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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:25 PM

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Well that's good, I think. Provided it's accurate.

They knew - this is obvious to me. They knew it was probably going to get rejected before the league told them. I think Grossman and Lou have been gameplanning this for a few days now (possibly more) and are fully prepared to fight this. They know exactly what moves they want to make.

Either they know that the NHLPA will file a grievance.

Or they just wanted to give this contract a shot and if it doesn't get accepted in the end, they figured they'd just restructure - which is really not that difficult.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:27 PM

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Well that's good, I think. Provided it's accurate.



While I'd like something more than Gilutti's "understanding", I'm pretty relieved.


for sure. i would say this all but guarantees he's a devil. they all knew that it was a 99% chance the league was going to reject it, but they TOGETHER tried to call the NHL's bluff. now you know why kovy said what he said - specifically about playing the whole 17 years - and why lou said what we all thought was dumb - about the loophole because he's gotta try and fight for his team via a player and still the league as a member of the owners.

if it doesn't work - they'll go the 15/102 route and structure it with the $1MM years at the end as others suggested.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:28 PM

While I'd like something more than Gilutti's "understanding", I'm pretty relieved.


It's in the CBA that both sides get notified, I just forget where. So I don't think the league would under the table inform one and not the other.

Edited by Devils731, 22 July 2010 - 07:29 PM.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:32 PM

for sure. i would say this all but guarantees he's a devil. they all knew that it was a 99% chance the league was going to reject it, but they TOGETHER tried to call the NHL's bluff. now you know why kovy said what he said - specifically about playing the whole 17 years - and why lou said what we all thought was dumb - about the loophole because he's gotta try and fight for his team via a player and still the league as a member of the owners.

if it doesn't work - they'll go the 15/102 route and structure it with the $1MM years at the end as others suggested.

Basically exactly what I just said.

And as you said and as I should have added: there is no need to worry whether Kovy will be a Devil or not. Kovy is a Devil period. He made his decision. Just because that exact deal won't go through doesn't mean it won't be easy for the Devils to give him a near equal offer. The offer change will hurt the Devils not Kovy. So this doesn't matter to Kovy.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:35 PM

And as you said and as I should have added: there is no need to worry whether Kovy will be a Devil or not. Kovy is a Devil period. He made his decision.


Amen to that brother!
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:38 PM

It's in the CBA that both sides get notified, I just forget where. So I don't think the league would under the table inform one and not the other.


I would imagine the CBA provision you're looking at deals with "official" notice. It appears that the NHL gave an unofficial heads up to Lou on Monday night if the reports are correct.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:00 PM

That's the best news we could have gotten. Grossman and Kovalchuk were ready for the rejection and knew the stakes. They are in this together with us. I'd have to say that at this point in time, it's the best news we could hope for.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:08 PM

I would imagine the CBA provision you're looking at deals with "official" notice. It appears that the NHL gave an unofficial heads up to Lou on Monday night if the reports are correct.


Right, so as I said I don't think the NHL would give under the table notice to one and not the other, since officially they have to give notice to both when it really goes down. The NHL would have wanted either party to back away from signing it at that point.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:09 PM

For those who care, short run down of Hradek interview...

Believes (hasn't heard) NHLPA will appeal decision, perhaps tomorrow. Didn't say he knew one way or the other whether a revised deal is being discussed. Believes that if goes to arbitration, arbitrator will approve the deal based on league approval of similar deals. Noted that one side could slow down the arbitration because of no system arbitrator if it wanted to. Ownership/Lou is accutely aware that deal with Kovalchuk needs to take into account ability of re-signing Parise.

In short, nothing particularly interesting.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

I don't like how this thread has reverted to hockey talk
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:46 PM

I don't like how this thread has reverted to hockey talk


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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:51 PM

I don't like how this thread has reverted to hockey talk

it's sickening really :razz:
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:53 PM

QUICK, WHERE'S GHDI WITH A NEW SEXY NINJA?!

I'm probably in the minority alone here but I think the ninja thing is stupid...I seriously would rather watch Islanders highlights.

Let the onlslaught commence...
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:53 PM

I'm probably in the minority alone here but I think the ninja thing is stupid...I seriously would rather watch Islanders highlights.

Let the onlslaught commence...


i agree
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:58 PM

Can't fathom why Lou, Vanderbeek, Grossman, and Kovy would go ahead and sign and announce a deal they knew would be rejected? What is the method to the madness? When will it end?
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:58 PM

i agree

:yay: I'm not alone.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:00 PM

Can't fathom why Lou, Vanderbeek, Grossman, and Kovy would go ahead and sign and announce a deal they knew would be rejected? What is the method to the madness? When will it end?

There are two possible reasons they did this:

A. They decided to try and bluff the league on the off-chance it would be approved. The consequences for getting rejected are minimal to non-existent. Now the Devils can just make a new offer.

B. They have a plan and figure they can beat the league's ruling and get the contract approved.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:15 PM

That's the best news we could have gotten. Grossman and Kovalchuk were ready for the rejection and knew the stakes. They are in this together with us. I'd have to say that at this point in time, it's the best news we could hope for.

No doubt- that's the news I've been hoping to hear since this whole process began. I feel much better.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:16 PM

No more Kovalchuk is a Devil for life on the Devils website :unsure:
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:17 PM

No more Kovalchuk is a Devil for life on the Devils website :unsure:

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