Oh yeah, I forgot about all those great defenses and running games Manning has been complimented with throughout his career. 
Elway lost Super Bowls with defenses that ranked in the top ten in the league in points- and yards-allowed twice. Manning won with a defense ranked in the bottom third of the league.
the quality of the "good team" back in the 80s and 90s was MUCH greater then the quality of the "good team" now... why?
No player movement... you got a good player he STAYED there... teams back then were more complete (hell you saw the same teams pretty much for most of a decade....it was all 49ers, Giants, Redskins, then Cowboys, with the Bears popping their head in there once)
84: 49ers, 85: Bears, 86: Giants, 87: Redskins, 88: 49ers, 89: 49ers, 90: Giants, 91: Redskins, 92: Dallas, 93: Dallas, 94: 49ers, 95: Dallas
12 years....5 teams, only one non-repeat winner.... and just about all those teams have mutliple hall of famers...compare that to the interchangeable talent now and the playoff turnover EVERY year
Elway's two teams that got destroyed.... KILLED... were WAY lesser to the hall of fame stacked 49ers and Giants teams they played against, even Marino's Dolphins were the same.... Manning's two teams were BETTER
and I said this last year when Dungy retired that with the talent they have there (2 Hall of Fame WR's, good backs in Adaai, James, game breakers like Freeney and Sanders)... the Colts should have won MORE already
it's not saying the guy's garbage... or that he's not a HOF player... he's just not in the conversation of "best of all time"... and the other guys are.... so???
Pay homage to the INCREDIBLE scoring goalie!!!! :-)
I saw CRASHER trip a kid on skates and then he stole the kids lunch money and slapped his mom when she came to pick him up.. All because the kid looked at his crease
CRASHER's official list of high stick victims from this forum:
gionta182, devilsfan26 .... WHO'S NEXT??
2005 Fantasy Football League Champion... Bow to my Football knowledge !!!!!!
2003-04 NJDevs.com winner of the Masterton Award for Dedication to the Devils(still proud of that one !)
4, Four (!?!?) Time (2005-2008) NJDevs.com winner of the Whoever the damn Award for the funniest poster in the land is named after...(geesh... post pressure, but I seem ok with it!)
TWO TIME (2005, 2006) Award Winner and the man who can show Jeremy Roenick what a
REAL loudmouth is all about.... hell this mouth roars SO loud, they retired the DAMN AWARD!!!! But how do you be emotional about an award for being most emotional when you're sharing it?
2008 NJDevs Stanley Cup Winner for best overall poster... where's my damn ring?
June 6, 2007... the NHL dies just a little bit.....
.. April 20, 2008...it gets a little better