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#10501 jagknife

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:21 AM

A crazy thing I just realized is that if this contract pays Kovy $5.5M total over the last 5 years of the deal, it's frontloaded to the same degree as Hossa. I feel like I understand the league's position on the cap circumvention hoohah, but man did they create this mess in the first place by registering the Hossa deal.


exactly, i think the league thought maybe they'd only have a few of those types of deals and it would not become an issue. unfortunately for them, everyone is looking for ways to keep superstars on their team without blowing the bank on it, and they decided to make an example of us to try and end the practice.

this should have been taken care of next labor negotiation, and had a clause in it that would require teams to modify/allow contracts just like they did when they implemented the cap.

of course, that would take higher level thinking skills, something which has long since eluded the brain trust of the NHL front office.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:40 AM

I still find it amazing it takes the NHL 6 hours to turn down a contract, but 5 days to approve one.
Or do they need the extra time with this one in order to find something wrong with it?
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:46 AM

exactly, i think the league thought maybe they'd only have a few of those types of deals and it would not become an issue. unfortunately for them, everyone is looking for ways to keep superstars on their team without blowing the bank on it, and they decided to make an example of us to try and end the practice.

this should have been taken care of next labor negotiation, and had a clause in it that would require teams to modify/allow contracts just like they did when they implemented the cap.

of course, that would take higher level thinking skills, something which has long since eluded the brain trust of the NHL front office.


Exactly. I have no problem with the NHL getting rid of this rule, but the way they're doing it is biased and shortsighted. This is why the league is constantly in trouble.
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#10504 Colin226

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:49 AM

I still find it amazing it takes the NHL 6 hours to turn down a contract, but 5 days to approve one.
Or do they need the extra time with this one in order to find something wrong with it?


Only thing I can say in their defense is they knew about the other contract's details before it got submitted so that probably helped.. Still sucks we have to wait so long
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:52 AM

I still find it amazing it takes the NHL 6 hours to turn down a contract, but 5 days to approve one.
Or do they need the extra time with this one in order to find something wrong with it?



if there is a single typo, the contract will be voided. they're pissed we havent given up yet, and no one else has jumped in the hunt.

that being said, i really do not think it will take 5 days for them to rule on this one. if anything it will be over first thing monday. i dont see it being done today, definitely not tomorrow.

Only thing I can say in their defense is they knew about the other contract's details before it got submitted so that probably helped.. Still sucks we have to wait so long


right, but there is no rule saying they need to wait the 5 days, thats why i said in my previous post i think we'll know monday.

adding to it, i think they're going to take longer because they do not want to have to deal with another arbitration hearing and possibly losing this one so they need to be meticulous.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:54 AM

right, but there is no rule saying they need to wait the 5 days, thats why i said in my previous post i think we'll know monday.


I agree.. I think Monday in the late afternoon we'll find out
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 09:55 AM

The deal is for 15 yrs/100 million, per TG

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:01 AM

http://www.nhlpa.com...rs/Free-Agency/


Saw this on hf... His contract just popped up on their website as having a first year salary of 6 mil.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:08 AM

that's some fine work, frost

i really don't understand why they don't want to go over that mark.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:26 AM

Ok guys, keep in mind that Duncan Keith's contract is the only one not under investigation. I'm not sure if Pronger's is or not, but it still is egregious as fvck.

Ok, here are some comparisons:

Luongo:

10
6.716
6.714
6.714
6.714
6.714
6.714
6.714
3.382
1.618
1
1
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Final 25% of contract
5.65% of contract value

Final 33% of contract
10.94% of contract value
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Hossa


7.9
7.9
7.9
7.9
7.9
7.9
7.9
4
1
1
1
1
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Final 25% of contract
4.74% of contract value

Final 33% of contract
6.32% of contract value

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Pronger


7.6
7.6
7.2
7
4
0.525
0.525
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Final 29% of contract (2 of 7 years)
3.05% of contract value
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Savard
7
7
6.5
5
1.5
0.525
0.525
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Final 29% of contract (2 of 7 years)
3.74% of contract value

Final 43% of contract (3 of 7 years)
9.09% of contract value
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For good measure, Duncan Keith

8
8
8
7.65
7.6
7.5
6
5
4.5
3.5
2.65
2.1
1.5
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Final 23% (3 of 13 years) of contract
8.68% of contract value

Final 31% (4 of 13 years) of contract
13.5% of contract value
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:41 AM

Eckford was a $984,000 cap hit last year, moving him down to $550,000 makes him more valuable and expendable at the same time. That is one reason why I think Corrente and Urbom may not make the team, their bonuses are too much. If Eckford shows promise this year I would think about moving Corrente.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:43 AM

http://www.nhlpa.com/Players/Free-Agency/


Saw this on hf... His contract just popped up on their website as having a first year salary of 6 mil.


why are the devils "NJER"
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:49 AM

I have an odd feeling that Salvador and Zubrus will be moved to make the following:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.667m) / Travis Zajac ($3.887m) / Zach Parise ($3.125m)
Patrik Elias ($6.000m) / Jason Arnott ($4.500m) / Jamie Langenbrunner ($2.800m)
Brian Rolston ($5.062m) / Jacob Josefson ($0.900m) / David Clarkson ($2.666m)
P-L Letourneau-Leblond ($0.525m) / Rod Pelley ($0.550m) / Vladimir Zharkov ($0.850m)
Patrick Davis ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Anton Volchenkov ($4.250m) / Andy Greene ($0.737m)
Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) / Tyler Eckford ($0.550m)
Colin White ($3.000m) / Mike Mottau ($1.000m)
Matthew Taormina ($0.510m)

GOALTENDERS
Martin Brodeur ($5.200m) /Johan Hedberg ($1.500m)

BUYOUTS: Jay Pandolfo ($0.833m) / Andrew Peters ($0.166m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $243,833

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:50 AM

why are the devils "NJER"


new jersey?, same reason why many other teams are like that, ex LOSA,NYIS idk y the site chose to do it like that.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:52 AM

I think I may rather Mottau in there at 1 million which could easily be afforded.
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#10516 Colin226

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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:57 AM

new jersey?, same reason why many other teams are like that, ex LOSA,NYIS idk y the site chose to do it like that.


im an idiot lol :doh1:
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:58 AM

I think I may rather Mottau in there at 1 million which could easily be afforded.


you made excellent points about corrente/urbom vs eckford. love the idea

i'd rather see tallinder with whichever rookie is coming into the top 6, he was a great mentor in Buffalo to Myers and can teach whomever he works with to play that much better.

i'd put Greene with Volchenkov as it makes a balanced pair, offense with defense

personally, however, i want nothing to do with mottau anymore. in the 3rd liner thread, you spoke of hockey sense, mottau's is pretty bleak as well. it was most obvious last year when instead of backing up an aggressive partner, in white, he'd be just as, if not more aggressive, and find himself out of position. defenders are supposed to support their partners and back them up when they make mistakes, not compound the problem by making further mistakes. mottau failed to do that most of last year and even going back into the season before. i'd rather see younger guys getting the experience and making those mistakes than a veteran who has never shown to be anything like the hobey baker winner he was
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 10:58 AM

I have an odd feeling that Salvador and Zubrus will be moved to make the following:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ilya Kovalchuk ($6.667m) / Travis Zajac ($3.887m) / Zach Parise ($3.125m)
Patrik Elias ($6.000m) / Jason Arnott ($4.500m) / Jamie Langenbrunner ($2.800m)
Brian Rolston ($5.062m) / Jacob Josefson ($0.900m) / David Clarkson ($2.666m)
P-L Letourneau-Leblond ($0.525m) / Rod Pelley ($0.550m) / Vladimir Zharkov ($0.850m)
Patrick Davis ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Anton Volchenkov ($4.250m) / Andy Greene ($0.737m)
Henrik Tallinder ($3.375m) / Tyler Eckford ($0.550m)
Colin White ($3.000m) / Mike Mottau ($1.000m)
Matthew Taormina ($0.510m)

GOALTENDERS
Martin Brodeur ($5.200m) /Johan Hedberg ($1.500m)

BUYOUTS: Jay Pandolfo ($0.833m) / Andrew Peters ($0.166m)

CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $243,833


Is Palmieri's cap hit worse than Davis'? I liked him last year.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:00 AM

macissac: and i still think re-entry waiving rolston is much better than losing zubrus. i would also like mottau back at that price, i don't want the team to only have 4 veteran defensemen.
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Posted 28 August 2010 - 11:07 AM

macissac: and i still think re-entry waiving rolston is much better than losing zubrus. i would also like mottau back at that price, i don't want the team to only have 4 veteran defensemen.

What would re-entry waiving his contract do? I haven't heard of this.
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