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#6821 lilgriffey84

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:55 PM

Kovy's good but he's no Alexander Semin when it comes to dropping the gloves. :boogie:

I just like the video because it was like his second or third game as a devil and he was sticking up for marty....and avery sucks
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:04 PM

I just like the video because it was like his second or third game as a devil and he was sticking up for marty....and avery sucks


I wasn't serious. Have you seen the, ahem, scrap between Semin and I think Marc Staal?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:07 PM

I wasn't serious. Have you seen the, ahem, scrap between Semin and I think Marc Staal?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I01Ncx4VSno


hahahaha and i know you werent serious i was just saying. I shouldnt have quoted you in the first place

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I01Ncx4VSno


hahahaha and i know you werent serious i was just saying. I shouldnt have quoted you in the first place

lmao..if kovy does that, i,i,i,i,i don't know :saddevil:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:26 PM

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hahahaha and i know you werent serious i was just saying. I shouldnt have quoted you in the first place


OMG, I never saw that before - that is way too funny! LOL
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:28 PM

One agent said "Why dont they suck it up and be men and accept that they screwed up"

Comments from winters who negotiated the hossa deal. Dont know if this has been posted already
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:31 PM

That's so cute! :lol:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I01Ncx4VSno


hahahaha and i know you werent serious i was just saying. I shouldnt have quoted you in the first place


it looks like a poorly scripted wwe match
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:32 PM

lol, the law of average doesn't hold over 100 games in some instances. gimme a break. a 7 game series is nothing.

dominating play correlates with winning games. sometimes it doesn't win games. that doesn't change the fact that it wins more often than not, and teams who decide to adopt a strategy that doesn't win more often than not, well, good is good when good's the best that can be expected.


Again, this mushy "dominating play" has no meaning at all. If you're getting a lot of glorious chances, but you can't put the puck in the net, you're not dominating anything that matters. Being able to finish, has just as much, if not more, to do with "dominating play" than anything else does.

You can out-chance the other team 20 to 3. If the other team ends up winning though, they're doing something right, and you're doing something wrong. That holds even more true over the course of a seven game series.

And so far as law of averages goes, you maybe can win/lose a game here or there on a funky bounce, an Ed Hockulee-esque blown call, something like that. It's not going to happen in all four of your losses in a playoff series.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:35 PM

lmao..if kovy does that, i,i,i,i,i don't know :saddevil:


Don't worry bud, Kovy's alright when it comes to a scrap. In every sense.

Kovy's first fight

vs. McCabe

I remember reading McCabe's interview after that...he said he might have given Kovy a bit of slack to begin with as he couldn't quite believe what was going on, but quickly realised he had to 'give it his all'. I'll try and dig that interview out. It was in the (Miami) Herald.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 05:43 PM

Ooh but there was a clip of Gomez getting a good shot in on Ilya -- well good == Kovalchuk has a score to settle with the little jerk

:unsure: did you all catch that? :saddevil: It snuck out... my inner Chico :unsure:
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:09 PM

Again, this mushy "dominating play" has no meaning at all. If you're getting a lot of glorious chances, but you can't put the puck in the net, you're not dominating anything that matters. Being able to finish, has just as much, if not more, to do with "dominating play" than anything else does.

You can out-chance the other team 20 to 3. If the other team ends up winning though, they're doing something right, and you're doing something wrong. That holds even more true over the course of a seven game series.

And so far as law of averages goes, you maybe can win/lose a game here or there on a funky bounce, an Ed Hockulee-esque blown call, something like that. It's not going to happen in all four of your losses in a playoff series.


you're just incorrect about this. you don't understand the way that we can understand chance events through probability, or the non-repeatability of certain events (which is much of what i characterize as 'luck' - 'luck' is a loaded word, so i can't blame people for not understanding what i mean by it). nothing will explain it to you, and you're using absurd outliers to drive home your 'position'.

here's a hint: what could possibly separate a group of NHL players who outchance another given NHL team 20 to 3 from all other hockey teams who have outchanced any other NHL team 20 to 3? when you understand that the answer to this is 'very little', perhaps you'll have nudged slightly closer to understanding what i am talking about.

goal scoring is fundamentally chance-related. the key is getting MORE chances, thus bending luck to your favor.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:51 PM

Kovy is a pretty big dude what is he like 6'3 230
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 06:57 PM

Time for crazy rambling...

Goaltending is based on probability a whole lot. You want to cover as much net as possible, and be in the position the puck is likely to come. Great goal scorers get the goalie to move and beat him in transition. With a sniper, if a goalie is covering 90% of the net, the sniper is accurate enough to hit the open 10% forcing the goalie to make a reaction save.

If a team is CONSISTENTLY outchancing its opponents, "they're doing something right" could be as simple as the goalie making reaction saves to bail out his defense, or it could be "you're doing something wrong" and your shooters are not accurate enough to hit the open net, forcing the goalie to move. If you are consistently outchancing your opponents, it means you are playing a solid positional game. At that point it comes down to skill and execution.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 07:04 PM

here's a hint: what could possibly separate a group of NHL players who outchance another given NHL team 20 to 3 from all other hockey teams who have outchanced any other NHL team 20 to 3? when you understand that the answer to this is 'very little', perhaps you'll have nudged slightly closer to understanding what i am talking about.


Obviously more can separate them than you think, since the team that dominates play sometimes will lose a seven game series, or team that gets dominated will win. Yes, you're right, it won't happen as often as it doesn't, but it does, and probably more often than you're giving it credit for. And plenty of teams will advance far in the playoffs that don't follow the formula (having more dynamic scorers or superstars than the other guy) that I originally wrote wasn't the end all be all of success in the post lock out league, and vice versa.

And by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6w4eIQuhac

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 07:22 PM

"You've probably read it" :giggle:

:lol: :rofl: I'm so childish!

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:14 PM

Obviously more can separate them than you think, since the team that dominates play sometimes will lose a seven game series, or team that gets dominated will win. Yes, you're right, it won't happen as often as it doesn't, but it does, and probably more often than you're giving it credit for. And plenty of teams will advance far in the playoffs that don't follow the formula (having more dynamic scorers or superstars than the other guy) that I originally wrote wasn't the end all be all of success in the post lock out league, and vice versa.

And by the way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6w4eIQuhac


the fact that you color the idea with 'be all end all' shows you're not understanding what i'm saying or deliberately misunderstanding. you can win without superstars. it's just difficult, and very likely involves good fortune.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:23 PM

the fact that you color the idea with 'be all end all' shows you're not understanding what i'm saying or deliberately misunderstanding. you can win without superstars. it's just difficult, and very likely involves good fortune.


"Be all end all" was a response to someone else's post, way back. I used as a counter-example to that post was the Carolina/Edmonton finals, and other SC playoffs where undynamic teams have done better than more dynamic ones. You jumped in and said I was wrong on that point, so I assume you agreed with what the other guy wrote. Ok, so we're on the same page, and probably aren't disagreeing about all that much here.
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:25 PM

Don't worry bud, Kovy's alright when it comes to a scrap. In every sense.

Kovy's first fight

vs. McCabe

I remember reading McCabe's interview after that...he said he might have given Kovy a bit of slack to begin with as he couldn't quite believe what was going on, but quickly realised he had to 'give it his all'. I'll try and dig that interview out. It was in the (Miami) Herald.


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 08:40 PM

where's the video of his fight against some Swiss guy in an international game. :lol: the guy basically turned his back and tried to get away
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