agree that Andy should get a one last chance under a different coach than Sutter.
However, there are people here that would put a chimpanzee in the lineup every night if the team won the last game with that same lineup of personnel.

You have to laugh at the folks here that think that Mike Mottau, Rod Pelley, or Shannahan are the lynchpins on which the success or failure of this team lies upon.


Agreed. I just think Mottau is the perfect 7th d-man, and I don't mean that as an insult. I'd like to see us rotate 7 all season.

If Fraser can do it, I'd rather have him than Murphy or Greene, but that's a huge if, and I'm trying not to get that far ahead.
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 09:15 PM

I don't think it's disrespect. He's a perfect 7th defenseman. He can play with anyone on the team, cause he's willing to stay at home, but not horrific on offense. He doesn't need to play every day. He's predictable. Most importantly, though, he has a low upside -- you can live without him being in the lineup.


Funny you pretty much described Greene to a tee instead of Mottau. Especially since Mottau's been an every-day player pretty much since he joined the Devils, I don't know if he can handle sitting for two weeks, then going into the lineup. I know Greene can, that's why I don't mind the current arrangement with him and Murphy.

Mottau is better than a seventh defenseman, though he's probably a back-pairing d-man on a good D I still think he gets hurt by having an even slower slug with him (White). Put him with Oduya or Martin and he'd be valued a bit more highly I'd think.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 10:28 PM

Funny you pretty much described Greene to a tee instead of Mottau. Especially since Mottau's been an every-day player pretty much since he joined the Devils, I don't know if he can handle sitting for two weeks, then going into the lineup. I know Greene can, that's why I don't mind the current arrangement with him and Murphy.

Mottau is better than a seventh defenseman, though he's probably a back-pairing d-man on a good D I still think he gets hurt by having an even slower slug with him (White). Put him with Oduya or Martin and he'd be valued a bit more highly I'd think.


Greene's got better speed and a better shot. He also played the best hockey of his career his rookie season (pre Sutter) when he didn't have to worry about his job. When he's been looking over his shoulder, he's been mediocre. I see more mediocrity if he's a 7th d, but those flashes of talent make me think there's more to him. I'd like to see him get the shot to develop it. Maybe I'm wrong, because he's sure never put it together for long, but I don't see us finding out if he doesn't get a spot in the lineup that he really doesn't have to worry about for a few weeks. Even when he was a full time player last year, Lou was looking for someone else.

Mottau scares me because he's basically a finesse d-man with no speed. Fast, talented teams can burn him, as Carolina showed last year. If Greene/Murphy fail, then he's an all right back pairing guy, but best case scenario he's the first guy we sit. I'll admit pairing him with White is a disaster, but I'd still feel better with someone else in the lineup more often.

Also, like I said, I don't want him sitting for weeks. I'd rather have him working his way through the line up to keep Martin, Sal and White especially fresh, since all of them have been hurt in the past.
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