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#501 HellOnICE

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:09 PM

We can go over until the cow comes home on how Lou is at fault or isn't at fault. I'll defend Lou, because he's smarter than you and I put together - and I firmly believe the Kovalchuk deal was a great deal and for the assets we gave up it was a good deal, and if the same assets were given for a defensman it would've been an overpayment considering there was the defensemen available to get.

This series is not over.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:09 PM

He took a crosscheck right in front of the net on a scramble, was fouled shorthanded, was dangerous on a wraparound. Those are the only ones I remember.

But the team is without a doubt being outcoached, I agree 100% with you.


He also got pasted to make the pass to Kovalchuk on his goal.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:10 PM

I was going to wait until the end of the season to write this, but I may as well get it out now. I'll bring it up again at the end of the year when everyone gets into "adds and deletes".

Lou should trade Marty...

This is not an indictment of his play, or a knee-jerk reaction to the third period of this game. He still has lots in the tank, is a legend / hall of famer / my favorite player. He might be one of the 3 or 4 best goalies of all time (in any era). But... A good GM will always get maximum value for his players, and I'm afraid that Marty has exceeded his usefulness in this league.

Note: I said in this league - "the new NHL".

Why trade Marty?

1) I am no longer sure the difference between the top tier of goaltenders and the middle of the pack guys is as great as it was. Play-off games are being decided 5-4, 7-3; not 2-1.
2) The league is no longer a defensive league - the play-offs are a PP fest.
3) Good or even great goalies can't buy you goals for.
4) This is one of the best draft classes in some time. Get as many picks as you can.
5) It's obvious the Devils need other things more than a hall-of-fame goalie; like heart and soul, basic scoring, and more.
6) The team relies way too heavily on Marty and gets complacent. I think individual players did better in front of Clemmer because they had to (for example).

Downsides:

a) Attendance will suffer for awhile, unless they keep winning.
b) I did "zero" research, he may have a no-trade and/or there may be no teams that can afford him.
c) It's a big risk, is scary, may destroy Lou's career, blah, blah


In summary, I just don't think he's the answer for us mid-term to long-term. We can't score consistently, the league seems committed to offense/power plays, a goalie can lose a series for you - but Pittsburgh and the Wings have proven that in the new NHL that an "above average" goalie can win championships when you have 3 full lines of scorers (and a power play that cashes in more than 1 in 7 times). What do you guys think?
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:11 PM

He also got pasted to make the pass to Kovalchuk on his goal.


Yes, how could I forget that play.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:11 PM

And a blog entry with my own thoughts for probably the last time this season :P

http://battleofny.bl...nd-gutless.html
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:11 PM

MotorCity...

You just sunk your boat with the trade Marty.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:12 PM

Maybe we should sit Langs again.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:12 PM

He took a crosscheck right in front of the net on a scramble, was fouled shorthanded, was dangerous on a wraparound. Those are the only ones I remember.

But the team is without a doubt being outcoached, I agree 100% with you.


I remember the wraparound now. Also the aforementioned breakaway negated by the hooking.

Meh. Maybe I should give him the benefit of the doubt since he's consistently been the hardest-working guy on the team. But he was just invisible to me tonight. I do have all the confidence in the world that he'll be extremely visible on Thursday, though.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:13 PM

I predict a 4-2 loss on Thursday night and the Devils skating off the ice with the same "aww shucks" looks on their faces we've become accustomed to seeing the past three years.

you know what if we do lose Thursday it will be the third year in a row we lost at home
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:13 PM

Johnny Mac's team next year I hope.

+1

I guess I'm getting rid of this beard sometimes.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:13 PM

I was going to wait until the end of the season to write this, but I may as well get it out now. I'll bring it up again at the end of the year when everyone gets into "adds and deletes".

Lou should trade Marty...

This is not an indictment of his play, or a knee-jerk reaction to the third period of this game. He still has lots in the tank, is a legend / hall of famer / my favorite player. He might be one of the 3 or 4 best goalies of all time (in any era). But... A good GM will always get maximum value for his players, and I'm afraid that Marty has exceeded his usefulness in this league.

Note: I said in this league - "the new NHL".

Why trade Marty?

1) I am no longer sure the difference between the top tier of goaltenders and the middle of the pack guys is as great as it was. Play-off games are being decided 5-4, 7-3; not 2-1.
2) The league is no longer a defensive league - the play-offs are a PP fest.
3) Good or even great goalies can't buy you goals for.
4) This is one of the best draft classes in some time. Get as many picks as you can.
5) It's obvious the Devils need other things more than a hall-of-fame goalie; like heart and soul, basic scoring, and more.
6) The team relies way too heavily on Marty and gets complacent. I think individual players did better in front of Clemmer because they had to (for example).

Downsides:

a) Attendance will suffer for awhile, unless they keep winning.
b) I did "zero" research, he may have a no-trade and/or there may be no teams that can afford him.
c) It's a big risk, is scary, may destroy Lou's career, blah, blah


In summary, I just don't think he's the answer for us mid-term to long-term. We can't score consistently, the league seems committed to offense/power plays, a goalie can lose a series for you - but Pittsburgh and the Wings have proven that in the new NHL that an "above average" goalie can win championships when you have 3 full lines of scorers (and a power play that cashes in more than 1 in 7 times). What do you guys think?


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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:13 PM

This series is not over.


Technically it's not over, sure. But, really, what can we do differently? Is this team somehow going to turn it around by thursday? Are they finally going to turn it on and start scoring some goals? If they do, isn't it too little too late? I would love for them to get back in this thing and steal a game 7. I just don't know what's going to jump start these guys to actually believe they can. (I also don't know wtf is wrong with their PP)

On another note, I'd like to see Corrente play on thurs night.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:14 PM

you know what if we do lose Thursday it will be the third year in a row we lost at home


Aww. Didn't think of that. I remember being so excited when the playoff tickets came in the mail, too.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

Lou should trade Marty...




MotorCity...

You just sunk your boat with the trade Marty.


that's the answer.

he has a full NTC and I've heard from multiple sources that Lou has flat out told him that he can write his contract until he's done.

forget this idea.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

MotorCity...

You just sunk your boat with the trade Marty.


Explain - how did I sink my boat?

I LOVE the guy, I promise. Come see my basement. I just think that he's not the answer long-term. He might be more valuable to us long-term... as a trade.
I'll take the heat - I love the Devils, I love Marty. It's just how I feel... And I even tried to point out it might be a pointless discussion (no-trade, no interest).

Other teams have traded the franchise, some times it works - sometimes it doesn't. Doesn't make me stupid or irrational.

Edited by Motor City Devil, 20 April 2010 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

You know what's there to do Thursday? Watch the Draft :lol:


Since the Jets are picking 29th, it's even money the draft won't get to the 29th pick by the time I get home Thursday :P

you know what if we do lose Thursday it will be the third year in a row we lost at home


Fourth...it's just the third (out of three) at the Rock.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:15 PM

MotorCity...

You just sunk your boat with the trade Marty.



He's right...Marty is an old man who doesn't come up with the big save anymore... look how bad he was for Team Canada...losing to USA wow...
TRADE MARTY for a bag of pucks

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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:17 PM

He's right...Marty is an old man who doesn't come up with the big save anymore... look how bad he was for Team Canada...losing to USA wow...
TRADE MARTY for a bag of pucks

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That's not what I said - he still has tons in the tank.
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:17 PM

Fourth...it's just the third (out of three) at the Rock.

who was the fourth team again
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Posted 20 April 2010 - 10:18 PM

You know what's there to do Thursday? Watch the Draft :lol:

I thought about that, but I'll go to game 5 anyway (while eyeing the phone to see what's going on with the draft). A good captain goes down with his ship, so I'll go down with mine. I will then look immediately forward to the press conference to announce Lemaire's firing/resignation.

Edited by MadDog2020, 20 April 2010 - 10:20 PM.

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