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#5961 DevsFan7545

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:59 PM

Is there even a chance we could lose him???
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 10:59 PM

TSN Insider Darren Dreger explains that the deal was rejected due to the fact that the NHL does not believe that either Kovalchuk nor the Devils expected the 2004 Rocket Richard trophy winner would be playing near end of the contract and that it is a case of artificially lowering the annual average value of the contract.


Interesting wording. I don't see how the NHL would believe Kovalchuk wouldn't be playing near his 44th birthday while believing Luongo and Pronger would play near their 43rd and Hossa near his 42nd.

Or maybe I'm just tired and am reading into things that aren't really there.

STUPID NHL! CAN'T YOU DO THIS DURING THE DAY AND NOT JUST AS I'M GOING TO BED! :rant:

OK, I'm done. See ya'll tomorrow.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:01 PM

Sorry I'm late. I hope it's already been said throughout this thread that this is bullsh!t. Someone in NHL management has an axe to grind with the Devils (who could that be?) and decided to reject this contract. It's probably been said already but if this was the Kings with the same offer it would be a done deal.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:02 PM

Sorry I'm late. I hope it's already been said throughout this thread that this is bullsh!t. Someone in NHL management has an axe to grind with the Devils (who could that be?) and decided to reject this contract. It's probably been said already but if this was the Kings with the same offer it would be a done deal.


could this be related to the stevens/shanahan fiasco in early 90's
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:04 PM

yep, my ignorant brother is a blasphemous PENGUINS fan. He always says I'm not a hockey fan, just a Devils fan. You're DAMN RIGHT. All the $hit we get year after year, the money we had to pay the rangers to even exist, the fact that 3 CUPS isn't cause for 100x more respect than we get and the whining and bitching about our "trap" and the rules to prevent our players from what we do best, just because others can't. If nothing else, it comes down to G.D. JERSEY PRIDE! If you're in love with the Ranjerks, move to New York, if you're a Penguin Pinhead, move to Pittsburgh. It's not even just hockey, I also have to feel a certain amount of rage anytime NJ is the butt of off the cuff TV/movie jokes, regarded as "dirty" because all people see is the Newark port and think the whole state is like that, and of course the classic "what exit" remark you get from New Yorkers.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:04 PM

Sorry I'm late. I hope it's already been said throughout this thread that this is bullsh!t. Someone in NHL management has an axe to grind with the Devils (who could that be?) and decided to reject this contract. It's probably been said already but if this was the Kings with the same offer it would be a done deal.


yeah i doubt it has anything to do with the fact that kovalchuk's contract is longer than any of these other contracts
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:04 PM

http://prohockeytalk...er&utm_term=NHL

First, here's a quick take from Nick Kypreos.

PA has 5 days to file grievance. Then league/PA must find independent arbitrator that's mutually agreed upon. Root canal sounds more fun!

TSN's James Duthie explains the consequences of a potential arbitration.

If grieved, arbitration is binding. If arb. rules in favour of NHL, he is supposed to fix deal so it "conforms to the requirements" of CBA.

(Darren Dreger added that the deal would be "dead" if the NHL player's association filed a grievance "until an arbitrator decides otherwise.")

John Shannon reports that the contract could either be changed or a grievance could be filed within five days. Cap Geek says that a resolution could be reached within three days in a best case scenario while the worst case scenario would see the deal settled within 15 days. (Ugh.)

Kyle "Spector" Richardson provides a broader explanation of the next possible steps.

So now it's up to either the Devils to restructure & re-file the contract or the PA to grieve it on Kovalchuk's behalf.

Again, it's important to note that the NHL hasn't made an official announcement on the deal being rejected, although that might be a formality at this point. Who knows? This might just be a lot of mildly entertaining banter over a technicality or two, but the two sides could indeed go through an ugly and rare arbitration process. We'll keep you up to date with everything from the rumors to the solid facts as this situation goes along.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:05 PM

No, but Bettman could lose any shred of respect he still has in this league.

What is this "shred of respect" you speak of?

yeah i doubt it has anything to do with the fact that kovalchuk's contract is longer than any of these other contracts

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:09 PM

could this be related to the stevens/shanahan fiasco in early 90's


Nah. That was done by the book. The free agent rules were very strict at the time - they were essentially forced trades. If the team losing the player didn't accept the other teams' compensation, they could counter with their own proposed compensation. If that was in turn rejected, it went to arbitration where one of the two compensation arrangements would be picked. St. Louis had to compensate for signing Shanahan and the Devils made the case that Rod Brind'amour and Curtis Joseph were useless to them. Hence, Scott Stevens.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:10 PM

Is there a chance Kovy could leave and sign with someone else??
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:10 PM

So i was listening to some of my Less Than Jake cds and noticed that the chorus of this song sounds like hes saying "thats why they call him Ilya." I know that those are not the actual lyrics but it is pretty damn funny.

Thats why they call him ilya song
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:11 PM

Why doesnt Lou just make the Deal 15 years at 102Mil

Edited by DevsFan7545, 20 July 2010 - 11:11 PM.

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:13 PM

Why doesnt Lou just make the Deal 15 years at 102Mil


cap hit goes from 6 mil to 6.8

not a big deal but then it complicates who you need to trade.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:14 PM

cap hit goes from 6 mil to 6.8

not a big deal but then it complicates who you need to trade.


Yes but a Kovy signed under a 7mil cap hit is a steal either way
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:15 PM

my main concern is this:

Is there a possibility that Kovalchuk could leave?

Is this issue just a few tweaks to the contract to make it more acceptable for the NHL?
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:15 PM

I have a bad feeling Lou slipped up with his comments today. I mean, why else, in the name of all that which does not suck, would the league wait until after the press conference announcing the signing to reject the contract? Kovalchuk apparently agreed to terms on Saturday. SATURDAY! It's Tuesday freaking night. I honestly can't think of any other reason for the timing to be what it is besides Bettman saying, "Ah jeez, the guy who wrote the contract just came out and said we shouldn't have contracts like this. We're gonna look really bad if we let it slide now."

OK, NOW I'm done. For realsies.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:16 PM

He'll veto our championship and have Caps play the Penguins for the Cup instead

:lol: Well played.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:17 PM

Yes but a Kovy signed under a 7mil cap hit is a steal either way


right, but i think the cap hit got us here to begin with.

bettmans pissed kovy is making less annually than he is. ironic, huh?

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:18 PM

right, but i think the cap hit got us here to begin with.

bettmans pissed kovy is making less annually than he is. ironic, huh?


ha, Lou and the NHLPA will destroy Bettman
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:19 PM

Sorry I'm late. I hope it's already been said throughout this thread that this is bullsh!t. Someone in NHL management has an axe to grind with the Devils (who could that be?) and decided to reject this contract. It's probably been said already but if this was the Kings with the same offer it would be a done deal.


AEG is the Almighty Powerful. Anschutz Company clout can influence anyone, obvious now.

Had a feeling this deal wasn't going to be easy... Bettmann is a sellout.
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