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#6801 Amberite

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

I love how our John MacLean is looking like the other John McLean


Yea but our Johnny Mac needs a bit of a tan. He always looks so white. The guy needs to atleast get a spray-on tan or something. Maybe this year with the head-coach big bucks coming his way, he'll splurge a bit.

On a totally unrelated note, I really don't understand why the "Championship Plaza" banner on the side of that building couldn't have covered the entire side. Why do we need to see ugly brick wall on the edges?

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

Yea but our Johnny Mac needs a bit of a tan. He always looks so white. The guy needs to atleast get a spray-on tan or something. Maybe this year with the head-coach big bucks coming his way, he'll splurge a bit.



His skin will turn a nice shade of leathery tan like Lemaire after he started spending his summers in Florida.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:09 PM

So far as raw numbers, in the first two years of Lemaire's first stint ('93-94, 94-95), the Devils fared pretty well in goals scored. I'm not a nuts and bolts hockey guy, but it seems to me that when only one team on the ice is playing the trap, which is a system that is based just as much on counter-attack as it is on defense, it can do pretty well offensively. It's when both teams play the trap is when the goal total really starts to suffer. (There was a saying in the late 90s that "all teams play the trap.") That was the story from '97 to '99. Partly because Lemaire was gone, but also because of players like Niedermeyer, Arnott, Skora, Elias reaching their prime, and with the addition of Mogilny, the team did well offensively, in factleading the league in goals in 2000-2001.

And you don't necessarily need bona-fide stars to win the Cup, even today. (It certainly helps, but it's not the end all be all). Look at the Carolina/Edmonton finals series in 2006. Not too many superstars on those teams. At most maybe Pronger and Stahl count, but that's about all I can think of off the top of my head. Or you can look at Washington that has arguably the most superstar laden team in the league, yet playoff success, for the most part, has alluded them.


edmonton got violently outchanced in 2006 and they haven't been close to a stanley cup since. have they even made the playoffs since then? please don't say that was just because of pronger - pronger helped, certainly, he's an outstanding player. still, they ran hot on shooting percentage for 20 games and ended up in a stanley cup final, it happens. carolina was also not a particularly great team but also got some puck luck and took advantage of a very weak eastern conference lineup - they didn't even have to face ottawa, who were absolutely dominant that season. so yes, you can make it to the finals, with exceptional luck, when your team doesn't have star players, but good luck winning it all.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D



Yeah. Marty looks like he has a little deformed hand like Chris Elliot in Scary Movie 2.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

The starting point everyone seems to be talking about is the lock-out, so it really has only been five seasons. So far as I'm concerned, there isn't a large enough sample size to make categorical statements that this or that component is the key. I can also add that Montreal making it to the conference finals, beating Washington and Pittsburgh in the process, also supports the non-silver bullet theory.

There are exceptions every here and there. Look at the amount of reg. season goals scored on the last 6 Stanley Cup winners. Look at the players they had. Look at their forwards, look at their D-men.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:13 PM

edmonton got violently outchanced in 2006 and they haven't been close to a stanley cup since. have they even made the playoffs since then? please don't say that was just because of pronger - pronger helped, certainly, he's an outstanding player. still, they ran hot on shooting percentage for 20 games and ended up in a stanley cup final, it happens. carolina was also not a particularly great team but also got some puck luck and took advantage of a very weak eastern conference lineup - they didn't even have to face ottawa, who were absolutely dominant that season. so yes, you can make it to the finals, with exceptional luck, when your team doesn't have star players, but good luck winning it all.



Exactly. 05-06 finals seem to be a huge anomaly when it comes to who made it. I also feel that the very low cap (around $39 mil from what I remember) also helped the smaller market teams that year, and since then it has risen and allowed teams to harvest talent again.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:16 PM

Yeah. Marty looks like he has a little deformed hand like Chris Elliot in Scary Movie 2.


another great movie... haha "take my good hand" and "my germs"
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:21 PM

edmonton got violently outchanced in 2006 and they haven't been close to a stanley cup since. have they even made the playoffs since then? please don't say that was just because of pronger - pronger helped, certainly, he's an outstanding player. still, they ran hot on shooting percentage for 20 games and ended up in a stanley cup final, it happens. carolina was also not a particularly great team but also got some puck luck and took advantage of a very weak eastern conference lineup - they didn't even have to face ottawa, who were absolutely dominant that season. so yes, you can make it to the finals, with exceptional luck, when your team doesn't have star players, but good luck winning it all.


I don't discount luck completely, but if Ottawa were truly dominant, they would have done it when it counts. Which also proves my point. Two non-superstar teams sometimes get better results in the playoffs than superstar teams.

Look, I'm not one of these people who buys into staying away from superstar players because they're not "team players" or lack some other vague quality to their game. It's just that you don't necessarily need to have one for post-season success, even post lockout.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:30 PM

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I didn't get to see the interview, but I assume "this is team" is a quote from Kovy. What context was it in? I see people posting about but I'm not quite sure what he meant by it.

He was just talking about how/why this is the place to be. The link below takes you to the vid

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:34 PM

Look, I'm not one of these people who buys into staying away from superstar players because they're not "team players" or lack some other vague quality to their game. It's just that you don't necessarily need to have one for post-season success, even post lockout.


I've always been of the belief that the most pivotal aspect in Stanley Cup playoff success is simply getting hot at the right time. Having as much talent as possible with the best system for those players in place just helps your odds of being that hot team or ekeing out a win despite a cold streak. You don't need to have the most talented team, but it sure as hell can't hurt.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:42 PM

I don't discount luck completely, but if Ottawa were truly dominant, they would have done it when it counts. Which also proves my point. Two non-superstar teams sometimes get better results in the playoffs than superstar teams.


because they got lucky, not because they were the better team. you're of course begging the question here, but you know that. if they were truly dominant, dominik hasek wouldn't've gotten hurt - hasek was having a ridiculous, ridiculous season.

Look, I'm not one of these people who buys into staying away from superstar players because they're not "team players" or lack some other vague quality to their game. It's just that you don't necessarily need to have one for post-season success, even post lockout.


right, you just need a substantial dose of luck when your top line gets outshot and outplayed by the opponent's top line, which is absolutely inevitable when you don't have guys like bobby holik who can just drape himself all over the team's top center.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:49 PM

Well if nothing else I think kovy is perfectly capable of being a puzzle piece on a team rather than the star. He had to be a star in Atlanta because they didnt really have the talent. here, at least toward the very end of the season, he started showing signs of settling down and realizing the pressure wasnt all on him to carry the team. hes still going to be a dangerous guy offensively.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:03 PM

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He was just talking about how/why this is the place to be. The link below takes you to the vid



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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:11 PM

because they got lucky, not because they were the better team. you're of course begging the question here, but you know that. if they were truly dominant, dominik hasek wouldn't've gotten hurt - hasek was having a ridiculous, ridiculous season.



right, you just need a substantial dose of luck when your top line gets outshot and outplayed by the opponent's top line, which is absolutely inevitable when you don't have guys like bobby holik who can just drape himself all over the team's top center.


By luck I'm not talking about injuries, which of course can reverse the fortunes of an otherwise dominant team very quickly. I'm talking about claims that, we hit a lot of posts, we got a bad call, the bounces didn't go our way, etc., but we're still a better team. Make your own luck by converting on your chances, not taking dumb penalties, playing well on your penalty kill. "Dominating play" is not a statistic that counts, or even has any meaning.

Saying a team got "outplayed" but still won, especially in a seven game series, where the law of averages would say that the better team should win is utter nonsense.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:29 PM

By luck I'm not talking about injuries, which of course can reverse the fortunes of an otherwise dominant team very quickly. I'm talking about claims that, we hit a lot of posts, we got a bad call, the bounces didn't go our way, etc., but we're still a better team. Make your own luck by converting on your chances, not taking dumb penalties, playing well on your penalty kill. "Dominating play" is not a statistic that counts, or even has any meaning.

Saying a team got "outplayed" but still won, especially in a seven game series, where the law of averages would say that the better team should win is utter nonsense.


Saying the law of averages can hold large sway in a 4-5-6-7 game series doesn't ring true to me. One guy having a shooting percentage of 35% for a series can be enough good fortune to change a whole series. If a series only last 4 games then there could be an enormous amount of luck involved, 7 games isn't much better.

Obviously 2 games is better than 1, and 3 is better than both, etc... but there can be a huge amount of luck in a series still.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:37 PM

I wish they would announce that NHLPA is going to fight it already. There is so much still to do with trading (hopefully Rolston) or and Salvador. Just seems like everyone has stopped talking the silence is weird!
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:40 PM



one of my fav videos :cheers:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:49 PM

one of my fav videos :cheers:


The greatest thing about that video, aside from Kovy going berserk on Avery, is Brodeur heckling Avery while he is getting pounded into the ice. Usually Brodeur just starts skating around and drinks some water during fights, but you could tell this one got him riled up.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:49 PM

By luck I'm not talking about injuries, which of course can reverse the fortunes of an otherwise dominant team very quickly. I'm talking about claims that, we hit a lot of posts, we got a bad call, the bounces didn't go our way, etc., but we're still a better team. Make your own luck by converting on your chances, not taking dumb penalties, playing well on your penalty kill. "Dominating play" is not a statistic that counts, or even has any meaning.

Saying a team got "outplayed" but still won, especially in a seven game series, where the law of averages would say that the better team should win is utter nonsense.


lol, the law of average doesn't hold over 100 games in some instances. gimme a break. a 7 game series is nothing.

dominating play correlates with winning games. sometimes it doesn't win games. that doesn't change the fact that it wins more often than not, and teams who decide to adopt a strategy that doesn't win more often than not, well, good is good when good's the best that can be expected.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVvaQk5sBNM&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-2r-14-HM&videos=NdY9Nr6nARs

one of my fav videos :cheers:



Kovy's good but he's no Alexander Semin when it comes to dropping the gloves. :boogie:

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