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#81 MantaRay

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Posted 15 March 2010 - 12:52 PM

not to mention the Jets still don't scare anyone with their passing game... and look at the teams that get there every year... they throw the football and win with match-ups DOWN the field.... the "run and play defense" theory is a myth now and been phased out with the arena football concept of chucking the ball down the field!!



Yes, but even with that big O-Line Tomlinson doesn't scare anyone anymore and Green had the luxury of having Thomas Jones softening up the opposition and having the durablity to play every game. Not to mention the leadership that Jones provided and the fact that the O-line is pissed at losing Jones.
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 10:51 PM

In my opinion the Jets just weakened themselves tremendously at their strongest team facet: Running game.
Three headed monster???? That is the lamest monster in the league---assuming that A.) Washington is healthy, B.) he doesn't take other offers.

This is a very terrible move. Jones is a workhorse who softened opposition defenses and controlled the clock. Green looks to fragile to carry this kind of load, and Tomlinson should have just retired. In the past three years, Jones had almost 500 yards more than Tomlinson, even though LT had 100 more carries.

I don't know what the Jets are doing, and I have been an admirer of Tannenbaum, but LT looks like Brett Farve part II.


It's funny how people want to look at Tomlinson's stats from last year and say; :blahblah: "oh yeah, he's 30, he did nothing last season" :blahblah: ..yet no one wants to acknowledge Bennett's stunning 2.8 yrd per-carry average. Or the fact that Sproles did jack sh!t every time he got the ball. Or maybe watching Rivers run for his life on every snap, and get pressured the entire game.
Despite what people are calling a "down year".. last season, LT finished 5th in the NFL in rushing TD's. (a fact that many wish to dismiss) I can not wait for this season to start, just to show the doubters how effective LaDainian can be behind a quality offensive line. Let's see what Jones does with Kansas City come January, and compare statistics then.

And as far as last year goes.. TJ had 108 more touches than LT. At 3.5 yrds per carry, if you were to add as many attempts Jones ran for.. Tomlinson averages around 1,100 total, as opposed to Jones' 1,400. How much of those 300 extra yards were due to the Jets o'line? -You'll find out this season, so stayed tuned. :thumbsup: My Opinion? (if I may steal your Favre reference)... *MUCH like Favre proved with the Vikings last year, alot of people are going to owe LT an apology after this season is over.
Furthermore, @ 108 extra carries (by law of averages).. does LaDainian not score 20 TD's last season? I think that would have put him as #1 in the league in that category. :noclue:

*EDIT: And as far as Leon goes.. NOBODY'S going to sacrifice a 2nd Round Draft pick on Washington before seeing him play after surgery first-&-foremost, (so you can forget about him going elsewhere) and even if it takes some time for him to regain his form, his mere presence makes opposing defenses pinch.


*EDIT #2: ...and just because I loved this commercial even before LT became a Jet.......
...................here...... we.......GO!
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:22 AM

Things you might have missed:

*Most of the discussion on TOLT (The Other LT) was not just about last year, but the last 3 years of decline.

*If SD felt as strongly as you, they would have kept him, instead they felt that Sproles is more effective.

*The Jets O-line is disappointed in this move as a group. They even took out an ad in the KC paper congratulating TJ and wishing him luck as he was the spiritual leader of the offense the last two years. Although the ad comes allegedly from the TEAM, this was initiated to calm down the Jets O-line.

"I can tell you, it's not going to be a popular move in the locker room," said one player, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "We loved T.J. The man loved the game and put it all on the line only to get dumped after his best season. I think you should reward players for performance. You dump him but give Vernon (Gholston) another shot? Doesn't make sense." Zing-a-ling! Three other vets, offensive linemen Alan Faneca, Brandon Moore and Damien Woody, said Jones' intangibles and production will be difficult to replace. "It just goes to show the business side of the game, when such a productive guy like T.J. is released," Faneca said in an e-mail. "To be so close last year, and then for T.J. not to be there with us going after the ring again is what hurts." It creates "a major void," Moore said. "A passionate guy like that, with the intensity he brought at certain points in the game, it ignited sparks in everybody. You would've liked to have kept a guy like that." Said Woody: "Some players bring things to the table that you can't put a price on, and T.J. is one of those guys." The move is indeed a head scratcher.


Would not be surprised to see Tony Richardson go back to KC as well to follow TJ.

Even if Leon Washington is healthy, the TOLT signing pretty much makes him expendible and he will probably sign elsewhere. So when TOLT and Green inevitably get hurt this year your running game will be reduced to Jason Davis????

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 04:23 PM

*EDIT: And as far as Leon goes.. NOBODY'S going to sacrifice a 2nd Round Draft pick on Washington before seeing him play after surgery first-&-foremost, (so you can forget about him going elsewhere) and even if it takes some time for him to regain his form, his mere presence makes opposing defenses pinch


Who the hell was talking about another team signing Washington (to keep it as you like to do :P).... we're more talking about him EVER playing again or how much damage a busted wheel will do to a guy that was all speed in the first place??? I'd not touch him for anything coming off THAT kind of injury now.....
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 04:28 PM

Its official now, Jets sign Tomlinson for 2 years/$5.2M, which is slightly more than what the Chiefs signed Jones for.

Er....


Figures...while Tomlinson was the only move the Jets could make given the silly FA rules it's just - ick! Jones MIGHT start a decline this year, Tomlinson started it two years ago. Citing his 12 TD's is silly, he got a lot of gimme's and rushed for 700 yards with a lousy YPC.

It's just typical of the Jets, setting themselves up for the 'season after' fall like in '83, '99 and now next year. Woody should be less concerned with who's hosting the first game at the Meadowlands and more concerned with letting his GM know it's okay to spend money with no cap.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 05:04 PM

Things you might have missed:

*Most of the discussion on TOLT (The Other LT) was not just about last year, but the last 3 years of decline.

*If SD felt as strongly as you, they would have kept him, instead they felt that Sproles is more effective.

*The Jets O-line is disappointed in this move as a group. They even took out an ad in the KC paper congratulating TJ and wishing him luck as he was the spiritual leader of the offense the last two years. Although the ad comes allegedly from the TEAM, this was initiated to calm down the Jets O-line.



Would not be surprised to see Tony Richardson go back to KC as well to follow TJ.

Even if Leon Washington is healthy, the TOLT signing pretty much makes him expendible and he will probably sign elsewhere. So when TOLT and Green inevitably get hurt this year your running game will be reduced to Jason Davis????



Now now Manta, let Beez enjoy this. It'll be all the more hilarious when the Jets crash and burn this year like they always do. No one's lying down to let them in the playoffs this year, and when Tomlinson blows out his knee, we can all point and laugh.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:19 PM

Who the hell was talking about another team signing Washington ?? (to keep it as you like to do :P)

Three headed monster???? That is the lamest monster in the league---assuming that A.) Washington is healthy, B.) HE DOESN'T TAKE OTHER OFFERS.


Going forward.. READ before monkey'see-monkey'do cracks Scott.
...until then, here... you can play with these. :rolleyes:

*The Jets O-line is disappointed in this move as a group. They even took out an ad in the KC paper congratulating TJ and wishing him luck as he was the spiritual leader of the offense the last two years. Although the ad comes allegedly from the TEAM, this was initiated to calm down the Jets O-line.

Would not be surprised to see Tony Richardson go back to KC as well to follow TJ.


Oh stop Manta. They can fart around and kick stones all they want. Come September, it's business as usual. That's an offensive line, that takes incredible pride over their digest of work.. and trying to insinuate that they'll pout and\or hotdog their way throughout the season is looney. There was no one more admired and respected in this organization than Chad Pennington.. and when he got the boot for Brett, the o'line worked just as hard. (if not harder) I can't acknowledge these quotes to be anymore than gratitude. You're reading too much into them.

...and as far as Richardson goes; http://www.seattlepi...rticleID=228505

Citing his 12 TD's is silly, he got a lot of gimme's and rushed for 700 yards.


What's silly is discrediting LaDainian's touchdown's as being "gimmies", while being compared to the league's #1 rushing attack. The *700+ more yrds* debate was already covered. (over 100 more rushing attempts for Jones) As for citing his TD's.. are you serious? Jones had 6 rushes broken off for 30 yrds or more in the 4th quarter of garbage time games last season. Looking at Tomlinson's & Jones' Redzone production for last season (or "gimmie TD's" as you like to call it) is like monitoring the wardrobe of identical twins. :noclue:

2009 Redzone Stat's
LT: *52 Rushes, *11 Touchdowns, *108 Yards.
TJ: *52 Rushes, *11 Touchdowns, *112 Yards.

Now now Manta, let Beez enjoy this. It'll be all the more hilarious when the Jets crash and burn this year like they always do. No one's lying down to let them in the playoffs this year, and when Tomlinson blows out his knee, we can all point and laugh.


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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:21 PM

Going forward.. READ before monkey'see-monkey'do cracks Scott.
...until then, here... you can play with these. :rolleyes:



Oh stop Manta. They can fart around and kick stones all they want. Come September, it's business as usual. That's an offensive line, that takes incredible pride over their digest of work.. and trying to insinuate that they'll pout and\or hotdog their way throughout the season is looney. There was no one more admired and respected in this organization than Chad Pennington.. and when he got the boot for Brett, the o'line worked just as hard. (if not harder) I can't acknoledge these quotes to be anymore than gratitude. You're reading too much into them.



What's silly is discrediting LaDainian's touchdown's as being "gimmies", while being compared to the league's #1 rushing attack. The *700+ more yrds* debate was already covered. (over 100 more rushing attempts for Jones) As for citing his TD's.. are you serious? Jones had 6 rushes broken off for 30 yrds or more in the 4th quarter of garbage time games last season. Looking at Tomlinson's & Jones' Redzone production for last season (or "gimmie TD's" as you like to call it) is like monitoring the wardrobe of identical twins. :noclue:

2009 Redzone Stat's
LT: *52 Rushes, *11 Touchdowns, *108 Yards.
TJ: *52 Rushes, *11 Touchdowns, *112 Yards.



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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:54 AM

Going forward.. READ before monkey'see-monkey'do cracks Scott.
...until then, here... you can play with these. :rolleyes:


I did, I made a direct comment about you talking about the Jets protecting Leon via the 2nd round tender.... in my opinon the protection was not neccessary cause I'd NEVER (look uber-fancy!) take that gamble on a guy they were talking his career might be OVER, especially on a running back when there are 10-15 backs a year who come into the league and become productive... so yeah, read the comments back sometimes... it might be good for ya B )

but it's ok "Every year is the Jets year until that year is this year, then it always seems to become next year!"

Just look how many teams don't make the playoffs two years in a row in the NFL, not easy is it
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 10:01 AM

Figures...while Tomlinson was the only move the Jets could make given the silly FA rules it's just - ick! Jones MIGHT start a decline this year, Tomlinson started it two years ago. Citing his 12 TD's is silly, he got a lot of gimme's and rushed for 700 yards with a lousy YPC.

It's just typical of the Jets, setting themselves up for the 'season after' fall like in '83, '99 and now next year. Woody should be less concerned with who's hosting the first game at the Meadowlands and more concerned with letting his GM know it's okay to spend money with no cap.


I agree, the Tomlinson signing was stupid. Why sign him over Thomas Jones for more money, when Jones has been better the past two years? It's just overpaying for the name and "star power." The signing will in all liklihood be a bust although I prefer Tomlinson in the lockerroom over Jones who has been a malcontent for a while.

I hope someone signs Leon but no GM is that stupid. The Jets will have three RBs. Two of which will be broken.

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 12:10 PM

Couple of under the radar moves for the Bills which I like:

Buffalo and DE Dwan Edwards have agreed in principle to a four-year deal worth $18 million. Edwards is expected to sign the contract later on Wednesday.

Bills also sign ILB Andra Davis formely of Denver to a two year deal.

Both good fits for the 3-4...good run stoppers...finally, a competent front office (so far) LOL

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 12:55 PM

Couple of under the radar moves for the Bills which I like:

Buffalo and DE Dwan Edwards have agreed in principle to a four-year deal worth $18 million. Edwards is expected to sign the contract later on Wednesday.

Bills also sign ILB Andra Davis formely of Denver to a two year deal.

Both good fits for the 3-4...good run stoppers...finally, a competent front office (so far) LOL



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Posted 17 March 2010 - 02:58 PM

Oh stop Manta. They can fart around and kick stones all they want. Come September, it's business as usual. That's an offensive line, that takes incredible pride over their digest of work.. and trying to insinuate that they'll pout and\or hotdog their way throughout the season is looney. There was no one more admired and respected in this organization than Chad Pennington.. and when he got the boot for Brett, the o'line worked just as hard. (if not harder) I can't acknowledge these quotes to be anymore than gratitude. You're reading too much into them.



That is true, but they took pride in what they accomplished with TJ, now they are starting from scratch with a different type of runner.
A lineman considers being the #1 rushing team a group accomplishment, a little different than pass blocking.
I know the O-line will be strong again this year, but I doubt very much that they will have the accomplishments they garnered the past two years.

I was ready to crown the Jets AFC Champions this year, but they seem (IMHO) to be unraveling.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 03:24 PM

Woody Johnson screaming about a stupid "coin flip." Typical Jets.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 03:48 PM

Woody Johnson screaming about a stupid "coin flip." Typical Jets.


Woody Johnson has been a disaster for Jet fans.

I miss Leon Hess.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 03:58 PM

Who is running the show these days?



Buddy Nix, who worked under Bill Polian, AJ Smith and John Butler at various times over the years and is a well respected person within the NFL.

The Assistant GM and Director of Player Personnel is Doug Whaley, who served as a pro scout for the Steelers over the past 10 years.

So on the surface at least, the Front Office has been massively upgraded.

But until they find a QB and a RB who can stay away from the police, all bets are off.
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Posted 17 March 2010 - 11:03 PM

Redskins sign QB Rex Grossman to 1-year deal - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

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Who knew the Redskins would get WORSE!!!!
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 11:07 AM

Redskins sign QB Rex Grossman to 1-year deal - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

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Who knew the Redskins would get WORSE!!!!



It also looks like Arizona will be battle for the starting job: the just signed Derek Anderson and maybe looking at others.
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 01:26 PM

It also looks like Arizona will be battle for the starting job: the just signed Derek Anderson and maybe looking at others.


I've always liked Derek Anderson, nice to see him get the keys to a car that can drive a few miles for once, that should be an interesting QB battle
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 01:39 PM

I've always liked Derek Anderson, nice to see him get the keys to a car that can drive a few miles for once, that should be an interesting QB battle



What about San Fran now? That also should be interesting.
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