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#3241 Neb00rs

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 03:45 PM

Funny thing is, when Mats pulled a Brett Favre and decided to come back and play with a team on the other side of Canada, that's more or less what he did on his own.

But like GB with Favre, Sundin knew Toronto wouldn't take him back.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 03:45 PM

Why stop there? Why not make it a 80 year, $104million deal, the same as this purported one only with an additional $2mill spread over the last 63 years. (that's a cap hit of $1.3million in case you wanted to know)

I think one way to absolutely end the whole practice would be to make cap hit the larger of the following two things: the actual salary for the player this season; the average salary over the lifetime of the contract. Obviously no GM would ever sign a player to a deal with different salaries in different years ever again, so that squashes the idea altogether.
Unless there's something I'm missing?


I think the better solution is to require teams to "pay back" the cap hit if a player retires early and total salary paid is great than the total cap space used.

e.g., you sign someone to a 15-year deal at $8m for the first 10 and $2m for the last 5. This is a cap hit of $6m. Now let's say the player retires after year 10.

Total salary paid after 10 years = $80m

Total cap value used in those 10 years = $60m

The team "owes" $20m in cap value, so they should required to pay that back. The simplest would be to pay the total $20m over the remaining years of the contract for a cap hit of $4m in each of the next 5 years.

The idea behind this is that by creating a front-loaded contract, the team effectively borrows cap space from the later years of the contract during the early years of the contract. For fairness, at the end of the contract total cap hit should be the same as total salary paid, so the team should have to "pay back" the cap space they borrowed from the later years of the contract. This would take away the impetus for deals where the team expects the player to retire before the end.

Similarly, if a player retires or otherwise leaves the NHL before the end of a back-loaded deal, the team should get a cap credit. Take a deal paying $1m in year 1 and $4m in years 2 and 3 for a cap hit of $3m. If the player retires after year 1, the team will have used $3m in cap space but only paid the player $1m. They should get a $2m total cap credit, or $1m in each of the last 2 years of the contract.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 03:49 PM

I think the better solution is to require teams to "pay back" the cap hit if a player retires early and total salary paid is great than the total cap space used.

e.g., you sign someone to a 15-year deal at $8m for the first 10 and $2m for the last 5. This is a cap hit of $6m. Now let's say the player retires after year 10.

Total salary paid after 10 years = $80m

Total cap value used in those 10 years = $60m

The team "owes" $20m in cap value, so they should required to pay that back. The simplest would be to pay the total $20m over the remaining years of the contract for a cap hit of $4m in each of the next 5 years.

This is a good idea. But, the problem is that the penalty does not count against the cap. A team like NYR or Chicago wouldn't mind paying the cap hit back if they really wanted to pull a long-term offer with a low cap hit.

Really all that is, is a long-term luxury tax.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:02 PM

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:34 PM

The pace in this thread has slowed. I don't think many people care anymore.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:34 PM

Sign. Don't Sign. Whatever.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:38 PM

Monday I'd guess... waited so long might as well give it the weekend to convince the wife... maybe a trip to the Jersey Shore? A night at the Borgota? A quick drive from EWR to NYC for the Day?


So you want Kovy to convince his wife that NJ is great by taking a trip to the Jersey shore? Do you realize what you just said?
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:39 PM

The pace in this thread has slowed. I don't think many people care anymore.

8 days of this crap + the weekend = i'm getting hamammered the next couple days.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:42 PM

So you want Kovy to convince his wife that NJ is great by taking a trip to the Jersey shore? Do you realize what you just said?

LBI is beautiful, please don't tell me you think the Jersey shore is actually like what you see on the Jersey Shore (the show).
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:45 PM

LBI is beautiful, please don't tell me you think the Jersey shore is actually like what you see on the Jersey Shore (the show).


No, I think the Jersey shore is actually like what I see when I go down to the Jersey shore. Namely, millions of people on top of each other, broskies, attention-seeking frat whores and white trash families with their white trash children (read: Flyers fans). Of course, there is the sprinkling of normal people, but yea, 90% of it is what I just described.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:47 PM

No, I think the Jersey shore is actually like what I see when I go down to the Jersey shore. Namely, millions of people everywhere, broskies, attention-seeking frat whores and white trash families with their white trash children (read: Flyers fans). Of course, there is the sprinkling of normal people, but yea, 90% of it is what I just described.


So then stop going to Seaside. My shore house is in Normandy Beach which is on the island right smack between where Seaside and Point Pleasant is. Private beach, no meateads or fist pumping.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:47 PM

So you want Kovy to convince his wife that NJ is great by taking a trip to the Jersey shore? Do you realize what you just said?


This is what I meant
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:50 PM

This is what I meant


Hmm I'm never one to miss sarcasm, definitely didn't detect it in your post (the Borgata is nice and so is a day-trip to NYC). If it was sarcasm, my apologies.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:50 PM

So then stop going to Seaside. My shore house is in Normandy Beach which is on the island right smack between where Seaside and Point Pleasant is. Private beach, no meateads or fist pumping.


Yeah, my parents have a house right nearby. Seaside's fun on occasion, but most definitely a freak show. Hey, Kovy should buy that house on the island in the bay.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

This is what I meant

Yeah no offense but that post didn't sound like it had a lick of sarcasm.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

That house in the bay that has it's own island? That thing is ridiculous... wonder who actually lives there. If I can find out the actual address I can figure it out.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:52 PM

if you want to change the Jersey Shore image just call it a BEACH! The whole shore thing is so, well, Jersey. It's the beach people.
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:55 PM

So then stop going to Seaside. My shore house is in Normandy Beach which is on the island right smack between where Seaside and Point Pleasant is. Private beach, no meateads or fist pumping.


How am I supposed to go to Normandy Beach instead of Seaside if it's a private beach?
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:56 PM

Hmm I'm never one to miss sarcasm, definitely didn't detect it in your post (the Borgata is nice and so is a day-trip to NYC). If it was sarcasm, my apologies.


none of those things are very glamorous or are going to lure anyone here.... sort of the best we have... for better or worse
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Posted 09 July 2010 - 04:57 PM

How am I supposed to go to Normandy Beach instead of Seaside if it's a private beach?


My point is just that a small percentage of the Jersey Shore is like Seaside. There are a lot of great places to go other than Seaside where you can have a great relaxing and fun time.
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