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#841 Daniel

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:15 PM

i would try to avoid dealing elias for a number of reasons, but i do agree that the devils could actually get something back for him.


Academic really. He's the one guy that I'm positive would invoke his NTC under all circumstances.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:19 PM

Academic really. He's the one guy that I'm positive would invoke his NTC under all circumstances.

Talk of Elias movement is aa waste of breath. There is a 100 percent chance he finishes his career on the Devils. He wants to and Lou wants him to.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:24 PM

but it doesn't, really.

the devils have 9 million 'coming off' the books in july 2011 (arnott, langenbrunner, greene, hedberg)

in july 2012, they have 16.6 coming off the books (brodeur, rolston, salvador, white)

in july 2013, they have 15 million coming off the books (elias, zubrus, zajac, clarkson)

in 2013-2014, they have 2 contracts on the books, tallinder and volchenkov.


This is probably going to be sloppy.

2011. $9M 'comes off', but the problem is that you're looking at maybe $7M new money for Greene and Parise, say $3M for Greene (hopefully, because this means he played well, and we're going to need him to play well, there's no Kaberle or Favrermayer coming to the rescue now) and $4M for Parise... again, hopefully he'll be a champ about this and they'll be able to create a friendlier hit than $7M.

2012. all of that money other than Brodeur is likely off by 2011. Rolston and Salvador in hours, and White next season.
White should still be here this year because he's needed, the D will be interesting without him. that money is immediately
being used to get us off the kicker limit and back under the cap. so, it won't be in there in 2012. this year is shaping
up to be tough. afterwards, we'll see how we get off the cap. I think you're selling short the progression of players from ELC/RFA/UFA, you should lose every time, it's rare to get good deals. Even if the kids play well enough that the concept of jettisoning Zajac down the road is possible, well, now you have to pay the kids, and they could end up making more.

of course, at this point, all bets are off because who knows what happens in 2012, it's possible the CBA has a totally different look, more NFL-ish, than it does now, and "problems" are easily solved.

or the Mayans were right and we get EMP'd back to the stoneage by the sun.

Academic really. He's the one guy that I'm positive would invoke his NTC under all circumstances.


I think that, while insulted, he would be far less a bitch about it than Rolston is likely being at the moment.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:26 PM

I think that, while insulted, he would be far less a bitch about it than Rolston is likely being at the moment.

Funny how it's easy to trade the players you want to keep and difficult to trade those you don't.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:27 PM

This reminds me of the hardwood flooring thread from a few years ago.


Somehow this has escaped me...
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:29 PM

So let's see, I last checked this around 5:50pm. It is now 12:25am. In that time, I went bowling (league) and watched the extended version of Independence Day. And now I come back and...

Absolutely Nothing Has Happened!!!

I hate you, Jay Grossman, I truly do.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:32 PM

So let's see, I last checked this around 5:50pm. It is now 12:25am. In that time, I went bowling (league) and watched the extended version of Independence Day. And now I come back and...

Absolutely Nothing Has Happened!!!

I hate you, Jay Grossman, I truly do.


Why is this Jay Grossman's fault?
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:35 PM

Funny how it's easy to trade the players you want to keep and difficult to trade those you don't.


no, it's personalities. one guy would be insulted and want to prove them wrong, the other guy is Roger Dorn, who knows he's a joke and kind of revels in it.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:35 PM

So let's see, I last checked this around 5:50pm. It is now 12:25am. In that time, I went bowling (league) and watched the extended version of Independence Day. And now I come back and...

Absolutely Nothing Has Happened!!!

I hate you, Jay Grossman, I truly do.


Independence Day would have been a much better choice than constantly updating twitter.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:35 PM

Why is this Jay Grossman's fault?

Exactly what I said before. Can someone please tell me?
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:36 PM

Why is this Jay Grossman's fault?

because he said Kovy was probably going to make a decision today, which got everyone's hopes up that this was almost over...

I never took the Post article seriously (although I was hoping)
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:38 PM

no, it's personalities. one guy would be insulted and want to prove them wrong, the other guy is Roger Dorn, who knows he's a joke and kind of revels in it.

That was implied but I'll spell it out: players who have good personalities are often the players you want to keep.

because he said Kovy was probably going to make a decision today, which got everyone's hopes up that this was almost over...

I never took the Post article seriously (although I was hoping)

And he really thought Kovy was gonna announce today.

The most likely scenario is that he's actually doing Lou a favor and buying him time to clear cap space.

Or maybe a new team stepped in with a new offer.

Or maybe Kovy had a change of heart.

Either way it's not on Grossman.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:40 PM

Like I said before, he said Kovy was looking to make a decision today (well, I guess technically yesterday now).

He said absolutely nothing about making that decision public.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:42 PM

the point that Parise's leadership and smarts and intensity, defensive responsibility make all the difference is a moot point. Ethan Moreau had all of those in spades along with that awsomely empty "intangibles" word. All that got him was a swift kick in the a$$ and a trip on the waiver wire.

Don't misunderstand me I am in NO WAY comparing Parise to EM but those extra character things are great, but they aren't the measurable points that get you $$$ . Kovalchuk had multiple leverage points this year in contract negotiations chief among them was the KHL offering up stupid money and close behind the fact that his numbers really speak for themselves ie. most goals since 2001 second only to Ovie in goals since 2005 most PowerPlay goals since 2001 AND 2005 (important because Ovie was accounted for in that statement) Kovie also has a Richard Trophy along with multiple 40+ and 50+ goal seasons to his record showing his seasons were not a fluke.

Parise, as great a player as he is and as great as I think he is, doesn't have the credentials to be demanding anything near what Kovie will get even once he gets to UFA (unless he signs a long term deal as an RFA and can get some more to his hockey resume by the time he gets his first shot at UFA) even if he was UFA next year I would say he wouldn't get more than 8 million a season. If I had to guess I would say around 7.8 million on a UFA market for Parise and I think that is the upper end of what would be possible. as an RFA he will either be paid a very reasonable (relatively speaking) amount on a 4-6 year deal that takes him to a good spot in his career to be UFA OR he signs long term on his RFA year and gets in the low 7 range average cap hit for 6-8 years still putting him in decent position for another payday but getting the most out of him in a Devils uniform for a good price.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:46 PM

Don't misunderstand me I am in NO WAY comparing Parise to EM but those extra character things are great, but they aren't the measurable points that get you $$$ . Kovalchuk had multiple leverage points this year in contract negotiations chief among them was the KHL offering up stupid money and close behind the fact that his numbers really speak for themselves ie. most goals since 2001 second only to Ovie in goals since 2005 most PowerPlay goals since 2001 AND 2005 (important because Ovie was accounted for in that statement) Kovie also has a Richard Trophy along with multiple 40+ and 50+ goal seasons to his record showing his seasons were not a fluke.

Good post, good numbers.
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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:10 AM

This thread is now up to 43 pages and I'm ashamed to admit, I think I've read every one of them. I think I need to re-evaluate my life.
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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:21 AM

People are talking trade, but isn't it possible that the Devils will have no choice but to waive Salvador and/or Langenbrunner? Is there a trade market for Salvador in particular? Is there a trade market for Zubrus?

Edited by Jerrydevil, 06 July 2010 - 12:22 AM.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 01:11 AM

For the right price (if you can call it that) there would be buyers on Langenbrunner and Salvador I'm sure, since they're legitimate NHLers and their contracts aren't atrocious. [Rolston I'd worry about.] Of course I see what you mean, the question is, is that price affordable in terms of this franchise, realistically. But such is the cap.

If we waived the players, would that relieve us of their cap burden? What happens in a situation where we aren't under the cap at the finish line?
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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:49 AM

This thread is now up to 43 pages and I'm ashamed to admit, I think I've read every one of them. I think I need to re-evaluate my life.



:lol:
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Posted 06 July 2010 - 03:04 AM

For the right price (if you can call it that) there would be buyers on Langenbrunner and Salvador I'm sure, since they're legitimate NHLers and their contracts aren't atrocious. [Rolston I'd worry about.] Of course I see what you mean, the question is, is that price affordable in terms of this franchise, realistically. But such is the cap.

If we waived the players, would that relieve us of their cap burden? What happens in a situation where we aren't under the cap at the finish line?


If a player on a 1-way contract is waived and picked up by another team, his salary comes off the books. If he clears waivers, the salary will still count against the cap during the off-season, but once the season starts, it comes off the cap.

Edited by David Puddy, 06 July 2010 - 03:05 AM.

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