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#11021 Amberite

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:03 PM

Hmm.. Starting to not sound so good again. If they are intent on actually making a decision (instead of letting the time lapse), and have taken this long, I can't think of anything other than bad news.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

# TGfireandice

Also told that NHL will not let deadline pass tomorrow without communicating its decision. If it did, the contract would be deemed approved. 3 minutes ago via web


# Tom Gulitti TGfireandice

The latest is thatas of 7:30 p.m., no decision had been rendered by the NHL on Kovalchuk contract yet. Which means no news.


Not a good sign...


Edit: stupid double post

Edited by CADevilsFan, 31 August 2010 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:04 PM

# TGfireandice

Also told that NHL will not let deadline pass tomorrow without communicating its decision. If it did, the contract would be deemed approved. 3 minutes ago via web



Why not just let it expire at this point, unless they are denying it :ph34r:
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:07 PM

I usually don't harp on you SatansDevils, but man, just a few minutes of actual looking into this and I found the same crap brickwall found before I even saw his post.


... the Upper Limit shall be temporarily raised
by ten (10) percent to permit Clubs additional flexibility
with their Averaged Club Salaries during the period from
July 1 until and including the last day of Training Camp.

On the day following the last day of Training Camp, the
Upper Limit shall again be lowered to the level as
calculated in Section 50.5(b), and all Clubs must once
again be in compliance with the Upper Limit from the day
following the last day of Training Camp until and including
June 30.


Yeah, And I even looked into my 472 page copy of the CBA to be sure of what the "Definitions" covered "Training Camp" as.

"Training Camp" means the camp held by Clubs prior to the start of the Regular Season in accordance with the provisions set forth in Article 15 of this

Agreement.



and I just wanted to be sure they didn't count training camp over at the first Exhibition game



"Exhibition Game" means any game played by a Club that is not scheduled as a Regular Season Game or Playoff Game, including games played during

Training Camp.


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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:13 PM

I usually don't harp on you SatansDevils, but man, just a few minutes of actual looking into this and I found the same crap brickwall found before I even saw his post.




Yeah, And I even looked into my 472 page copy of the CBA to be sure of what the "Definitions" covered "Training Camp" as.

"Training Camp" means the camp held by Clubs prior to the start of the Regular Season in accordance with the provisions set forth in Article 15 of this

Agreement.



and I just wanted to be sure they didn't count training camp over at the first Exhibition game



"Exhibition Game" means any game played by a Club that is not scheduled as a Regular Season Game or Playoff Game, including games played during

Training Camp.




not just me Masked Fan, but 4 other writers and reporters including TG had it in his article that it was 9/17. I don't look into the CBA rules as much as I should I guess. I know 9/17 all veterans and players have to report on that date as well for camp.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:20 PM

# TGfireandice

Also told that NHL will not let deadline pass tomorrow without communicating its decision. If it did, the contract would be deemed approved. 3 minutes ago via web


# Tom Gulitti TGfireandice

The latest is thatas of 7:30 p.m., no decision had been rendered by the NHL on Kovalchuk contract yet. Which means no news.


If they reject it at 5:00 that is just cruel. There are fans to think about.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:22 PM

If they reject it at 5:00 that is just cruel. There are fans to think about.


If they reject it will be close to 5 pm, you want to announce bad news late in the day.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:44 PM

If either Kypreos or Politi are correct, having a minimum of 7-8% of this contract OVER THE FINAL 20% makes it less of a circumvention than the other investigated contracts as well.

Luongo = 4.1%
Hossa = 3.8%
Pronger = 2.1%
Savard = 2.6%
Keith = 7.2% (not under investigation)

just more food for thought
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:50 PM

If they reject it will be close to 5 pm, you want to announce bad news late in the day.


hahaha i wish they would of done that to me when i got laid off in late April... they hit me with the news right after lunch :rant:
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:50 PM

If either Kypreos or Politi are correct, having a minimum of 7-8% of this contract OVER THE FINAL 20% makes it less of a circumvention than the other investigated contracts as well.

Luongo = 4.1%
Hossa = 3.8%
Pronger = 2.1%
Savard = 2.6%
Keith = 7.2% (not under investigation)

just more food for thought


it's still probably a 10/90 disguised as a 10/66-67. the other ones don't matter. it's not ideal, but it also hasn't been rejected out of hand
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:52 PM

it's still probably a 10/90 disguised as a 10/66-67. the other ones don't matter. it's not ideal, but it also hasn't been rejected out of hand


It's just interesting that a contract (based off the little we know) that is better than at least 4 "under investigation" may not pass the NHL's new version of the CBA.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:56 PM

I love the Devils.
I love hockey.

But I'm REALLY starting to hate the NHL.


My thoughts exactly. I'm only one fan but fwiw a lot hinges on this decision. At least for me it does. Triumph is right that the league is in a tough spot. It would be pretty hard to deny that. But I really feel that this entire fan base has been jerked around endlessly during this whole process. I can respect that the NHL needs to take a stand but it should have been done a long time ago. I don't know, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that the fans take a back seat to the players and the league but we're what makes this whole damn thing go round in the first place! Without the fans there is nothing and I gotta admit, as a fan of this sport, I feel like I have gotten the sh!t end of the stick more then enough times. If this deal is rejected I just can't see myself supporting a league that will have set a clear double standard and pretty much took a giant dump over an entire fan base for two damn months.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 07:58 PM

It's just interesting that a contract (based off the little we know) that is better than at least 4 "under investigation" may not pass the NHL's new version of the CBA.


it's not relevant. I'd rather have this deal rejected than passed with some nebulous statement of "under investigation".

I don't care about the other deals because the arbitration process made them irrelevant. this contract, or the rumors of it, looks like another polished turd. the quest for $95M is now the quest for $90M. I'm not going to get $9M a year of play out of the player, I could care less
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:13 PM

it's not relevant. I'd rather have this deal rejected than passed with some nebulous statement of "under investigation".

I don't care about the other deals because the arbitration process made them irrelevant. this contract, or the rumors of it, looks like another polished turd. the quest for $95M is now the quest for $90M. I'm not going to get $9M a year of play out of the player, I could care less


under investigation means at least he can play. let the nhl deregister the deal along with hossa, savard, luongo etc.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:19 PM

The investigations are bullsh!t. The players and agent don't have to cooperate and the NHL can't force them too because there is no permanent system arbitrator (who under the CBA would be the one investigating). Plus once the players play there is no chance of the NHL deregistering the contracts. That would set off a battle with multiple teams. And I think any cap fines or draft picks deducted would bring on a battle as well.

I can live with a contract under investigation.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:22 PM

the NHL's been put in a real difficult position and you can see why they didn't reject the hossa or luongo deal. while i actually plan on joining the bettman haters if this contract is rejected, it's hard for them to act. this contract will be on the book until 2025 - this deal runs through at least 2 collective bargaining sessions, and possibly even 3. the more of these contracts the league allows, the more teams are going to fight to keep the rules the way they are, and the more inertia for the league to overcome during CBA negotiations. if the league wants to get rid of front-loaded contracts, it may have a difficult time when half the teams in the league have one by 2012. alternately, the more the league fights against them, the more the league risks losing the good will of the teams at the top of the revenues column - the teams currently funding the revenue sharing madness going on in the league right now.

my guess is that the league will never approve this contract. i also think it will never reject this contract.


Notice the passive "the NHL's been put in a real difficult position". It is more accurate to say "the NHL put itself in a real difficult position." The league's utter bad faith and inconsistency is starting to pay off in spades. Despite the limp claim of "investigations" of deals it has already approved, the inescapable fact is that they were approved. Now they're going to be shocked! shocked! that other teams are following suit.

Bettman and Daly, send in the clowns.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:23 PM

under investigation means at least he can play. let the nhl deregister the deal along with hossa, savard, luongo etc.


or they could go gung-ho and make him a $9M cap player. don't particularly want that. my fear is that the contract is so weird, that they're mindfvcked and go with that, because they can't find a ground to reject it on
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:24 PM

it's not relevant. I'd rather have this deal rejected than passed with some nebulous statement of "under investigation".

I don't care about the other deals because the arbitration process made them irrelevant. this contract, or the rumors of it, looks like another polished turd. the quest for $95M is now the quest for $90M. I'm not going to get $9M a year of play out of the player, I could care less


lou has made a ton of terrible signings since the lockout. kovalchuk would be his best one, probably, and even though it isn't good, it still beats whatever else he'll come up with in the years to come.
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:26 PM

lou has made a ton of terrible signings since the lockout. kovalchuk would be his best one, probably, and even though it isn't good, it still beats whatever else he'll come up with in the years to come.


I really don't see this as a Lou signing at all. it's just so freaking weird. so, you think they'll punt and just say "we have no freaking clue, so we're just going to put this 'under investigation'" and let it lapse into acceptance?
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Posted 31 August 2010 - 08:33 PM

I really don't see this as a Lou signing at all. it's just so freaking weird. so, you think they'll punt and just say "we have no freaking clue, so we're just going to put this 'under investigation'" and let it lapse into acceptance?


it's obviously not a lou signing. still, lou signings haven't worked out so well, have they? if they come out of this with a stanley cup in the next 5 years, whatever happens after that is a freeroll.

i'm not sure what they'll do, i really have no idea. it seems that the devils addressed everything they had to. the media saying it will be rejected are dreger and no one else i've seen. chesnokov, burnside, and kypreos all think it will be accepted. now these three aren't exactly grantland rice, but they're not horrid sources.
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