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#61 Triumph

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:20 PM

Triumph, you're right. The anti-Kovalchuk Devil fans are dug in. I'm one of them. I did not like what I saw while he was here, and it's more than an abnormally low shooting percentage. I watched a team bend over backwards to make him fit. I watched a player who regularly stayed on the ice for a full 2-minute PP, and too many times made mistakes at the point (and often at the end of the "shift"). I saw too many 1-on-2 and 1-on-3 entries into the zone. I am afraid we will get more of the same.

He did manage his first "plus" season in the NHL, though, so congratulations to him for that.


like you said, you're dug in. but there's not going to be a bigger bargain, even with all his faults.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:21 PM

outside of Prudential, I want Marty, Patty, Daneyko, and Stevens statues all protected by a laser grid that will stun Rangers and Flyers fans on contact. But that's just my opinion........

Nah we just need lasers around the Marty statue to stop Sean Avery from trying to rub it.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:27 PM

Where is the Kevin Weekes laser when you need it?!
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:36 PM

Where is the Kevin Weekes laser when you need it?!

I think this guy has one.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 02:40 PM

Triumph, you're right. The anti-Kovalchuk Devil fans are dug in. I'm one of them. I did not like what I saw while he was here, and it's more than an abnormally low shooting percentage. I watched a team bend over backwards to make him fit. I watched a player who regularly stayed on the ice for a full 2-minute PP, and too many times made mistakes at the point (and often at the end of the "shift"). I saw too many 1-on-2 and 1-on-3 entries into the zone. I am afraid we will get more of the same.

He did manage his first "plus" season in the NHL, though, so congratulations to him for that.

Just to be clear. Do you honestly believe he will always struggle and score rarely as a Devil? If Kovy can't be a good scorer for the Devils, would anyone be? Remember, he has only been a non-thrasher for 4 months.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:02 PM

You know for a fact? Kovy and his agent told you in private, eh?


No, he told me during lunch yesterday in the city.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:07 PM

I'm sorry, but this is not why we can't win a round in the playoffs. Boston is still playing, by the way. Their offense isn't all that great. They sure compete a whole lot better than we did, though.

Boston has been playing D and clearing people away from their net plus scoring goals,the have Savard,Bergeron,Satan,Chara an old Mark Recchi who is capa ble of scoring still,Wideman plus a couple of more im sure im missin g,our scorers who would count on was Parise,Kovalchuk,Elias,and Zubrus.Scorer wise tho iwould say Boston has us defeated in that department because they have more proveen goal scorers than we do.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:12 PM

I'm sorry, but this is not why we can't win a round in the playoffs.


Just like Kovalchuk's presence is not a reason we didn't win a round in the playoffs this year when we died in the first round two years running without him.

Just to be clear. Do you honestly believe he will always struggle and score rarely as a Devil? If Kovy can't be a good scorer for the Devils, would anyone be? Remember, he has only been a non-thrasher for 4 months.


How quickly people forget about Mogilny, he was terrible for the better part of a year before lighting it up, he put up more than acceptable numbers in '00-01. For whatever problems Kovalchuk had here, he still averaged about a point per game which isn't exactly bad.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:24 PM

For whatever problems Kovalchuk had here, he still averaged about a point per game which isn't exactly bad.

+1 A point per game right after coming from Atlanta is pretty good and yet some people here are acting like he failed as an individual player. He also led our team in points in the playoffs. I don't deny he struggled but once again he was a Thrasher only 4 months ago. I mean he didn't even have a center to play with in NJ, is that his fault?

Also, good example with Mogilny. After coming to the Devils at the end of the season in 99-00, he came out in 00-01 and settled in with Gomez and put up great numbers.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 03:57 PM

Just like Kovalchuk's presence is not a reason we didn't win a round in the playoffs this year when we died in the first round two years running without him.



I can't argue with that statement.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 05:48 PM

I think this guy has one.
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Ha, that actually came to mind too.

But THIS always needs to be dusted off and posted whenever there is even the slightest bit of an excuse to do so:
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:29 PM

That is just plain laughable. The Devils probably would have swept Philly without "Chuck", but we will never know.



Stats don't lie Manta. They are not laughable either. Kovy was one of our best players in the playoffs believe it or not.
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Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:55 PM

Stats don't lie Manta. They are not laughable either. Kovy was one of our best players in the playoffs believe it or not.

I've concluded that the anti-Kovy people are going to spin every possible point against Kovy, no matter what logic is thrown at them. It doesn't matter that Kovy was a Thrasher only 4 months ago and still was a point a game guy and led our team in scoring in the playoffs with no center, they will still call him a complete failure as a Devil and claim he will never be good on this team and will stop us from winning a Cup.
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 06:44 AM

I've concluded that the anti-Kovy people are going to spin every possible point against Kovy, no matter what logic is thrown at them. It doesn't matter that Kovy was a Thrasher only 4 months ago and still was a point a game guy and led our team in scoring in the playoffs with no center, they will still call him a complete failure as a Devil and claim he will never be good on this team and will stop us from winning a Cup.


First off, stop with the whole apologist "Kovy was a Thrasher only four months ago, so he gets a a bit of a pass on what he did here" angle. Lou made this deal thinking he could help NOW, impact NOW, this was a NOW deal, not a "let him get used to us and then he'll be better next season and the season(s) beyond deal" (I'll always feel that bringing Ilya in was a risk worth taking, regardless of the outcome). Lou knew there was a good chance he wouldn't be coming back here.

In bold: there you go. Blindly looking at stats. Do you really think he was good in the playoffs? Even Triumph admitted in another thread that Kovalchuk didn't have a good playoff. Wow, he scored an ENG goal and a 5-on-3 PPG in five GP. That's awesome stuff. Did he really impact the team that much during the regular season? Because I didn't see that either...not positively, anyway.

I have no idea how good he might be if he stays here (no one here can predict that), but at least my prognosis isn't based almost 100% on sunshiney perfect-case scenarios. I saw enough bad play and shakiness out of Kovalchuk in the time he was here that I'd be very concerned about coughing up big cash and several years to keep him, and are you going to continue to ignore the fact that his motivation has been called into question in Atlanta? I said this a long time ago, but he reminds me of a second-year player who has tremendous upside and is very raw. The problem is he's been in the NHL for several years now.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 06:54 AM

Look, you sign kovy, and if it realy doesen't work, you trade him. we could have good stuff for kovy...
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 07:14 AM

there is a very simple argument for signing kovi, this team let us down for 3 years, and i will not believe we have made any changes unless we make an impact signing this off-season, and i'm the die hard fan. so for people less into the devils than myself, the lack of change will equal lack of care, hence lack of full seats. so like it or not, we need kovi and some hard nosed defender who will dish out some career ending injuries in order to pick up the sales to what it was towards the end of the season.
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 12:16 PM

First off, stop with the whole apologist "Kovy was a Thrasher only four months ago, so he gets a a bit of a pass on what he did here" angle. Lou made this deal thinking he could help NOW, impact NOW, this was a NOW deal, not a "let him get used to us and then he'll be better next season and the season(s) beyond deal" (I'll always feel that bringing Ilya in was a risk worth taking, regardless of the outcome). Lou knew there was a good chance he wouldn't be coming back here.

In bold: there you go. Blindly looking at stats. Do you really think he was good in the playoffs? Even Triumph admitted in another thread that Kovalchuk didn't have a good playoff. Wow, he scored an ENG goal and a 5-on-3 PPG in five GP. That's awesome stuff. Did he really impact the team that much during the regular season? Because I didn't see that either...not positively, anyway.

I have no idea how good he might be if he stays here (no one here can predict that), but at least my prognosis isn't based almost 100% on sunshiney perfect-case scenarios. I saw enough bad play and shakiness out of Kovalchuk in the time he was here that I'd be very concerned about coughing up big cash and several years to keep him, and are you going to continue to ignore the fact that his motivation has been called into question in Atlanta? I said this a long time ago, but he reminds me of a second-year player who has tremendous upside and is very raw. The problem is he's been in the NHL for several years now.

You wrote all this forgetting my previous posts. I never said Kovy had a good playoffs. As I've said: Kovy struggled here and did not fulfill expectations. Sure he had 6 points in the playoffs but he didn't score any needed goals. We expected to get more out of Kovy and I don't give him a pass. All I'm saying is that now that we are eliminated and looking at the long term we need to see how things will changee if Kovy stays on this team. you're not saying he was just bad for this season, you keep making the argument that he will never work out in NJ. Now that we are looking long-term, it's fair to look back in retrospect and say, "maybe the 3 months Kovy played for us wasn't the whole story. He'll be better in the future seeing that he was a point a game guy right away without a center." You guys continue to act like Kovy will always play like a Thrasher when he has only been off that team for a little while.

As for his motivation, now your playing of of media hype. Kovy stuck with that team through traigc circumstances. The Thrashers were just developing when tragedy made them fall apart. Management has never been able to regroup that team. Just now, they're coming out of it. I am not basing anything on perfect-case scenarios either. I didn't say he comes out a completely new player next season. The point you are missing is that: if Kovy doesn't work out we're not screwed. He is easily tradeable.
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:38 PM

Benoors, you clearly want to absolve Kovalchuk from any blame for why the Thrashers usually stunk, and I think that's letting the big Russian off easy.
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Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:42 PM

The point you are missing is that: if Kovy doesn't work out we're not screwed. He is easily tradeable.


Not if you sign him to some 8 year, $80 million contract that only a handful of teams can afford on both their budget and the cap. If you think he's going to sign for peanuts you're mistaken, salary plays into whether he's tradeable or not, as does whether we have to give him a NMC.
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