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#6821 3Rings4NJ

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:32 PM

Just posting this because out of all the cheesy PR photos they took after the presser, this one's my favorite.

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I still get a total broner seeing this pic :evil:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:34 PM

Not sure if this was posted already.

NHL may not have a leg to stand on.

http://www.nationalp...l#ixzz0uWyo7gTr

The collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and NHLPA is a 452-page document that covers off everything from the salary cap and standard player contracts to whether teams should pay moving expenses for traded players.
It is quite massive. And, at first glance, it seems to have ...thought of everything.
Well, almost everything.

On Tuesday, the league rejected a 17-year contract worth US$102-million between Ilya Kovalchuk and the New Jersey Devils on the grounds that it circumvented the CBA. The contract, which expires when Kovalchuk will be 44 years old, is reportedly contentious because the salary dramatically drops to US$550,000 in each of the final five years.

But several player agents said if the matter goes before an arbitrator, the league would soon find out that it "doesn't have much of a leg to stand on."

"I can tell you that during bargaining, that the league was not successful in negotiating rules to limit the length of contract a player can sign with a club," said player agent Ian Pulver, who was one of the authors of the CBA. "So the NHL is going to have to show evidence that the club and the player were trying to defeat rules in the collective agreement, because they can't certainly prove that a player will not play when he's 44 years old.

"You have to have the evidence to support that. Saying 'we think' is not strong enough."
Indeed, there is nothing in the language of the CBA that limits the number of years on a player contract. Neither is there any proof that Kovalchuk will not be playing in 2026-27.


I hope the NHLPA, Kovy and Jay Grossman nail the NHL and Bettman to a wall when they win this case. The NHL and Bettman made a big mistake to use Lou and the Devils as an example IMO.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:37 PM

And you don't necessarily need bona-fide stars to win the Cup, even today. (It certainly helps, but it's not the end all be all). Look at the Carolina/Edmonton finals series in 2006. Not too many superstars on those teams. At most maybe Pronger and Stahl count, but that's about all I can think of off the top of my head.

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

Any bets that this reaches Sept?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:41 PM

This is a good one too.

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Don't know why haters refer to Marty as fat. BTW nice belt and pants Marty! Obviously he's going to retire in Palm Beach.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

This is a good one too.

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First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:48 PM

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.


The starting point everyone seems to be talking about is the lock-out, so it really has only been five seasons. So far as I'm concerned, there isn't a large enough sample size to make categorical statements that this or that component is the key. I can also add that Montreal making it to the conference finals, beating Washington and Pittsburgh in the process, also supports the non-silver bullet theory.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:49 PM

Of course, pick any other finals in the last 7 years besides that one and your point doesn't work.



Exactly, that is the only series I can think of since the lockout that didn't have a good amount of bona-fide stars on it. Just how the game is and since the lockout, the game is going towards the shooting gallery known as the 80's and early 90's era of hockey.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:50 PM

Not sure if this was posted already.

NHL may not have a leg to stand on.

http://www.nationalp...l#ixzz0uWyo7gTr



I hope the NHLPA, Kovy and Jay Grossman nail the NHL and Bettman to a wall when they win this case. The NHL and Bettman made a big mistake to use Lou and the Devils as an example IMO.



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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:52 PM

Don't know why haters refer to Marty as fat. BTW nice belt and pants Marty! Obviously he's going to retire in Palm Beach.



He was a little overweight (by athlete standards that is) back about 3 years ago and he even admitted himself he needed to lose a few pounds then. Now, he is at a good weight and is in pretty damn good shape if you ask me at his age.

They (mostly Rags fans) call him fat because it is what Avery says. Of course Rags fans have major hard-ons for Avery so they love anything that comes from his mouth, include sperm.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:54 PM

First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D



I love how our John MacLean is looking like the other John McLean

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:00 PM

I didn't get to see the interview, but I assume "this is team" is a quote from Kovy. What context was it in? I see people posting about but I'm not quite sure what he meant by it.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

If this helps here is the link and maybe download the link to a Youtube account.

Kovy Returns....

http://devils.nhl.tv...id=745&id=74033


Thanks man, I'll try.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:04 PM

At the equipment sale I asked Johnny Mac, "What did Kovy say when you called him up and told him how much you were looking forward to coaching him next year?" He got a nervous smile and gave a vague answer that basically said "I have no say in whether we land him or not". He seemed really happy to be around the fans and be there, which was cool. I really wish him the best because he's a good guy.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

I love how our John MacLean is looking like the other John McLean


Yea but our Johnny Mac needs a bit of a tan. He always looks so white. The guy needs to atleast get a spray-on tan or something. Maybe this year with the head-coach big bucks coming his way, he'll splurge a bit.

On a totally unrelated note, I really don't understand why the "Championship Plaza" banner on the side of that building couldn't have covered the entire side. Why do we need to see ugly brick wall on the edges?

Edited by Amberite, 23 July 2010 - 02:06 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:06 PM

Yea but our Johnny Mac needs a bit of a tan. He always looks so white. The guy needs to atleast get a spray-on tan or something. Maybe this year with the head-coach big bucks coming his way, he'll splurge a bit.



His skin will turn a nice shade of leathery tan like Lemaire after he started spending his summers in Florida.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:09 PM

So far as raw numbers, in the first two years of Lemaire's first stint ('93-94, 94-95), the Devils fared pretty well in goals scored. I'm not a nuts and bolts hockey guy, but it seems to me that when only one team on the ice is playing the trap, which is a system that is based just as much on counter-attack as it is on defense, it can do pretty well offensively. It's when both teams play the trap is when the goal total really starts to suffer. (There was a saying in the late 90s that "all teams play the trap.") That was the story from '97 to '99. Partly because Lemaire was gone, but also because of players like Niedermeyer, Arnott, Skora, Elias reaching their prime, and with the addition of Mogilny, the team did well offensively, in factleading the league in goals in 2000-2001.

And you don't necessarily need bona-fide stars to win the Cup, even today. (It certainly helps, but it's not the end all be all). Look at the Carolina/Edmonton finals series in 2006. Not too many superstars on those teams. At most maybe Pronger and Stahl count, but that's about all I can think of off the top of my head. Or you can look at Washington that has arguably the most superstar laden team in the league, yet playoff success, for the most part, has alluded them.


edmonton got violently outchanced in 2006 and they haven't been close to a stanley cup since. have they even made the playoffs since then? please don't say that was just because of pronger - pronger helped, certainly, he's an outstanding player. still, they ran hot on shooting percentage for 20 games and ended up in a stanley cup final, it happens. carolina was also not a particularly great team but also got some puck luck and took advantage of a very weak eastern conference lineup - they didn't even have to face ottawa, who were absolutely dominant that season. so yes, you can make it to the finals, with exceptional luck, when your team doesn't have star players, but good luck winning it all.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:10 PM

First time I saw that pic, I was wondering why Marty had gone all limp wristy on Kovy in that shot :D



Yeah. Marty looks like he has a little deformed hand like Chris Elliot in Scary Movie 2.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:11 PM

The starting point everyone seems to be talking about is the lock-out, so it really has only been five seasons. So far as I'm concerned, there isn't a large enough sample size to make categorical statements that this or that component is the key. I can also add that Montreal making it to the conference finals, beating Washington and Pittsburgh in the process, also supports the non-silver bullet theory.

There are exceptions every here and there. Look at the amount of reg. season goals scored on the last 6 Stanley Cup winners. Look at the players they had. Look at their forwards, look at their D-men.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 02:13 PM

edmonton got violently outchanced in 2006 and they haven't been close to a stanley cup since. have they even made the playoffs since then? please don't say that was just because of pronger - pronger helped, certainly, he's an outstanding player. still, they ran hot on shooting percentage for 20 games and ended up in a stanley cup final, it happens. carolina was also not a particularly great team but also got some puck luck and took advantage of a very weak eastern conference lineup - they didn't even have to face ottawa, who were absolutely dominant that season. so yes, you can make it to the finals, with exceptional luck, when your team doesn't have star players, but good luck winning it all.



Exactly. 05-06 finals seem to be a huge anomaly when it comes to who made it. I also feel that the very low cap (around $39 mil from what I remember) also helped the smaller market teams that year, and since then it has risen and allowed teams to harvest talent again.
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