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#501 Amberite

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:02 PM

optional practice today. nice. hopefully they have a film study today at the hotel, but I have a feeling it's more likely they have cribbage and cheesesteak eating contests

edit: and only the scratches/fringe guys showed up. Lemaire isn't even there. beautiful.


Lemaire is beat after chewing gum all night long. Leave the man alone.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:04 PM

One day later, and I still don't understand how they came out for OT without any improvement in their game from the 3rd period.


You took the words right out of my mouth. Triumph mentioned that the Devils never got a chance to really get going due to the penalty, which is true, but they still managed to give up two ridiculously dangerous chances to the Flyers before the penalty even occurred. They came out flat to start the OT after playing the entire 3rd period that way. It's inexcusable. I firmly believe that Lemaire overworked certain players last night because of his dumb roster decisions so I can understand if they had no legs toward the end of the game. But what is the excuse for not being prepared to start the OT after you just had a 17 minute break? Through the first two periods it never even entered my mind that they were going to lose the game last night but that third period was just really bad. It's concerning that it all fell apart for them like that. I mean I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the last few months but it was just bad on so many levels.

I really want to believe that this team can come back, I really do, but they have an extremely difficult climb ahead of them. We're basically asking a team who has only won 2 out of a possible 9 games against Philly to now win 3 out of a possible 4 and they have basically found every way possible to lose to the Flyers this season. I said it before and I'll say it again, they are in deep sh!t. Last night may wind up being the straw that broke the camel's back when all is said and done.

Focus has been brought up in this thread and I think it really sums everything up because they are lacking it. There are just way too many WTF type of decisions and moments from the players and the coaching staff.

Edited by Sickman, 19 April 2010 - 02:09 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

Lemaire is beat after chewing gum all night long. Leave the man alone.



Come on why in gods name would Lemaire be there ??? He thinks they are playing fine remember???
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:10 PM

You took the words right out of my mouth. Triumph mentioned that the Devils never got a chance to really get going due to the penalty, which is true, but they still managed to give up two ridiculously dangerous chances to the Flyers before the penalty even occurred. They came out flat to start the OT after playing the entire 3rd period that way. It's inexcusable. I firmly believe that Lemaire overworked certain players last night because of his dumb roster decisions so I can understand if they had no legs toward the end of the game. But what is the excuse for not being prepared to start the OT after you just had a 17 minute break? Through the first two periods it never even entered my mind that they were going to lose the game last night but that third period was just really bad. It's concerning that it all fell apart for them like that. I mean I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the last few months but it was just bad on so many levels.

I really want to believe that this team can come back, I really do, but they have an extremely difficult climb ahead of them. We're basically asking a team who has only won 3 out of a possible 9 games against Philly to now win 3 out of a possible 4 and they have basically found every way possible to lose to the Flyers this season.

Focus has been brought up in this thread and I think it really sums everything up because they are lacking it. There are just way too many WTF type of decisions and moments from the players and the coaching staff.


i agree i'm baffled at why they would dress corrente over Pelley, especially when they could have used another center for their piss poor faceoff stats...
then dressing Fraser instead of Skoula was also sketchy, then you only give the kid 5:52 ice time? He made a mistake but you gotta play your guys!

not pleased at all with those decisions! Pelley should have been in there for sure...
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:11 PM

You took the words right out of my mouth. Triumph mentioned that the Devils never got a chance to really get going due to the penalty, which is true, but they still managed to give up two ridiculously dangerous chances to the Flyers before the penalty even occurred. They came out flat to start the OT after playing the entire 3rd period that way. It's inexcusable. I firmly believe that Lemaire overworked certain players last night because of his dumb roster decisions so I can understand if they had no legs toward the end of the game. But what is the excuse for not being prepared to start the OT after you just had a 17 minute break? Through the first two periods it never even entered my mind that they were going to lose the game last night but that third period was just really bad. It's concerning that it all fell apart for them like that. I mean I guess it shouldn't be a surprise considering the last few months but it was just bad on so many levels.

I really want to believe that this team can come back, I really do, but they have an extremely difficult climb ahead of them. We're basically asking a team who has only won 2 out of a possible 9 games against Philly to now win 3 out of a possible 4 and they have basically found every way possible to lose to the Flyers this season. I said it before and I'll say it again, they are in deep sh!t. Last night may wind up being the straw that broke the camel's back when all is said and done.

Focus has been brought up in this thread and I think it really sums everything up because they are lacking it. There are just way too many WTF type of decisions and moments from the players and the coaching staff.



All I know is outshot 18 - 4 in the 3rd and OT, I stand by my statement they were lucky to even get to OT, but all is well with t he team, they are "fine"
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:11 PM

optional practice today. nice. hopefully they have a film study today at the hotel, but I have a feeling it's more likely they have cribbage and cheesesteak eating contests

edit: and only the scratches/fringe guys showed up. Lemaire isn't even there. beautiful.

That's awesome. Maybe they're having another closed door meeting to talk about their feelings. I'm sure they'll air all of their dirty laundry, and go out and play a great 20 minutes of hockey tomorrow night.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:12 PM

That's awesome. Maybe they're having another closed door meeting to talk about their feelings. I'm sure they'll air all of their dirty laundry, and go out and play a great 20 minutes of hockey tomorrow night.


no, I'm guessing they're going to do their pressers, and when they're done, they'll return to the hotel to join the other players in a massive cribbage tournament.

not even a walk-through? there were plenty of things to walk-through.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:19 PM

i agree i'm baffled at why they would dress corrente over Pelley, especially when they could have used another center for their piss poor faceoff stats...
then dressing Fraser instead of Skoula was also sketchy, then you only give the kid 5:52 ice time? He made a mistake but you gotta play your guys!

not pleased at all with those decisions! Pelley should have been in there for sure...


I was totally on board with Lemaire signing up during the summer but he has really disappointed me these last few months and I think the team will need to win in spite of him. There have been so many times that this team has just looked like a rudderless ship and some of his roster decisions, like last night, really leave a bad taste in your mouth. Fraser had no business being in this series unless someone was really hurt. His being in the lineup essentially killed the defense last night.

All I know is outshot 18 - 4 in the 3rd and OT, I stand by my statement they were lucky to even get to OT, but all is well with t he team, they are "fine"


Marty Brodeur. He was the only reason that game did not turn into a complete blood bath. Philly could have easily scored 4 or 5 goals that 3rd period if he did not stand on his head. Their play was nothing short of offensive, as ironic as that sounds.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:24 PM

I was totally on board with Lemaire signing up during the summer but he has really disappointed me these last few months and I think the team will need to win in spite of him. There have been so many times that this team has just looked like a rudderless ship and some of his roster decisions, like last night, really leave a bad taste in your mouth. Fraser had no business being in this series unless someone was really hurt. His being in the lineup essentially killed the defense last night.


i can only roll my eyes at this stuff. do you really know, or have you even considered, the actual difference between fraser and skoula over the course of a season?
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:27 PM

no, I'm guessing they're going to do their pressers, and when they're done, they'll return to the hotel to join the other players in a massive cribbage tournament.

not even a walk-through? there were plenty of things to walk-through.

Nah, c'mon Max. Didn't you know the coach thinks they played "fine"? Did you see that power play last night? It was reminiscent of the 80's Oilers. Just machine-like.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:32 PM

i can only roll my eyes at this stuff. do you really know, or have you even considered, the actual difference between fraser and skoula over the course of a season?


Roll your eyes all you want. No disrespect intended, but I don't give two sh*ts what is the difference between Fraser and Skoula over the course of the season and neither should you. Why does that even matter at this point? seriously. We're talking about a 7 game series (well really 5 if you start from last night) where every decision is critical. There is little room for error.

Fraser was directly responsible for the second goal. There is the first blunder. Lemaire then proceeded to give the kid less then 6 minutes of ice time, which was the second blunder, and led to every other defenseman playing more then they had to. Why the hell even put the kid in the lineup if you're not gonna play him? Or Lemaire could have just dressed him as another wing on the 4th line!

I'm not saying that playing Skoula would have won the Devils the game but Lemaire can not be defended for playing Fraser, not after last night. It's a risky move even if it had worked out. He sh!t the bed big time with that call.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:36 PM

i can only roll my eyes at this stuff. do you really know, or have you even considered, the actual difference between fraser and skoula over the course of a season?


yeah, but Skoula getting the hook was based on a one sample result-oriented decision, so I don't have a problem with someone using that back on Lemaire.

I guess the + on Skoula getting the hook was that the Devils must actually watch tape, because I wasn't sure. he looked brutal on the highlight package. maybe the announcer telling me how brutal he was clouded my judgement. :lol:
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:42 PM

yeah, but Skoula getting the hook was based on a one sample result-oriented decision, so I don't have a problem with someone using that back on Lemaire.

I guess the + on Skoula getting the hook was that the Devils must actually watch tape, because I wasn't sure. he looked brutal on the highlight package. maybe the announcer telling me how brutal he was clouded my judgement. :lol:


Skoula seemed to be very weak on the puck over the first couple of games. I have no issue with Lemaire noticing this. But you don't fix that by spotting the other team a goal and rolling with 5 d-men for no good reason. I mean he was confident enough to let Fraser have a crack at it, why not let him continue to play the game?

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:43 PM

i can only roll my eyes at this stuff. do you really know, or have you even considered, the actual difference between fraser and skoula over the course of a season?



Roll your eyes all you want. No disrespect intended, but I don't give two sh*ts what is the difference between Fraser and Skoula over the course of the season and neither should you. Why does that even matter at this point? seriously. We're talking about a 7 game series (well really 5 if you start from last night) where every decision is critical. The margin of error is just to low to be making stupid decisions like Lemaire made last night.

Fraser was directly responsible for the second goal. There is the first blunder. Lemaire then proceeded to give the kid less then 6 minutes of ice time, which was the second blunder, and led to every other defenseman playing more then they had to. Why the hell even put the kid in the lineup if you're not gonna play him? Or Lemaire could have just dressed him as another wing on the 4th line!

I'm not saying that playing Skoula would have won the Devils the game but Lemaire can not be defended for playing Fraser, not after last night. It's a risky move even if it had worked out. He sh!t the bed big time with that call.


i'm totally w/ sickman on this one tri. we can talk about statistics all we want - sample sizes and the like. in cases like a playoff game - which is the definition of NO sample size, you have to view it as a singular event as well as in the context of the previous two games, as well as the last month. I would argue that at this point, what happened before 2010 is virtually meaningless. As Dr. Lillienfield says, "It's the here and the now and the needle in the haystack."

fraser's existance in that lineup and his subsequent use was an asinine decision. there was almost NO upside to the decision. I mean, if you put in salmela, i suppose you could argue he brings a different dimension than skoula in that he has a good shot and has a better transition game. fraser's play type is exactly the same as skoula's except he has no playoff experience and has played 3 games in 2 months. it was an absolute recipe for disaster.

sometimes the coach can do more harm than good and I truly believe that JL is there right now. perhaps a jim caldwell manequin might be better at this point.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:44 PM

Skoula seemed to be very weak on the puck over the first couple of games. I have no issue with Lemaire noticing this. But you don't fix that by spotting the other team a goal and rolling with 5 d-men for no good reason. I mean he was confident enough to let Fraser have a crack at it, why not let him continue to play the game?


because of the screw-up. couldn't trust him after that, considering it was a pretty simple play. so, he sat a guy who had a few screw-ups (or maybe better put, lacking effort plays), in a win, for a guy that contributed to a loss by choking on a forced error.

rolled the dice and lost. don't know if it was really necessary.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:45 PM

Skoula seemed to be very weak on the puck over the first couple of games. I have no issue with Lemaire noticing this. But you don't fix that by spotting the other team a goal and rolling with 5 d-men for no good reason. I mean he was confident enough to let Fraser have a crack at it, why not let him continue to play the game?

The sad thing is, having seen this movie before, I said to myself as soon as Fraser fvcked up: "he will be nailed to the bench the rest of the game". And sure enough...
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:53 PM

fraser played at least one more shift afterwards, but there's really no point in discussing this with you people.

sundstrom: my point about fraser and skoula is to distinguish how good they might be at any given point. there's no other way to do this than to assess their play over the season.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:53 PM

because of the screw-up. couldn't trust him after that, considering it was a pretty simple play. so, he sat a guy who had a few screw-ups (or maybe better put, lacking effort plays), in a win, for a guy that contributed to a loss by choking on a forced error.

rolled the dice and lost. don't know if it was really necessary.


Don't get me wrong, I know why Lemaire sat the kid. It was a really weak turnover that led to the goal. My point is that what the hell was there to gain by even playing him in the first place? Like Sundstrom said, he played like 3 games in 2 months and you want to throw him into a big divisional rivalry playoff game? And you just knew the kid was going to be on the shortest of leashes. Did anybody honestly think that Fraser would not ride the pine after the 2nd goal?

Game 2 might not have been perfect but they won the game. Don't fvck with a winning lineup. Lemaire needs to get that through his bald skull for once.

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Posted 19 April 2010 - 02:57 PM

Don't get me wrong, I know why Lemaire sat the kid. It was a really weak turnover that led to the goal. My point is that what the hell was there to gain by even playing him in the first place? Like Sundstrom said, he played like 3 games in 2 months and you want to throw him into a big divisional rivalry playoff game? And you just knew the kid was going to be on the shortest of leashes. Did anybody honestly think that Fraser would not ride the pine after the 2nd goal?

Game 2 might not have been perfect but they won the game. Don't fvck with a winning lineup. Lemaire needs to get that through his bald skull for once.


didn't i hear all sorts of complaints when this was how brent sutter rolled last year?

Lemaire on the decision to use Fraser: “We all thought that he was ready because he sat for a long time and then we used him in a game (in the regular season) and he was really good,” Lemaire said. “We felt that we could get that type of game from him and we didn’t.” - I forget which game that was. When Lemaire is saying 'we all thought', he's clearly referring to the rest of the coaching staff.
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Posted 19 April 2010 - 03:00 PM

didn't i hear all sorts of complaints when this was how brent sutter rolled last year?

Lemaire on the decision to use Fraser: “We all thought that he was ready because he sat for a long time and then we used him in a game (in the regular season) and he was really good,” Lemaire said. “We felt that we could get that type of game from him and we didn’t.” - I forget which game that was. When Lemaire is saying 'we all thought', he's clearly referring to the rest of the coaching staff.


it's not like the rest of his staff is Larry and Slava. I admire that Jacques was actually able to get Lou to allow him to hire an assistant, but that guy is Mario Tremblay.
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