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[CarpathianForest]

If there is a lockout maybe some folks will create a startup hockey league like Al Bundy did when baseball went on strike.

[DevsMan84]

Third post on page 333. Daneyko WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I am going to drink 3 beers in honor of Daneyko for this.

If there is a lockout maybe some folks will create a startup hockey league like Al Bundy did when baseball went on strike.

We had this idea a few pages ago. We are going to call it Xtreme Hockey League and it will be run by the WWE. This cannot fail!

[maxpower]

i hope not, I dont want to be forced to watch NETS basketball games and reruns of Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

who said there would be basketball. they're due to go a year earlier. maybe if the NHL finds a way to violate the CBA, the PA can call a strike in a tit for tat move and then EVERYONE will have a work stoppage at once.

[CarpathianForest]

Have the pro basketball players play hockey and have the pro hockey players play basketball.

Edited by CarpathianForest, 22 July 2010 - 02:37 PM.

[DaneykoIsGod]

How long were you waiting for that to happen?

20 days, 19 hours and eight minutes, apparently.

(Thread merging prevented a "PAGE 300! WOOOOO!" moment. I figured this was as close as I would get.)

[RolandNJD]

Third post on page 333. Daneyko WOOOOOOOOOOOO!

At this rate, 444 will be up soon. Maybe even get to 3030, though that's not a retired number yet.

Edited by RolandNJD, 22 July 2010 - 02:42 PM.

[CarpathianForest]

At this rate, 444 will be up soon. Maybe even get to 3030, though that's not a retired number yet.

Deltron 3030-good album

[ice dog]

i hate this!!! why can't we enjoy our once in a lifetime UFA signing without Gary Bettman ruining it!!!
He wanted the Devils in Nashville...now this... why's he always pissing in our cheerios??

[CarpathianForest]

i hate this!!! why can't we enjoy our once in a lifetime UFA signing without Gary Bettman ruining it!!!
He wanted the Devils in Nashville...now this... why's he always pissing in our cheerios??

Gary pissed on The Lou's rug.

[maxpower]

i hate this!!! why can't we enjoy our once in a lifetime UFA signing without Gary Bettman ruining it!!!
He wanted the Devils in Nashville...now this... why's he always pissing in our cheerios??

Lou and McMullen "wanted" the Devils in Nashville. they were the ones touring arena sites

[DevsMan84]

Lou and McMullen "wanted" the Devils in Nashville. they were the ones touring arena sites

Correct and I think this is a bad example that some people are using here of Bettman's ineptness. A better example is what is going on in Phoenix.

[Par9]

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

[maxpower]

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

smart thing to do would have been to structure the Kovalchuk deal 100% the same way as the Hossa deal. just with more money involved, but the salary scale and years exactly the same, maybe add a year or two but balance it out fairly.

both sides were dumb. it would be hilarious if they lost Kovalchuk because of poor contract structure after the dog and pony show. it would obliterate what would have been otherwise a good offseason, if they had not signed Kovalchuk at all.

Edited by maxpower, 22 July 2010 - 03:24 PM.

[CADevilsFan]

After the Hossa deal the NHL should of just said "Alright that was the last loophole contract". Instead now they started a unnecessarily fight. Smart thing to do, let Kovy deal through then say no more instead of say no when one of these contracts comes up.

Hard to do that when the CBA allows it and you just set more precedents until they finally say stop. IMO, after last season with Pronger and Hossa, they should have just let it go until the next round of CBA negotiations.

However, as it has been said on this board that would have weakened their position for the next negotiation. It's entirely possible that if this does go to the arbitrator and if the NHLPA wins then it would make for some fierce negotiations in 2012.

[grcenter47]

If there is a lockout maybe some folks will create a startup hockey league like Al Bundy did when baseball went on strike.

HAHAHA best episode ever

[ice dog]

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Edited by ice dog, 22 July 2010 - 04:22 PM.

[ice dog]

Lou and McMullen "wanted" the Devils in Nashville. they were the ones touring arena sites

Correct and I think this is a bad example that some people are using here of Bettman's ineptness. A better example is what is going on in Phoenix.

are you serious...lou and mcmullen were looking for arena sites in nashville?
guess Lou just wanted to remain employed...unbelievable...ruins it for me.
almost like finding out there's no santa claus.

when i was a kid i did not follow that bad trip except for some of the headlines in the star-ledger.
can't imagine lou with the country fvcks in nashville...sickening

[Masked Fan]

Let me explain this nice and slowly...
Now, a coherent response is welcome. I don't know how to respond to smiley faces and name calling.

Ugh what a mess. Looks like this is heading to arbitration. I really hope Lou can still proceed with the moves necessary to clear up the cap space, etc. If he waits until the final decision, it could be too late.

Well there's your only reason Buttman needed to veto the contract right there.

because they'd save everyone involved a lot of trouble if they acquiesced.

Mainly us.

If this were the political forum I'd call that a real non-American, Democratic way of doing things.

this is still fvcking team goddamnit

That's what I thought too, that a new deal could be created to avoid the arbitration...in fact the rule I posted seems to suggest it. But I agree with you, that since I haven't heard any sportswriters mention the clause I posted it doesn't apply for some reason.

But doing so does say, "OK WE agree that the first contract was a farse and not legal" By sticking by the 17 yr deal they are saying it is legit and should stick.

I feel like this is a situation where the system works. In order to sign Kovalchuk for a reasonable cap hit, the team had to commit to him long term,

That right there should be allowed and rewarded. The team is taking a risk yoking themselves to ANYONE long term. There is a risk to that.

If the NHL loses then everyone knows the NHL has no bullets left to fire. You don't waste your last bullet on a shot across the bow, IMO.

Unless you are trying to scare a sh!tload of muggers (GM's) with only one bullet.

Edited by Masked Fan, 22 July 2010 - 04:54 PM.

[maxpower]

are you serious...lou and mcmullen were looking for arena sites in nashville?
guess Lou just wanted to remain employed...unbelievable...ruins it for me.
almost like finding out there's no santa claus.

when i was a kid i did not follow that bad trip except for some of the headlines in the star-ledger.
can't imagine lou with the country fvcks in nashville...sickening

it's in "'s. I have no idea what their real intention was, to get concessions, or if they would have moved the team had they lost and couldn't get what they'd want.

but they were definately there.

[Devils731]

Just reading through the CBA some more these were of interest:

26.12 Joint Discussions on Possible Circumventions. Each Investigator shall notify
the other after he has concluded an investigation under Section 26.10. Within three (3)
days after such notification, and prior to the Investigator's issuance of a report concerning
the results of such investigation, the parties shall meet and confer to try to resolve the
matter. If the parties reach a resolution, the Investigator reserves the discretion as to
whether to issue a report concerning the alleged Circumvention. If the matter is not
resolved, the Investigator shall issue a report concerning the alleged Circumvention.
Neither the NHL nor NHLPA may commence any action before the System Arbitrator
pursuant to Section 26.13 below prior to the parties having met and conferred pursuant to
this Section 26.12.

So once a grievance is filed(and a systems arbitrator picked) an investigator goes through everyone's emails and stuff, or whatever the arbitrator will allow.

Then the investigator tells makes a report(I'm assuming he does this even though it's not being released yet) of their opinion on if circumvention has happened.

Then Kovy, Grossman, The Devils, The NHL, and probably the investigator meet up and try to resolve the issue before going to the arbitrator.

If they don't come to an agreement then the parties go before the arbitrator and the investigator issues his report.

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So really there is no need for the Devils and Kovy to renegotiate now. They have until the investigation is completed, before the actual arbitration, to construct something with the league that works for everyone. After the investigation everyone would probably have a better idea on where they stand.

The System Arbitrator may find a Circumvention has occurred based on
direct or circumstantial evidence, including without limitation, evidence that an SPC or
any provision of an SPC cannot reasonably be explained in the absence of conduct
prohibited by this Article 26. The investigation and findings of the Investigator pursuant
to Section 26.10 shall be fully admissible in any proceeding before the System Arbitrator
under this Section 26.13.

That shows that direct proof isn't needed for either side to make their case.

Edited by Devils731, 22 July 2010 - 05:02 PM.