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I just don't see how you can start at this contract when you already allowed the Hossa, Richards, and Pronger deals.
New Kovy Update ("As the Kovy Turns")
Started by DevsFan7545, Jul 01 2010 07:06 PM
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:44 PM
Hossa deal is the very same thing...Lou will win in court and the NHL will look stupid.
it's not the same thing. kovalchuk's deal goes longer than anyone else's.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:45 PM
Wow...I mean right after the press conference? You know Lou was caught off guard by this
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:45 PM
Well make it 15...no big deal here
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM
it's not the same thing. kovalchuk's deal goes longer than anyone else's.
Unless the NHL has evidence that Kovy does not plan to play out his deal, the contract is legit.
Playing at age 44 (especiallly a player of Ilya's skill level) is not unheard of.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM
Get your lawyer, JVB. This is going to get ugly.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM
Unless the NHL has evidence that Kovy does not plan to play out his deal, the contract is legit.
Playing at age 44 (especiallly a player of Ilya's skill level) is not unheard of.
see: Gordie freaking Howe
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:46 PM
Unless the NHL has evidence that Kovy does not plan to play out his deal, the contract is legit.
Playing at age 44 (especiallly a player of Ilya's skill level) is not unheard of.
Exactly (See Chris Chelios)
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:47 PM
it's not the same thing. kovalchuk's deal goes longer than anyone else's.
The length of the contract isn't what is in question, I would say its the age at which they are when the contract ends. How old is Hossa when his contract is up?
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:47 PM
Unless the NHL has evidence that Kovy does not plan to play out his deal, the contract is legit.
Playing at age 44 (especiallly a player of Ilya's skill level) is not unheard of.
it is exceptionally rare. as far as i know the only players who have played at age 44 are howe and chelios.
the nhl would have to allow a 15 year deal, though, which at 102 million would put kovalchuk's cap hit at 6.8.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:47 PM
I'd hate to be in the room when Lou received that news, holy crap.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:48 PM
Well make it 15...no big deal here
unless he takes a discount on the price, the cap hit goes from 6 a year to 6.8
he'd have to take less money
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:48 PM
The length of the contract isn't what is in question, I would say its the age at which they are when the contract ends. How old is Hossa when his contract is up?
i mean the same thing. hossa is 42 when his contract ends. so is pronger, i believe.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:48 PM
Curious if Lou will take this to court. There is precedent with the Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, and Pronger contracts, though Kovy's contract goes much farther in terms of the difference between largest salary and cap hit. Though to be fair the way the money is spread out in the front end is very different... If I were Lou I'd argue that the average value over the "big" years of the contract (1st 10) is only 8.8m, which is actually not very different from the aforementioned contracts.
Difference btw largest year and cap hit
Pronger: 7.6 - 4.9 = 2.7
Hossa: 7.9 - 5.275 = 2.625
Zetterberg: 7.4 - 6.1 = 1.3
Franzen: 5.5 - 4.9 = 1.6
Kovy: 11.5 - 6 = 5.5
Huge difference there, but if you take the average given above (over the 1st 10 years), you get:
Kovy: 8.8 - 6 = 2.8
That's in line with Pronger's contract, which goes to age 42.
Difference btw largest year and cap hit
Pronger: 7.6 - 4.9 = 2.7
Hossa: 7.9 - 5.275 = 2.625
Zetterberg: 7.4 - 6.1 = 1.3
Franzen: 5.5 - 4.9 = 1.6
Kovy: 11.5 - 6 = 5.5
Huge difference there, but if you take the average given above (over the 1st 10 years), you get:
Kovy: 8.8 - 6 = 2.8
That's in line with Pronger's contract, which goes to age 42.
Edited by David Puddy, 20 July 2010 - 08:49 PM.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:49 PM
First we had the "Brodeur Rule" and now we have the "Kovy Rule".
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So is this a big "uh oh," or small beans or what?
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:50 PM
Curious if Lou will take this to court. There is precedent with the Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, and Pronger contracts, though Kovy's contract goes much farther in terms of the difference between largest salary and cap hit. Though to be fair the way the money is spread out in the front end is very different... If I were Lou I'd argue that the average value over the "big" years of the contract (1st 10) is only 8.8m, which is actually not very different from the aforementioned contracts.
Difference btw largest year and cap hit
Pronger: 7.6 - 4.9 = 2.7
Hossa: 7.9 - 5.275 = 2.625
Zetterberg: 7.4 - 6.1 = 1.3
Franzen: 5.5 - 4.9 = 1.6
Kovy: 11.5 - 6 = 5.5
Huge difference there, but if you take the average given above (over the 1st 10 years), you get:
Kovy: 8.8 - 6 = 2.8
That's in line with Pronger's contract, which goes to age 42.
Again, it doesn't matter WHAT he is paid. The only way the NHL can veto this is if they have evidence that Kovy plans to retire on year 12. Otherwise, having a 43 year old player with a 6 mill cap hit is.. not circumventing the cap.
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