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#6781 Neb00rs

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:15 PM

I really wanted to post something about how I thought Lou was gonna go about fighting the rejection but I'll wait until this thread is less stupid.

So Manta will get this as his Kovy Jersey? Didn't he say that he would get one if Kovy resigned here?

As I said before: He promised to buy a Kovy jersey and change his avatar in honor of Kovy.

Who's gonna be the first to get a Devils No. 17 jersey with "CIRCUMVENTION" on the back?

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:15 PM

Does anyone know if there's any way to download videos from NJDTV? I'd really like to get that 'Kovalchuk returns' video.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:18 PM

This is a good one too.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:21 PM

Just posting this because out of all the cheesy PR photos they took after the presser, this one's my favorite.

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hey - he's standing on my brick!
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:27 PM

Problem is, the Devils played the trap and a team concept from 94 to 05 was to be able to compete with other teams who were loaded with stars due to being more financially well off. This served them well in the clutch and grab era, but not so much in the post-lockout era. Looking at all the teams that won the cup in the 90's, I'd have to admit just going through the rosters the 95 Devils were the least talented team to win the cup. They won because of the trap and the trap worked because they worked as a team. Also having a young Brodeur, streaking Lemieux and steady Stevens also helped. In this day and age, a team has to have a couple of bona-fide stars to keep up and Kovy fits in that mold. If he at least buys into the concept of trying to do less since he has more support here than in Atlanta, then he should do at least fairly well here.


So far as raw numbers, in the first two years of Lemaire's first stint ('93-94, 94-95), the Devils fared pretty well in goals scored. I'm not a nuts and bolts hockey guy, but it seems to me that when only one team on the ice is playing the trap, which is a system that is based just as much on counter-attack as it is on defense, it can do pretty well offensively. It's when both teams play the trap is when the goal total really starts to suffer. (There was a saying in the late 90s that "all teams play the trap.") That was the story from '97 to '99. Partly because Lemaire was gone, but also because of players like Niedermeyer, Arnott, Skora, Elias reaching their prime, and with the addition of Mogilny, the team did well offensively, in factleading the league in goals in 2000-2001.

And you don't necessarily need bona-fide stars to win the Cup, even today. (It certainly helps, but it's not the end all be all). Look at the Carolina/Edmonton finals series in 2006. Not too many superstars on those teams. At most maybe Pronger and Stahl count, but that's about all I can think of off the top of my head. Or you can look at Washington that has arguably the most superstar laden team in the league, yet playoff success, for the most part, has alluded them.

It's not a one-sized fits all approach that translates into success. The most you can say is that it's really more about balance than anything else. That's why the good GMs are the ones that can accurately assess where a team needs to improve from season to season and getting the right personnel for the job (add into the equation good cap management and drafting). Since the lockout, I think Lou has done fairly well on the first part, but has been at best below average on the second part (see, Rolston, Malakhov, Mogilny, Zubrus, Leamire). Whether it was Lou or Vanderbeek, or a combination of the two, I think the team will have righted the ship this year.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:27 PM

Does anyone know if there's any way to download videos from NJDTV? I'd really like to get that 'Kovalchuk returns' video.



If this helps here is the link and maybe download the link to a Youtube account.

Kovy Returns....

http://devils.nhl.tv...id=745&id=74033
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:32 PM

Just posting this because out of all the cheesy PR photos they took after the presser, this one's my favorite.

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I still get a total broner seeing this pic :evil:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:34 PM

Not sure if this was posted already.

NHL may not have a leg to stand on.

http://www.nationalp...l#ixzz0uWyo7gTr

The collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and NHLPA is a 452-page document that covers off everything from the salary cap and standard player contracts to whether teams should pay moving expenses for traded players.
It is quite massive. And, at first glance, it seems to have ...thought of everything.
Well, almost everything.

On Tuesday, the league rejected a 17-year contract worth US$102-million between Ilya Kovalchuk and the New Jersey Devils on the grounds that it circumvented the CBA. The contract, which expires when Kovalchuk will be 44 years old, is reportedly contentious because the salary dramatically drops to US$550,000 in each of the final five years.

But several player agents said if the matter goes before an arbitrator, the league would soon find out that it "doesn't have much of a leg to stand on."

"I can tell you that during bargaining, that the league was not successful in negotiating rules to limit the length of contract a player can sign with a club," said player agent Ian Pulver, who was one of the authors of the CBA. "So the NHL is going to have to show evidence that the club and the player were trying to defeat rules in the collective agreement, because they can't certainly prove that a player will not play when he's 44 years old.

"You have to have the evidence to support that. Saying 'we think' is not strong enough."
Indeed, there is nothing in the language of the CBA that limits the number of years on a player contract. Neither is there any proof that Kovalchuk will not be playing in 2026-27.


I hope the NHLPA, Kovy and Jay Grossman nail the NHL and Bettman to a wall when they win this case. The NHL and Bettman made a big mistake to use Lou and the Devils as an example IMO.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:37 PM

And you don't necessarily need bona-fide stars to win the Cup, even today. (It certainly helps, but it's not the end all be all). Look at the Carolina/Edmonton finals series in 2006. Not too many superstars on those teams. At most maybe Pronger and Stahl count, but that's about all I can think of off the top of my head.

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

Any bets that this reaches Sept?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

This is a good one too.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

This is a good one too.

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First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D
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#6793 Daniel

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.


The starting point everyone seems to be talking about is the lock-out, so it really has only been five seasons. So far as I'm concerned, there isn't a large enough sample size to make categorical statements that this or that component is the key. I can also add that Montreal making it to the conference finals, beating Washington and Pittsburgh in the process, also supports the non-silver bullet theory.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.



Exactly, that is the only series I can think of since the lockout that didn't have a good amount of bona-fide stars on it. Just how the game is and since the lockout, the game is going towards the shooting gallery known as the 80's and early 90's era of hockey.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:50 PM

Not sure if this was posted already.

NHL may not have a leg to stand on.

http://www.nationalp...l#ixzz0uWyo7gTr



I hope the NHLPA, Kovy and Jay Grossman nail the NHL and Bettman to a wall when they win this case. The NHL and Bettman made a big mistake to use Lou and the Devils as an example IMO.



I doubt you'll find an agent who's going to do anything but tout the party line.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

Don't know why haters refer to Marty as fat. BTW nice belt and pants Marty! Obviously he's going to retire in Palm Beach.



He was a little overweight (by athlete standards that is) back about 3 years ago and he even admitted himself he needed to lose a few pounds then. Now, he is at a good weight and is in pretty damn good shape if you ask me at his age.

They (mostly Rags fans) call him fat because it is what Avery says. Of course Rags fans have major hard-ons for Avery so they love anything that comes from his mouth, include sperm.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:54 PM

First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D



I love how our John MacLean is looking like the other John McLean

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:00 PM

I didn't get to see the interview, but I assume "this is team" is a quote from Kovy. What context was it in? I see people posting about but I'm not quite sure what he meant by it.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

If this helps here is the link and maybe download the link to a Youtube account.

Kovy Returns....

http://devils.nhl.tv...id=745&id=74033


Thanks man, I'll try.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:04 PM

At the equipment sale I asked Johnny Mac, "What did Kovy say when you called him up and told him how much you were looking forward to coaching him next year?" He got a nervous smile and gave a vague answer that basically said "I have no say in whether we land him or not". He seemed really happy to be around the fans and be there, which was cool. I really wish him the best because he's a good guy.
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