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#201 maxpower

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:23 PM

Hell, they played as much as they could because Kovy blew up in the 3rd period. Parise had 12 through 2, which is an 18 minute pace (again, playing all 3 units). I don't know what he finished with, but I'm guessing it was north of 20 because they had no choice.

It's not who they should play more, it's who they should play less. have some frigging balance and flow. if you give Zharkov and McAmmond 8 minutes as fourth liners, that leaves 52 minutes. the checkers with PK time (Rolston playing PP too), will end up around 14 or so, leaving 18-20 for the top lines. Kovy was on a 25 minute + pace in this game, and he would have gotten 25 + if Avery didn't remove him from the game. how are you rolling lines and generating any kind of flow in the game with someone playing that much?

and Triumph, you're not so fvcking stupid to know that they have plenty of PP points. especially one one point locking down so much time. they have two forward points and two D points, not counting Mottau, as you sarcastically pointed out.

i agree that kovalchuk probably should have left the ice earlier on that 2nd power play; as i was watching i was getting concerned with that too (fwiw i once saw al macinnis take a longer shift in a similar situation but that's neither here nor there). what i don't agree with is the fact that kovalchuk might have cost the devils the game, that's just moron talk.

i think that kovalchuk should get what the elite forwards in the game get ice-time wise. right now he leads all forwards in ice-time per game, but he should be right up there with crosby, ovechkin, etc. for ice time in a game. there is no reason not to play him 20+ minutes a game, he can handle it physically.


he didn't personally cost them the game, his use disrupted them and possibly could have cost them the game.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:27 PM

Hell, they played as much as they could because Kovy blew up in the 3rd period. Parise had 12 through 2, which is an 18 minute pace (again, playing all 3 units). I don't know what he finished with, but I'm guessing it was north of 20 because they had no choice.

It's not who they should play more, it's who they should play less. have some frigging balance and flow. if you give Zharkov and McAmmond 8 minutes as fourth liners, that leaves 52 minutes. the checkers with PK time (Rolston playing PP too), will end up around 14 or so, leaving 18-20 for the top lines. Kovy was on a 25 minute + pace in this game, and he would have gotten 25 + if Avery didn't remove him from the game. how are you rolling lines and generating any kind of flow in the game with someone playing that much?


as it was pointed out to you, kovalchuk's extra time basically came on the power play, not at even strength. i agree, i don't know how washington wins with ovechkin playing 21 minutes a game.

and Triumph, you're not so fvcking stupid to know that they have plenty of PP points. especially one one point locking down so much time. they have two forward points and two D points, not counting Mottau, as you sarcastically pointed out.


they have plenty of power play points that you hate and would point it out if they played too much.

he didn't personally cost them the game, his use disrupted them and possibly could have cost them the game.


it didn't and he didn't. as hasan pointed out, parise actually had more shifts - the overflow time is mostly from the power play and nothing else.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:55 PM

This game didn't bother me that much. It reminded me of when the Devils beat the rangers in the last game of the season against the rags in 2007, except I feel like we're in the ranger's position. Devils played horrible for three minutes and the Rangers are up 3-0. They really didn't play all that bad in the second other than those 3 min. The concerning thing is that the Devils have been playing a dangerous game lately. They are not covering players coming through the neutral zone like they normally do and on top of that, the defense men are making horrible outlet passes. Its pretty much been the way the defense has been playing for the past two or three weeks. I don't think it has anything to do with Kovalchuk. But they'll find their winning ways again.

Edited by The Facepainter, 06 February 2010 - 10:57 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:57 PM

i like what butch goring said tonight in regards to the goalie equipment.
hopefully the devils can find their game soon. they played great in the third.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:05 PM

Just got home. Lot of disappointed Devs fans at the game. raggot fans acted insulted that an opposing fanbase showed up in their building and then celebrated this win as if it would last a lifetime. That building is so damn corny. I always get a kick out of asking raggot fans who was the captain of the 1940 team.

i like what butch goring said tonight in regards to the goalie equipment.
hopefully the devils can find their game soon. they played great in the third.


what did goring say?
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 11:07 PM

although i hate losing to tht fvcking team i really cant be mad..devils outplayed the rags for all but 3 mins in the gm. The bottomline is tht henrik stole the show

some postives tht came from this gm was tht elias looked good and he'll get better next gm, zubbie is still playing great, mottau was amazing in the offensive zone (still sucks in d zone tho), and kovalchuk stepping up and beating the sh!t out of avery really told everyone that he is apart of this team...i hav a feeling we'll begin our winning ways at philly

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:01 AM

Kovalchuk staying on the ice for as long as he did on the PP bugged me. I'm not pinning the loss on him or anything but it bugged me.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:01 AM

We need to wake the fvck up! Mottau had a lot of point shots tonight, wtf is up with that? Rolston is a fvcking waste of space. Can't blame Marty for all 3 goals, but the 3rd was soft as sh!t. fvck Avery that motherfvcking piece of fvcking sh!t, starting sh!t with Kovy and then goes into the fvcking turtle! ++++
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:14 AM

The Devs have been sucking for weeks now. Marty hasn't been playing his A game either. How they won last night was a miracle on ice. Lemaire couldn't even explain it. Tonight was sadly typical 2010 Devils hockey. They have to right the ship. I think they will. I think Kovy will make an impact, but it won't happen overnight. BTW his name is Kovalchook. Not chuck! It's a Russian name. They don't chuck in Russian, they chook! I checked out the Russian spelling and it has "y" whick is oo in Russian. Hey 4 years of studying Russian makes me picky like that. :P But seems like no one gets it right and I guess Kovy doesn't care?
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:14 AM

Frustrating game but you can tell we're still not totally on the same page with Kovalchuk yet. Defense was too sloppy and missed some key pass blocks. Offense is almost there and when it clicks I think the floodgates will open. Hopefully at Philly.



I must say that Rolston is dragging us down. He looks so slow and listless. Maybe he has the flu.

The turning point in the game for me was when the Devs had the 5 on 3 PP and Rolston could not keep the puck in the zone. That just seemed to puncture the balloon. I really thought we would score first and keep the momentum going. But it went the other way.

Also Lundquist made some nice glove saves tonight.The only goal he gave up was on the stick side.

Also did anyone see that somewhat delayed hit on Kovy by Del Zotto? How does a 19 yr old rookie get away with that with no one else ringing his bell?

Oh well Buffalo lost as did the Sens and the Penguins so only the stupid Rags gained a little.
Nice to see the Zube line scoring. Once they start getting in synch with each other they will be very scary.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:19 AM

I must say that Rolston is dragging us down. He looks so slow and listless. Maybe he has the flu.


lol, if that's the case it's a two-year virus.

He's BEEN slow and listless ever since he came here, other than his one little spasm earlier this year where he actually had some life with Elias centering him. Sutter leaned on him, Lemaire's left him alone and neither's worked so what the heck do we do with him now aside from maybe getting a big-time center (since that's the only hope you have of getting anything out of him)?

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:25 AM

The Devs have been sucking for weeks now. Marty hasn't been playing his A game either. How they won last night was a miracle on ice. Lemaire couldn't even explain it. Tonight was sadly typical 2010 Devils hockey. They have to right the ship. I think they will. I think Kovy will make an impact, but it won't happen overnight. BTW his name is Kovalchook. Not chuck! It's a Russian name. They don't chuck in Russian, they chook! I checked out the Russian spelling and it has "y" whick is oo in Russian. Hey 4 years of studying Russian makes me picky like that. :P But seems like no one gets it right and I guess Kovy doesn't care?



I remember hearing an announcer a few years ago pronounce it "chook" but have heard every announced since say "chuck". Hmmmm....
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:27 AM

As disappointing as this was, the devils did not play awful tonight. They just lost it for about five minute in the 2nd, and (this is gonna hurt to say)...

Lundqvist played very well. :puke:



Hopefully the can put together a complete effort Monday and Wednesday (with me in attendance :D ) against Philly.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:37 AM

lol, if that's the case it's a two-year virus.

He's BEEN slow and listless ever since he came here, other than his one little spasm earlier this year where he actually had some life with Elias centering him. Sutter leaned on him, Lemaire's left him alone and neither's worked so what the heck do we do with him now aside from maybe getting a big-time center (since that's the only hope you have of getting anything out of him)?


You just can't do anything with him. What would really make me sick is if that fvcking contract was the difference in not signing Kovy.

I think it can work if we can figure out a way for SOMEONE to take him off our hands, even if we have to give another team something to do it...a la Malakhov.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:40 AM

You just can't do anything with him. What would really make me sick is if that fvcking contract was the difference in not signing Kovy.

I think it can work if we can figure out a way for SOMEONE to take him off our hands, even if we have to give another team something to do it...a la Malakhov.



If we cannot move him, is a buy out an option here?
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:48 AM

lol, if that's the case it's a two-year virus.

He's BEEN slow and listless ever since he came here, other than his one little spasm earlier this year where he actually had some life with Elias centering him. Sutter leaned on him, Lemaire's left him alone and neither's worked so what the heck do we do with him now aside from maybe getting a big-time center (since that's the only hope you have of getting anything out of him)?


there's nothing you can do expect exile him to the checking line, which is what is going to happen. and just hope he positionally plays well. I don't know if he's lost the will to fight, if Minny was just a good spot for him, or it's last contract syndrome, but he's not even the guy he was for us before we traded him for Claude. that guy didn't score much either, but he busted his ass out there.

at least Sutter pissed him off and he played a decent fourth line game in the playoffs relative to his ice-time. couldn't score in a whorehouse, but he played to a +
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 12:50 AM

You just can't do anything with him. What would really make me sick is if that fvcking contract was the difference in not signing Kovy.

I think it can work if we can figure out a way for SOMEONE to take him off our hands, even if we have to give another team something to do it...a la Malakhov.


Oy, I'd love for Lou to work his magic and put Rolston in a hat and NOT pull him back out this offseason. He's scored a few goals this year, but it just seems like they've all been inconsequential. I hate how he's so shaky with the puck. He can never seem to hold it in at the point. He takes too long to set up his shots and seems to think that he can just shoot through the defender standing directly in front of him. 5-on-5 he's nearly invisible. When we're healthy I just don't see how he's a top 6 player on this team (in fact, I doubt he is even with injuries) and that's way too much salary for a 3rd liner/crappy PP "specialist".

I was starting to not mind him as much earlier this year, but his limitations are just so painful to watch, and he's the killer of all offensive zone plays.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 01:42 AM

just got hom from the game after going out with some friends...

was in 314 BTW
that was Bruuuu-Tal man. in the first we were really taking it to them in the first 10 ten minutes. After they killed the 5-3 then retard niedmeyer took the penality i knew it was gonna get worse...and that it did. marty didnt play very good tonight and got beat by henrik, who really was on his game tonight. Rolston is now my most hated player on this team...him and niedmeyer. Guy took like 4 shots when a defender was standing right in front of him. Kovy cant be fighting like that at the end of a game. LOL at the Ranger fans celebrating like this was a fvcking cup win.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 01:45 AM

Dean McAmmond on the power play that is all that I left the garden thinking about from tonight's mishap

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 01:46 AM

Dean McAmmond on the power play that is all that I left the garden thinking about from tonight's mishap

but dude...mean dean dont fvck around
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