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#801 Sickman

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 09:52 PM

Pretty credible source from HF has the deal for 7 years @ 8.8 per. Holy fizzle is that steep if true. I would never have thought we would go anywhere near a figure like that.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:01 PM

in case anyone missed it, Strang said the Isles are out and so are the Kings. So who's left? Russia?
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:01 PM

how come all of a sudden we are making a big trade with St.Louis? (Єklund (2.3% accurate) (2.3% accurate) 2.3%) :noclue:
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:08 PM

Pretty credible source from HF has the deal for 7 years @ 8.8 per. Holy fizzle is that steep if true. I would never have thought we would go anywhere near a figure like that.


I'm going to throw up if that's true. That's way too much money, and I don't know why Lou would go that high. It doesn't make sense.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:10 PM

Pretty credible source from HF has the deal for 7 years @ 8.8 per. Holy fizzle is that steep if true. I would never have thought we would go anywhere near a figure like that.


Unless Lou is dumping Rolston,Salvador and Zubrus I think this deal would make me sick to my stomach.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:10 PM

Pretty credible source from HF has the deal for 7 years @ 8.8 per. Holy fizzle is that steep if true. I would never have thought we would go anywhere near a figure like that.


Yeah, I just read that. Dagoon pretty much nailed the Kovy and Jokinen trades a couple days before they happened. I would normally be excited, but I don't like that contract at all. We'll have no choice but to go with a very young roster, who might not all be ready. Salvadore seems like the most obvious to go at 2.9. But up front we might lose someone very valuable like Zubrus, Lags and/or Elias. Rolston would be a miracle.

Anyway the contract in itself does not sound good at 8.8. He is not worth that money. That's an over payment by about 1.5-2 million. I hope his numbers are wrong.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:13 PM

the original post report had it at 7 yrs $60 mil which is just over 8.5 and nobody was complaining really. And now it's 8.8 and everyone's going crazy. It's $300,000 aka not a big deal
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:13 PM

I'm going to throw up if that's true. That's way too much money, and I don't know why Lou would go that high. It doesn't make sense.


Very little about the Kovy treatment has made sense from the moment we got him...from letting him freelance and stay out for four minute power plays to giving him a Rangers-like contract to re-sign. Christ, I get that he's important from the business aspect and I like that he was one of the few to show heart last year but this would feel like a pyhrric victory.

If you can promise me that we get rid of Rolston and Salvador or White relatively pain-free with no other casualties this offseason then manage to re-sign Zach before arbitration preferably then I'll say fine, give Kovy what he wants but if I'm Zach's agent now I'm asking for $9 million, no ifs ands or buts.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:17 PM

This also is the same numbers in the earlier rumor today which was 60-63mil over 7 years.
8.8 works out to about 62 over 7 years.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:17 PM

Very little about the Kovy treatment has made sense from the moment we got him...from letting him freelance and stay out for four minute power plays to giving him a Rangers-like contract to re-sign. Christ, I get that he's important from the business aspect and I like that he was one of the few to show heart last year but this would feel like a pyhrric victory.

If you can promise me that we get rid of Rolston and Salvador or White relatively pain-free with no other casualties this offseason then manage to re-sign Zach before arbitration preferably then I'll say fine, give Kovy what he wants but if I'm Zach's agent now I'm asking for $9 million, no ifs ands or buts.


but you're not getting it next year before arbitration. He could get that per year if he signed something like a 15 yr deal though. He'd have to wait an extra year to get it unrestricted and usually players like him don't make it to free agency
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:23 PM

Very little about the Kovy treatment has made sense from the moment we got him...from letting him freelance and stay out for four minute power plays to giving him a Rangers-like contract to re-sign. Christ, I get that he's important from the business aspect and I like that he was one of the few to show heart last year but this would feel like a pyhrric victory.

If you can promise me that we get rid of Rolston and Salvador or White relatively pain-free with no other casualties this offseason then manage to re-sign Zach before arbitration preferably then I'll say fine, give Kovy what he wants but if I'm Zach's agent now I'm asking for $9 million, no ifs ands or buts.

Addressing all posts:

A. Kovy isn't going to Russia

B: If 8.8 is correct then he is making 61.6 over 7 years, which isn't much higher than the reported 60 mill.

C. WE NEED (not should) to get rid of 2 of either Rolston, Salvador, Zubrus or White (Zuby ad White are hard to let go of but we might have to move them)

D. Parise will never get 9 million dollars a year nor will he ask for it, never. If he asks for that Lou will laugh in his face and be like, "no really, how much you asking for?" At the very most he gets 8, but I put it at about 7.5

but you're not getting it next year before arbitration. He could get that per year if he signed something like a 15 yr deal though. He'd have to wait an extra year to get it unrestricted and usually players like him don't make it to free agency

Let me get this straight: You're saying that Parise can get 9 mill a year if he signs for 15 yrs?

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:24 PM

I'm going to throw up if that's true. That's way too much money, and I don't know why Lou would go that high. It doesn't make sense.



Yeah, I just read that. Dagoon pretty much nailed the Kovy and Jokinen trades a couple days before they happened. I would normally be excited, but I don't like that contract at all. We'll have no choice but to go with a very young roster, who might not all be ready. Salvadore seems like the most obvious to go at 2.9. But up front we might lose someone very valuable like Zubrus, Lags and/or Elias. Rolston would be a miracle.

Anyway the contract in itself does not sound good at 8.8. He is not worth that money. That's an over payment by about 1.5-2 million. I hope his numbers are wrong.


It's steep for sure but if you want to land a big fish like Kovalchuk you're going to have to pony up. Look at Rolston at 5 million. Ilya is only worth 1.5 million more? That would be hard to justify. And that would mean he wouldn't even get a raise on this contract. Gomez at 7 million? Granted, all these contracts are crazy but it is what it is. I would have been thrilled at 7.5 million and very content even at 8 million fwiw.

Lou is not stupid and you have to believe that he is considering Parise's place in all of this. I'm not sure what the plan is but this will force the team to cut some dead weight and move in a different direction. The cap is likely to go up I would guess so hopefully things will be ok.

These figures may not be exact but considering the source's history I can't see it being that far off at all.

Edited by Sickman, 05 July 2010 - 10:27 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:25 PM

D. Parise will never get 9 million dollars a year nor will he ask for it, never. If he asks for that Lou will laugh in his face and be like, "no really, how much you asking for?" At the very most he gets 8, but I put it at about 7.5


Why? Zach's a better all-around player than Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk's a slightly better scorer but Zach is so much better defensively and intangibles-wise (intelligence, the fact he is probably the future captain) it's not even a question. He'd have every right to ask for more money.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:26 PM

Why? Zach's a better all-around player than Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk's a slightly better scorer but Zach is so much better defensively it's not even a question. He'd have every right to ask for more money.


duncan keith should demand more money than brian campbell. what a joke that he doesn't make more.

edit - oh and marc savard making less than milan lucic, and kimmo timonen makes more than chris pronger, and cristobal huet - more than roberto luongo!

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:31 PM

here's what i don't get re: kovy and the contract.

you're 27 - once you've signed 7 years, you can consider this your last big payday - is it possible at 34 he gets another mammoth deal - sure, i suppose if he's scored 35+ goals the last 7 years (let's surely hope so). but it's not entirely likely. so i don't understand why, knowing how the cap works, they don't give him a 13 year, $91MM deal and structure it so he's paid plenty over the first 7 years to work the present day value to an acceptable level and then start stepping down the last 6 years to make them relatively small payments. this is not a new loop hole - plenty of teams are already doing this.

again - unless he thinks he's going to be able to get another $60MM in 7 years to net him $120 over the next 14 years, i don't see why lou and him don't work this out - sure it's more $ for JVB but hey, he's probably the one telling Lou to get him in the first place.

i would do the similar w/ Parise. you'd be amazed what even an extra $1MM in cap space can do for you.

as for what Lou needs to do - it's going to cost a 1st to get out of this mess should Kovy sign - the islanders trade i proposed previously makes sense for every one involved.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:33 PM

Why? Zach's a better all-around player than Kovalchuk. Kovalchuk's a slightly better scorer but Zach is so much better defensively and intangibles-wise (intelligence, the fact he is probably the future captain) it's not even a question. He'd have every right to ask for more money.

It's simple. First off, 8.8 is the max Kovy would get from anywhere.

Secondly, to say that Parise is a better all-around player doesn't tell the whole story. Teams don't invest their fortunes in hard-work, they invest in talent and hard-work. The level of Kovy's hockey talent is miles above Parise's. You know that if you invest in Kovy you are going to get that talent for seven years. If Parise gets injured he might become half the player he once was. That doesn't happen for a Kovalchuk or a Heatley type player unless the injury is very serious.

Then there is the fact that Parise is going to be a RFA. The Devils will be able to give him the best offer without breaking 8 mill.

Then there's the point that Kovy playing at his worst is still going to register a 40 goal/85 point season. Parise at his worst would be somewhere around 30 goals/ 70 points. That's the difference between a premier NHL player like Parise and a NHL superstar like Kovy.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:34 PM

duncan keith should demand more money than brian campbell. what a joke that he doesn't make more.

edit - oh and marc savard making less than milan lucic, and kimmo timonen makes more than chris pronger, and cristobal huet - more than roberto luongo!


Oh please, I know you're tired of people worrying about Zach but your sarcasm got old two years ago. You know they're comparable, they'll both be going UFA in the prime of their careers. I'm not saying Zach will hold out for nine I'm saying we'd better make nice with him and his agent pretty darn soon.

I don't even think a couple of those examples are true, Pronger's getting paid much more than Timonen the next three years, until the last two years of his contract when he's at retirement age plummet the cap number. Plus Huet and Luongo don't play on the same team, come on now.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:34 PM

duncan keith should demand more money than brian campbell. what a joke that he doesn't make more.

edit - oh and marc savard making less than milan lucic, and kimmo timonen makes more than chris pronger, and cristobal huet - more than roberto luongo!


Duncan Keith is making more money than Brian Campbell, until the voidable years kick in. In 2017, when he'll be 34.

Look, when a player like Parise has a "comparable", and the player is on another team, Lou can say "that GM is nuts!"
But when Lou gives out the contract himself, he can't go and say "I'm nuts!". That won't fly, even if it's true. :lol:

This is nuts. In a league without a cap, who cares, although you wouldn't get him for that in a league without a cap, because the Teacher's Pension or Dolan could just buy him. Hopefully we get something out of him, and if we don't, he skips town in July 2013.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:36 PM

here's what i don't get re: kovy and the contract.

you're 27 - once you've signed 7 years, you can consider this your last big payday - is it possible at 34 he gets another mammoth deal - sure, i suppose if he's scored 35+ goals the last 7 years (let's surely hope so). but it's not entirely likely. so i don't understand why, knowing how the cap works, they don't give him a 13 year, $91MM deal and structure it so he's paid plenty over the first 7 years to work the present day value to an acceptable level and then start stepping down the last 6 years to make them relatively small payments. this is not a new loop hole - plenty of teams are already doing this.

again - unless he thinks he's going to be able to get another $60MM in 7 years to net him $120 over the next 14 years, i don't see why lou and him don't work this out - sure it's more $ for JVB but hey, he's probably the one telling Lou to get him in the first place.

i would do the similar w/ Parise. you'd be amazed what even an extra $1MM in cap space can do for you.

as for what Lou needs to do - it's going to cost a 1st to get out of this mess should Kovy sign - the islanders trade i proposed previously makes sense for every one involved.

First off, we don't want to be stuck with any player for 13 years.

Secondly, Kovy doesn't want to be stuck anywhere for 13 years. Some players do, some don't Kovy is the type thaat leaves his options open.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:38 PM

the devils could easily front-load a parise contract and make it 13 years-65 million if it came down to that. and hell, they may not even have to do that if zach would agree to a one-year deal, because new jersey is losing so much salary over the next 3 years with expiring contracts that won't have to be replaced by lucrative RFA contracts until 2013-14 and beyond.

my point is that canuck fans, blackhawk fans, red wing fans were all like 'HOW THE HELL ARE WE GOING TO KEEP ALL THESE GUYS?!?!?!?!?!?!' and then they did.
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