Jump to content

Photo

Devils reacquire Arnott from Nashville


  • Please log in to reply
300 replies to this topic

#221 Jerzey Devil

Jerzey Devil

    All-Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,047 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 10:58 AM

I don't think he did bad at all, considering what was asked of him. I have a feeling that Josefsen gets that 3rd line center spot though. I would like to see what an Elias-Arnott-Zubrus line could do.


If Kovy walks, I definitely like Zubrus on the right of that line as opposed to Rolston or Clarkson.
  • 0

#222 Elias26

Elias26

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,576 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:05 AM

I love the mythology of "great" Captains. So did Messier all of a sudden suck after that? Because if I recall correctly his teams missed the playoffs entirely pretty much the rest of his career.


I love that you think that a great Captains is a myth considering we were lucky enough to have one man our blue line for quite a few years. Obviously the captain can't play the game by himself he needs help but the fact is this team had nothing to feed off of. Jamie is a quitter plane and simple. He was an emotionless piece of garbage out there and a disgrace to the Devils organization.
  • 0
Bobby Holik wouldn't name a (Christmas) song. He said: "Music means nothing to me." When Tom Gulitti of the
Record suggested he'd be called Scrooge, Holik said: "It won't be the first time." -Bobby Holik Christmas 2008

“I made a decision to be here. Just because the team is going through a rough time doesn’t mean you leave. This has become my second home. I love playing here. Patrik Elias January 31, 2011

#223 MantaRay

MantaRay

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,450 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:16 AM

I love that you think that a great Captains is a myth considering we were lucky enough to have one man our blue line for quite a few years. Obviously the captain can't play the game by himself he needs help but the fact is this team had nothing to feed off of. Jamie is a quitter plane and simple. He was an emotionless piece of garbage out there and a disgrace to the Devils organization.


No, I just don't overrate their effect and inflate their importance into mythic proportion.

Stevens was a great captain, but he had to learn to be great, same with Yzerman. One of the knocks against Stevens his entire career until we finally won the Cup was that you could easily take him off his game by using his temper. You can interpret this as quitting on his team because he would put his selfish ego before the team.

If Jamie was a quitter than you can include the rest of the Devils players of this as well as NO ONE stepped up in the playoffs.
I guess this team has no leaders including Parise, Elias, or Brodeur etc.
  • 0
I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04


Posted Image

#224 The Facepainter

The Facepainter

    Senior Devil

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 657 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:27 AM

No great Captians (yes like Messier) do exactly that.


It was the second best year in his career.


Before incident 77GP 60 points After Incident 9GP 2 points.


The 9 games prior to "the quitting" Lags only had 4 pts. The last 9 he had 3 pts. The only thing that it was evidence of was that the team wasn't playing nearly as well as it did in the first half of the season.

And please, without Matteau, we wouldn't even be mentioning Messier.
  • 0

#225 overtime98

overtime98

    General Manager

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,139 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:51 AM

I guess this team has no leaders including Parise, Elias, or Brodeur etc.



Not Parise! OMG! :blink: Parise is always a leader!!, doesnt matter if we lose or win he is a leader and always has other teams defenders key on him which is why he doesnt always score! :giggle:

LOL
  • 0
New Jersey Devils 3 time Stanley Cup Champions 1995 - 2000 - 2003!

Posted Image

#226 DaneykoIsGod

DaneykoIsGod

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,187 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 11:54 AM

You see it all the time with successful companies.

If you worked for a company that was losing market share and upper management couldn't turn the business around with their own strategies and would not listen to the sales force/workers in the field about what is going on, your company is going to fail anyway. Its basically the Emperor's New Clothes.


But stock wasn't falling. The team was in first place. The employees just stopped working hard because they thought their boss was a big fartyhead.

Look, it could be entirely true that Lemaire was pulling all the wrong strings, rubbing everyone the wrong way and being a total dick. But personalities don't have to mesh. Ask the 1980 U.S. Olympic team how much they enjoyed doing "Herbies" until their ankles bled. Coaches can do weird and seemingly inexplicable things, but the player's job is to do what the coach tells him. If it works, the coach is a genius. If it doesn't, the coach is a crackpot who gets canned. But when the players don't do what the coach says, we'll never know if he was a genius or a crackpot.
  • 0
Posted Image

"I don't like those Rangers fans from New Jersey." - Jim Dowd

#227 95Crash

95Crash

    General Manager

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,999 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:13 PM

Maybe Arnott move in with Stevens again!
  • 0



#228 Elias26

Elias26

    Head Coach

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,576 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:15 PM

Damn you guys are persistent. You may get your wish with Langs back as the captain next year. I doubt Johny Mac has the balls to give the C to someone else and his NTC and low pay will be hard for Lou to move and be able to get something comparable. All I can say is, enjoy Mr. :evilcry:
  • 0
Bobby Holik wouldn't name a (Christmas) song. He said: "Music means nothing to me." When Tom Gulitti of the
Record suggested he'd be called Scrooge, Holik said: "It won't be the first time." -Bobby Holik Christmas 2008

“I made a decision to be here. Just because the team is going through a rough time doesn’t mean you leave. This has become my second home. I love playing here. Patrik Elias January 31, 2011

#229 Triumph

Triumph

    A Legend

  • Mod
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 28,067 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 12:52 PM

But stock wasn't falling. The team was in first place. The employees just stopped working hard because they thought their boss was a big fartyhead.

Look, it could be entirely true that Lemaire was pulling all the wrong strings, rubbing everyone the wrong way and being a total dick. But personalities don't have to mesh. Ask the 1980 U.S. Olympic team how much they enjoyed doing "Herbies" until their ankles bled. Coaches can do weird and seemingly inexplicable things, but the player's job is to do what the coach tells him. If it works, the coach is a genius. If it doesn't, the coach is a crackpot who gets canned. But when the players don't do what the coach says, we'll never know if he was a genius or a crackpot.


i think it's really tough to argue that the devils didn't do what lemaire said. i think it's pretty easy to say that lemaire rubbed the players the wrong way. it's not just about personalities meshing - it's about lemaire undermining langenbrunner as captain. whether jamie should've thrown a fit about having the 'C' taken away - he probably shouldn't've. and i think had things on the team been going well, he wouldn't have. i don't think either party, langenbrunner or lemaire, is in the right here. certainly people should continue to work hard when their boss is a jerk, but in reality, most people don't do that.

also, what langenbrunner said in that interview is that he didn't feel like he was playing his best hockey. i think that's a very large difference between that and 'i dogged it and lost on purpose'.

Damn you guys are persistent. You may get your wish with Langs back as the captain next year. I doubt Johny Mac has the balls to give the C to someone else and his NTC and low pay will be hard for Lou to move and be able to get something comparable. All I can say is, enjoy Mr. :evilcry:


may get our wish? i think it's a near-certainty we get 'our wish'. yeah i still wouldn't mind langenbrunner being moved for something of value but it's not going to happen.
  • 0

http://drivingplay.blogspot.com - The blog with three first lines
 


#230 MantaRay

MantaRay

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,450 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:03 PM

But stock wasn't falling. The team was in first place. The employees just stopped working hard because they thought their boss was a big fartyhead.

Look, it could be entirely true that Lemaire was pulling all the wrong strings, rubbing everyone the wrong way and being a total dick. But personalities don't have to mesh. Ask the 1980 U.S. Olympic team how much they enjoyed doing "Herbies" until their ankles bled. Coaches can do weird and seemingly inexplicable things, but the player's job is to do what the coach tells him. If it works, the coach is a genius. If it doesn't, the coach is a crackpot who gets canned. But when the players don't do what the coach says, we'll never know if he was a genius or a crackpot.


Not sure what organization you were watching, but this organizations stock WAS falling.

The Devils were in first place because they were unbeatable in Oct/Nov and parts of December. The wheels came off in early 2010 and were a .500 team from February on.

Not saying personalities have to mesh, but your allusion to Herb is silly. If your selling your team and you get them to believe in a system, the results speak for themselves. If your selling a team on strategies that haven't worked in 20 years coupled with a belief that you think you know everything and refuse to listen to your foot soldiers, again the results speak for themselves. The coach was a crackpot who got canned.

Edited by MantaRay, 21 June 2010 - 01:04 PM.

  • 0
I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04


Posted Image

#231 SatansDevils

SatansDevils

    OOT Scoreboard Specialist

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16,006 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:06 PM

Petr Sykora is available...



Isn't Sykora sufferring from concussion syndrome? I think TG or Chere mentioned in one of their articles that Sykora is not doing all that well and maybe out of hockey now cause of the concussion he had while playing for Minnesota last season. I know he is a UFA, but he may never play again. Does Sykora have anything left in the tank? He maybe done. Not sure.

Edited by SatansDevils, 21 June 2010 - 01:06 PM.

  • 0

brodeurcups.png682 WINS, 124 SHUTOUTSgallery_1080_56_3521.png Keeper of #9-Zach Parise, Brodeur's All-Time Wins/Shutout Record (552+, 104+) FIRE & ICE Lounges @ Prudential Center.
5,580 fans for Devils/Flyers Blizzard game on 2/10/10, RD Avatar Award Winner: '08-'09 for best Avatar


#232 HellOnICE

HellOnICE

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,737 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:09 PM

This organization stock has fallen...who we kidding. We no longer have the prestige that we even had 2 years ago. They need to get that back.
  • 0

#233 DevsMan84

DevsMan84

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,490 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 01:19 PM

This organization stock has fallen...who we kidding. We no longer have the prestige that we even had 2 years ago. They need to get that back.



Funny, I have been saying that here repeatedly, but a handful of people on this board basically want to tar and feather me for it.
  • 0

#234 MantaRay

MantaRay

    A Legend

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,450 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:01 PM

This organization stock has fallen...who we kidding. We no longer have the prestige that we even had 2 years ago. They need to get that back.



While I would agree that we lack the prestige of the Stevens era, I consider the group of individuals in Devils uniforms from February on last season to be an aberration.

We had an unbeatable team in Oct/Nov/Dec. I just don't know where that TEAM went.

I think the foundation is still there. I think Arnott helps alot as our lack of a viable #2 center has killed us come playoff time.
  • 0
I was wrong to ever doubt the powers of Lou Lamoriello.
IN LOU WE TRUST @Manta04


Posted Image

#235 maxpower

maxpower

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,430 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:18 PM

Funny, I have been saying that here repeatedly, but a handful of people on this board basically want to tar and feather me for it.


Uh no, you basically just sh!t on the organization about anything. You're completely self-loathing. You go to the Newark thread to sh!t on Newark, for crissakes.
  • 0

#236 DevsMan84

DevsMan84

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,490 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:19 PM

While I would agree that we lack the prestige of the Stevens era, I consider the group of individuals in Devils uniforms from February on last season to be an aberration.

We had an unbeatable team in Oct/Nov/Dec. I just don't know where that TEAM went.

I think the foundation is still there. I think Arnott helps alot as our lack of a viable #2 center has killed us come playoff time.



An aberration that has happened 3 times in a row? We do well early on and then tank in the new year. This time instead of tanking in March, we got a head start and did it in January.
  • 0

#237 DevsMan84

DevsMan84

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,490 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:22 PM

Uh no, you basically just sh!t on the organization about anything. You're completely self-loathing. You go to the Newark thread to sh!t on Newark, for crissakes.



I provide criticism without calling other people names on here, you just bash me because my opinion of the team isn't so rosy. I sh!t on Newark? Do you live there? If you do not, why not? Are you saying Newark is a safe city to live and work in? If so, then more power to you. Like I have said in that post if you actually read them, it has improved quite a bit, it just still has a long way to go still. I think the try-outs for the Devils Dancers are in August, so better sign up soon!
  • 0

#238 DaneykoIsGod

DaneykoIsGod

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,187 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:22 PM

i think it's really tough to argue that the devils didn't do what lemaire said.


From TG's blog after getting eliminated:

Lemaire said the coaching staff tried to make adjustments on the power play again before tonight’s game, but the again players did not execute.

“We had before the game a certain way to do when we get the puck at the blue line and we had quite a few power plays and we did it once,” Lemaire said. “At a time, I asked a player, ‘Why are we not doing it?’ and there was no answer.”


And I coulda swore there was at least one postgame presser where he made a comment along the lines of "I ask them to do one thing and they do something else." Can't find the quote though. Anyway, I know it's just hearsay, but that's about all we have to go on.

i think it's pretty easy to say that lemaire rubbed the players the wrong way. it's not just about personalities meshing - it's about lemaire undermining langenbrunner as captain.


If you're referring to wanting to give the C to White for the night Langenbrunner was scratched, then I disagree that he was undermining him as captain. Lemaire's been doing this for as long as he's been coaching and it's never been a problem before. From what I can tell, Langenbrunner undermined Lemaire as coach.

And it was Langenbrunner who brought up personalities meshing.

whether jamie should've thrown a fit about having the 'C' taken away - he probably shouldn't've. and i think had things on the team been going well, he wouldn't have. i don't think either party, langenbrunner or lemaire, is in the right here. certainly people should continue to work hard when their boss is a jerk, but in reality, most people don't do that.


I can't really disagree with too much of this. Still, though, if your productivity declines as much as Langenbrunner's did and you come out in the open and discuss it the way Langenbrunner did, I think you're getting fired. Or at least deserve to be.

And I'm not really trying to dismiss Lemaire here. The guy obviously did something wrong and lost the locker room. But he's gone, he's been dealt with. Neither party was right and so far only one has been dealt with.

also, what langenbrunner said in that interview is that he didn't feel like he was playing his best hockey. i think that's a very large difference between that and 'i dogged it and lost on purpose'.


There were a lot of things he said in that article that rubbed me the wrong way:

“There were a few things that happened, a few issues that were tough for me to let go. I probably didn’t handle them correctly. Not all personalities completely mesh, but they are able to work together."


“I was definitely part of it (the disappointment of this spring). I wasn’t playing the way I’m capable. What makes me play well wasn’t there. I wasn’t playing with the excitement I needed to be playing with.”


These are not things I want to hear my captain say.
  • 0
Posted Image

"I don't like those Rangers fans from New Jersey." - Jim Dowd

#239 Neb00rs

Neb00rs

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,623 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:23 PM

i don't think either party, langenbrunner or lemaire, is in the right here. certainly people should continue to work hard when their boss is a jerk, but in reality, most people don't do that.


Of course neither party is in the right here but "Most people" don't have tens of thousands of fans paying their salaries and cheering their names. Langs should have continued to work hard for the fans just like a person continues to work hard just to feed his family, even when he has problems with his boss. Secondly, Jamie wears the "C" which means he is analogous to a supervisor at a "regular" job. This means that if he gives up, everything below him collapses.

So, do I have a gigantic problem with Langs being captain next year? No. But he needs to dig deep within himself to make character improvements. An important trait a captain needs to have is the ability to recognize when pursuing what's best for oneself is not what is best for the team.
  • 0

gallery_47_36_882.png of No One
Proud to be King of the Kovalnuts (Est. June 2010 by MantaRay)


#240 HellOnICE

HellOnICE

    Hall of Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,737 posts

Posted 21 June 2010 - 02:28 PM

I think the problem with the way the Devils play is that it's unsustainable. These guys, the way JL wanted, and what Marty wants - is that these guys need to play shutdown hockey for 82 games a year. It really is impossible to do that, and by January these guys are spent because they aren't 'playing hockey' - they are 'thinking hockey'. It's too much.

These guys need to be let go.
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users