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Posted 24 January 2011 - 11:27 PM

Where do the Jets head from here?

I was talking to a delusional Jets fan today who tried telling me that the Jets would return everyone except for "2 or 3 guys"....who then tried to criticize me when I said the team was going to get a slight overhaul......not to mention there are rumors in every media outlet about LT getting cut!

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:09 AM

i was thinking the same thing. i heard on fat mike say the jets have 20 ufas including tomlinson!? if thats true itll be mission impossible forthem to resign everyone


The average amount of FA's that an NFL team has from season-to-season is usually anywhere from 13 to 17. Gang Green's got 19.. and guess what? The Giants have 19 aswell. (but you won't hear about them) :whistling:
The Jets have a bigger spotlight on themselves, mainly induced by anti-Jets propaganda. Trolls with their own agenda, who want to cast as much uncertainty as possible towards the franchise.. and the fact that you're quoting Mike Francesa proves the point.

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Misconception #1. LaDainian Tomlinson is a free agent. --This is completely and utterly false!
I spoke with 4 friends today who all said they heard the same thing. Not sure where people are hearing it from, but wherever it is.. it is 100% bogus! LT's signed for 2 years.. and the notion that the Jets are going to cut him is absurdity at it's best. Sanchez is doing things with LT, that Thomas Jones could only dream of. The guy registered nearly 1,000 yrds this season on 15 games.. and is the best receiving back we've had since Curtis Martin. Rex is head over heels for Tomlinson, and Tomlinson already said (during his postgame last night) "I'm playing out my contract with the Jets."
Greene will see the majority of the carries next season, with LT close behind.

Misconception #2. Jason Taylor is a UFA. Also false.
The Jets signed JT to a 1 year deal.. with an OPTION (key word) for a 2nd. If the Jets actually treat Jason Taylor, like a 36 year old LB should be treated (ie; NOT used on every down) I absolutely think the Jets will pick up the option for JT next season. Taylor needs to be used the same way the Pats used Seau. I understand that with key injuries to Calvin Pace, Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, and Kris Jenkins.. the Jets had no choice but to play JT as often as they did. But don't confuse how Jason felt about the Jets.. with how he now feels about the Jets. Both he and his wife love it here in New York, and the organization loves him back. He has come out publicly and said on-the-record that he would; "take a paycut to continue to play for Rex Ryan."
He'll be back in a limited role next season, as a backup LB.. and I'm fine with that.

Misconception #3. The Jets will lose both Braylon Edward & Santonio Holmes. *FALSE!
1 will stay.. 1 will go. Braylon has the tools.. the size.. and the chemistry with Sanchez from playing 2 seasons with him, so I think the Jets keep Edwards and let Santonio walk. The fact that Holmes only played 11 full games with the Jets (and they won all but 1 of those games where he didn't play) should in fact tell you something. Holmes is without question, an explosive player, and he will be missed. But it's year 3 with the Sanchez experiment, and the training wheels are coming off. He'll be asked to do more with less this season, and that's how it should be.
Yes.. Holmes & Coles will both be gone next season. But with Braylon, Cotchery, Keller, Smith, LT, Greene, and McKnight.. Sanchez is still surrounded with weapons.

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*David Harris: -Locked up long term. There's no chance in hell the Jets allow him to walk. This is Priority #1 for Mr. T, and he won't drop the ball.
*Kris Jenkins: -We went to the Final 4 without him last season. We went to the Final 4 without him this season. Retirement awaits Jenk.
*LaDainian Tomlinson: -Not a UFA. LT's signed through 2012. No chance the Jets cut him.
*Jason Taylor: -Not a real UFA. Jets will rework JT's deal, then pick up the option. (about ½ million saved)
*Braylon Edwards: -Kept. Currently making 5 million. Due for an increase.
*Santonio Holmes: -Gone. Nearly impossible to keep both. (about 5 million saved)
*Eric Smith: -Gone. Dwight Lowery's transition to safety is nearing completion. (about ½ million saved)
*Drew Coleman: -Gone. Kyle Wilson looked great towards the end of the season. He'll be asked to step up. (about 1 million saved)
*James Ihedigbo: -Kept. Currently making $390k. Due for a slight raise.
*Brodney Pool: -Gone. Should be addressed in the draft. (about 2 million saved)
*Brad Smith: -Franchise Tag.

*Shaun Ellis: -He's a lifer, been with the team for 11 years. You have a better chance seeing Elias leave the Devils. Big Katt's going nowhere.
*Trevor Pryce: -If T`Pry retires, the Jets will pick up a complementary veteran, via free agency. Possibly Richard Seymour.
*Tony Richardson: -Retiring. T'Rich will be missed, but the drop off to John Connor isn't that abundant. (about 1 million saved)
*Nick Folk
: -50\50. The pool of UFA kickers is usually decent. If not, they'll keep Folk. He's making pittens.
*Steve Weatherford: -Gone. Why else would they have signed TJ Conley?
*Laveranues Coles: -Retirement.

*Kellen Clemens -With Sanchez, O'Connell, and Brunell all signed for next season.. there's no need for a 4th QB. (about ½ million saved)
*Eric Ainge: -See above.
*Vernon Gholston: -Do NOT let the door hit you, on the way out. (about 2 million saved)
*Antonio Cromartie: -The Jets will not allow Cromartie to go anywhere, without properly supplementing. Champ Bailey & Asomugha are already being rumored.


That's 13 guys I named of the 19 FA's that may possibly be departing from the Jets. And yet somehow.. do we still look to be in good shape? It doesn't look so grim when you scratch the smoke-screened surface does it?
Meanwhile... Nnamdi Asomugha, Marcus Spears, Cullen Jenkins, Mike Vrabel, LaMarr Woodley, Ray Edwards, Mathias Kiwanuka, Haloti Ngata, Richard Seymour, Antoine Bethea, and Champ Bailey (all UFA's) have all been rumored with the Jets next season. (and that's just the defense) However, I doubt Francesa speculates on that.
..still, I'd like to see what this "slight overhaul" will look like. :giggle:

"The signed 30" (thus far)
LT, Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Darrelle Revis, Jericho Cotchery, Bryan Thomas, Dustin Keller, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Jim Leonhard, Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Joey McKnight, John Conner, Sione Pouha, Mike Devito, Damien Woody, Brandon Moore, Dwight Lowery, Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse, Marquice Cole, Wayne Hunter, Ben Hartsock, Josh Mauga, Matt Slauson, Marty Tevaseu, Jamaal Westerman, Robert Turner, and Shawn Crable.. all already signed through 2012.

..yeah, we're in terrible shape. :rolleyes:

Edited by Beezer34, 25 January 2011 - 10:57 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 07:36 AM

This is the NFL these days...everyone always has their share of UFAs to deal with, and not all of them stay.

If I'm a Jet fan, I'm not that worried...with what they've done the past two seasons, players are going to want to come play for them. It won't surprise me if some of their own UFAs and even some other teams' UFAs took a little less to sign with them.

They may look a little different, but I can't see them having some big dropoff.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 07:49 AM

Misconception #3. The Jets will lose both Braylon Edward & Santonio Holmes. *FALSE!
1 will stay.. 1 will go. Braylon has the tools.. the size.. and the chemistry with Sanchez from playing 2 seasons with him, so I think the Jets keep Edwards and let Santonio walk. The fact that Holmes only played 11 full games with the Jets (and they won all but 1 of those games where he didn't play) should in fact tell you something. Holmes is without question, an explosive player, and he will be missed. But it's year 3 with the Sanchez experiment, and the training wheels are coming off. He'll be asked to do more with less this season, and that's how it should be.
Yes.. Holmes & Coles will both be gone next season. But with Braylon, Cotchery, Keller, Smith, LT, Greene, and McKnight.. Sanchez is still surrounded with weapons.


I'd probably rather keep Santonio of the two if it comes down to it. Yeah Braylon had a better year overall but Santonio made the big plays at the end of the Denver, Houston, New England games to win them and plus can you really trust a guy like Braylon (with the issues he had in Cleveland and the DWI last year) once he gets the big contract? He didn't respond too well the last time he got big money. I know Santonio had some problems in the past too but they never affected him on the field and he didn't have one misstep this year, and he'll only be better with another year in the system like Braylon this year.

Your list is probably fairly accurate, other than your pro-Taylor stance, too much playing time or not he didn't really make much of a difference at all other than the safety in Pittsburgh during the regular season. I don't mind Tomlinson staying but he cannot - CANNOT - be the main ball carrier again like he was this year. He can be the third-down back and get spot carries but it's got to be more like a 65-35 ratio in favor of Greene at least.

But it's almost impossible to answer every question until we see how the landscape shapes up...if there's no cap then we might keep both WR's, if there is a cap which there probably will be then we'll only keep one in all likelihood. And if there is a cap we might have to decide an upper limit on what we'll spend to keep certain guys like Cromartie.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 08:06 AM

The average amount of UFA's that an NFL team has from season-to-season is usually anywhere from 13 to 17. Gang Green's got 19.. and guess what? The Giants have 19 aswell. (but you won't hear about them) :whistling:
The Jets have a bigger spotlight on themselves, mainly induced by anti-Jets propaganda. Trolls with their own agenda, who want to cast as much uncertainty as possible towards the franchise.. and the fact that you're quoting Mike Francesa proves the point.

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Misconception #1. LaDainian Tomlinson is a free agent. --This is completely and utterly false!
I spoke with 4 friends today who all said they heard the same thing. Not sure where people are hearing it from, but wherever it is.. it is 100% bogus! LT's signed for 2 years.. and the notion that the Jets are going to cut him is absurdity at it's best. Sanchez is doing things with LT, that Thomas Jones could only dream of. The guy registered nearly 1,000 yrds this season on 15 games.. and is the best receiving back we've had since Curtis Martin. Rex is head over heels for Tomlinson, and Tomlinson already said (during his postgame last night) "I'm playing out my contract with the Jets."
Greene will see the majority of the carries next season, with LT close behind.

..yeah, we're in terrible shape. :rolleyes:



I don't know who you talked to, but nobody thinks Tomlinson is a UFA. However, if you do not think the Jets are going to take a lonnngggg, hard look at evaluating him and deciding whether or not to cut him; you are just out of touch with reality. He has alotta mileage, and he wore down the second half. Most franchises in the league would cut him after this season without question, but the Jets seem to love him so maybe they will keep him around. I am still predicting they will cut him though. This is a business, and there will be many better options; and some probably for less money.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 09:03 AM

This is the NFL these days...everyone always has their share of UFAs to deal with, and not all of them stay.

If I'm a Jet fan, I'm not that worried...with what they've done the past two seasons, players are going to want to come play for them. It won't surprise me if some of their own UFAs and even some other teams' UFAs took a little less to sign with them.

They may look a little different, but I can't see them having some big dropoff.


yea. when i heard 20 ufas i thought core players. after seeing beezers list the jets arentreally in that bad of shape. who knows they may even improve. i do agree that players may take less money to play for ryan too
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:32 AM

If I'm a Jet fan, I'm not that worried...with what they've done the past two seasons, players are going to want to come play for them. It won't surprise me if some of their own UFAs and even some other teams' UFAs took a little less to sign with them.
They may look a little different, but I can't see them having some big dropoff.

yea. when i heard 20 ufas i thought core players. after seeing beezers list the jets arentreally in that bad of shape. who knows they may even improve. i do agree that players may take less money to play for ryan too

Your list is probably fairly accurate. (other than your pro-Taylor stance)
if there's no cap then we might keep both WR's, if there is a cap which there probably will be then we'll only keep one in all likelihood. And if there is a cap we might have to decide an upper limit on what we'll spend to keep certain guys like Cromartie.


Shhhhhhhh., gentlemen pipe down! Your constructive outlook(s) are interfering with the acrimonious gossip being uttered.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 10:46 AM

still though bro u gotta admit with no rfas and all ufas its not going to be an easy task. not saying youll be in bad shape but it wont be a walk in the park
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:00 AM

Shhhhhhhh., gentlemen pipe down! Your constructive outlook(s) are interfering with the acrimonious gossip being uttered.
..it's all the trolls have left to cling to damn it! Let them cohere to some sort of comfort.



I am sure you are grouping me in with the "trolls". There is nothing to "cling to". People are just stating the facts, and that is the Jets may look somewhat different next year. That is all, nobody is claiming they are sunk, etc. For people who dislike the Jets this is not comforting. The comfort was watching Big Ben on Sunday night.... :hail:

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:00 AM

still though bro u gotta admit with no rfas and all ufas its not going to be an easy task. not saying youll be in bad shape but it wont be a walk in the park


Misconception #4. The Jets have no RFA's and all UFA's. FALSE! http://nyjetscap.com/freeagents.html
Braylon Edwards.. Trevor Pryce.. Shaun Ellis.. Brodney Pool.. Tony Richardson.. Steve Weatherford.. and Laveranues Coles are the UFA's.
Santonio Holmes.. Brad Smith.. James Ihedigbo.. Drew Coleman.. Antonio Cromartie.. David Harris.. Nick Folk.. Kellen Clemens.. Robert Turner.. and Eric Smith are all RFA's!!

The Jets have the opportunity to match any\all qualifying offers on all 10 RFA's mentioned above.. and will be properly compensated (and off the hook as far as their salary) if another team signs any\all them.
..say it with me now..... Media--Induced--Propaganda.

When the rumblings of; "the Jets being in cap hell" began to surface about 3½ weeks ago, I literally laughed out loud. About half of them are RFA's and the other half UFA's. The Jets hold all the cards here, in regards to youth\core\veteran free agency.. both in house, and out house.
..as CR said.. *the Jets will be fine.

I am sure you are grouping me in with the "trolls". There is nothing to "cling to"


..you are the definition of a troll. You went into a 3 week hiding spree when the Jets were winning playoff games, and have now resurfaced from under your bridge like the clown you are. It's no wonder how piss-poor your reputation is around this forum. Either way.. you lose.
Go spew your jet-hating doom & gloom to the 5th graders on nj.com.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:21 AM

I am sure you are grouping me in with the "trolls". There is nothing to "cling to". People are just stating the facts, and that is the Jets may look somewhat different next year. That is all, nobody is claiming they are sunk, etc. For people who dislike the Jets this is not comforting. The comfort was watching Big Ben on Sunday night.... :hail:

The man is CLUTCH

Haha Big Ben was amazing on Sunday. With his 10 completions and 35.4 passer rating, Big Ben didnt do squat in the game, except for turning the ball over a few times. It was all Mendenhall
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:24 AM

Haha Big Ben was amazing on Sunday. With his 10 completions and 35.4 passer rating, Big Ben didnt do squat in the game, except for turning the ball over a few times. It was all Mendenhall



It was Mendenhall and a DETERMINED Offensive Line. Redman broke one for 15 or so yards.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 11:30 AM

Haha Big Ben was amazing on Sunday. With his 10 completions and 35.4 passer rating, Big Ben didnt do squat in the game, except for turning the ball over a few times. It was all Mendenhall


Pay no attention to the buffoon. He enjoys hating the Jets, more than rooting for his own team.

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His rambling has gone from the text I received yesterday, stating: "The Jets squad is breaking up"

--to; "Make over, with alot of question marks"

Jets are looking like they will undergo a mini makeover before next season. Lots of question marks looming.


--to; "slight overhaul"

I said the team was going to get a slight overhaul.


--and now finally; "somehwhat different"

..the Jets may look somewhat different next year.


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..keep backpedaling clown. Backpedal into ringling brothers and barnum and bailey.. and take your "3 Superbowl titles" with you. :thumbsup:

EDIT: Did you pop the champagne after the Jets game?

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:21 PM

..you are the definition of a troll. You went into a 3 week hiding spree when the Jets were winning playoff games, and have now resurfaced from under your bridge like the clown you are. It's no wonder how piss-poor your reputation is around this forum. Either way.. you lose.
Go spew your jet-hating doom & gloom to the 5th graders on nj.com.



No hiding. I gave them credit for winning the Pats game on this very forum I believe. Piss poor reputation? I doubt that. It's funny that you do not post about hockey at all on the forum, just your blind Jets and Rex love <3

Haha Big Ben was amazing on Sunday. With his 10 completions and 35.4 passer rating, Big Ben didnt do squat in the game, except for turning the ball over a few times. It was all Mendenhall


Overall I think Big Ben is overrated and has benefitted greatly over the course of his career from playing on a team with an amazing defense. With that being said, he made a few HUGE plays when the game was on the line vs the Jets. Overall he did not have a good game at all, but he got it done when it mattered....

Pay no attention to the buffoon. He enjoys hating the Jets, more than rooting for his own team.

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His rambling has gone from the text I received yesterday, stating: "The Jets squad is breaking up"

--to; "Make over, with alot of question marks"


--to; "slight overhaul"


--and now finally; "somehwhat different"


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..keep backpedaling clown. Backpedal into ringling brothers and barnum and bailey.. and take your "3 Superbowl titles" with you. :thumbsup:

EDIT: Did you pop the champagne after the Jets game?


No backpedaling. All synonyms to me. Slight overhaul/somewhat different/facelift etc is all the same thing. I never once claimed the whole team was gonna be different, but there is going to be some changes for sure. Still think only "2 or 3 players" don't come back?

EDIT: No champagne popping for me. I am not Mercury Morris. I also expected the Jets to lose the game so it was no big shocker to me. I never had a problem with the Jets until Hard Knocks this summer and all of the obnoxious Jets fans like yourself started talking incessant nonsense.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:25 PM

Also Beezer, are you sticking with your hard stance re: LT that "the notion that the Jets are going to cut him to cut him is absurdity at it's best."????
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:30 PM

..as CR said.. *the Jets will be fine.


Depends on what you mean by "fine". For the regular season, I think they'll be slightly worse or slightly better next year. Whatever defections they have to deal with will be filled by comparable personnel. The real wild card as far as I'm concerned is Sanchez...he needs to play like he did early on this season and in the playoffs. Overall his regular season was pretty good for a second-year QB, but he can't have a repeat of last season, stat-wise.

His play will go a long way toward whether or not the Jets can grab themselves a #1 or #2 seed. They need to find a way to take the AFC East from the Pats, and they need to do this in the worst way. They've done well in the playoffs considering their seedings the past two seasons, but they can't keep taking that path. It's just too difficult most of the time. It's also wasteful, because the Jets clearly have a team built to win in the playoffs (unlike the Pats, who have seen their offense get shut down effectively in three straight playoff games), and the Jets have shown they can win two playoff games twice...adding that WC round and third game to the schedule is a killer.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:51 PM

It's funny that you do not post about hockey at all on the forum, just your blind Jets and Rex love <3


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I post about the Devils more than the Jets and\or Yanks. I also fail to see what this has anything to do with? :unsure:

Still think only "2 or 3 players" don't come back?


..when I said that, I was referring to the "intrical partitions" of the team. (ie; Harris, Edwards, Cromartie) I tried putting it in laymans terms.. next time I'll draw it out.
If you want to do a jig when players like Kellen Clemens.. Robert Turner.. Eric Ainge.. Steve Weatherford.. Vernon Gholston.. etc. all walk, be my guest. But they've had about as much structure & meaning on this team.. as Olaf Kolzig had with the Maple Leafs.

Also Beezer, are you sticking with your hard stance re: LT that "the notion that the Jets are going to cut him to cut him is absurdity at it's best."????


100%. I am still extremely confident the Jets will honor his contract.
For what he produced, and the type of chemistry he has with Sanchez.. it wouldn't make any sense what-so-ever to cut him. He is making about 2 million dollars a season!! It's empty conjecture from media whores & fanboys alike. For every website\blog that ruminates on LT being cut.. I can show you 100 more ridiculous notions, of the same context.
Gary Horton has been speculating that; the Patriots are going to cut Wes Welker for the past 2 years.

It's garbage, and junk food. Don't buy into it. Just continue to muse over it with Steve. :thumbsup:

The real wild card as far as I'm concerned is Sanchez...he needs to play like he did early on this season and in the playoffs. Overall his regular season was pretty good for a second-year QB, but he can't have a repeat of last season, stat-wise.


I think Sanchez as earned league wide respect, in being considered a clutch quarterback.
In 2 short years, he has lead the Jets to 2 Championship games.. and has won a total of 20 regular season games to boot. No one in NFL history has more playoff road wins than Sanchez, and despite not winning a Superbowl.. I think that should go a long way in how he's viewed.

If a guy like Matt Ryan is called "Matty Ice".. Sanchez should be considered; Sanch-arctica!

Edited by Beezer34, 25 January 2011 - 01:20 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:06 PM

It's garbage, and junk food. Don't buy into it. Just continue to muse over it with Steve. :thumbsup:

lmfao. joey c ftw
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 01:41 PM

Beezer,

Here's something that is stumping me. Why do you list Laverneus as retiring? I never saw him outside that one Kard Knocks episode and he wasn't listed on any part of the roster, and he wasn't in any games.

What did I miss?
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 02:02 PM

Beezer,

Here's something that is stumping me. Why do you list Laverneus as retiring? I never saw him outside that one Kard Knocks episode and he wasn't listed on any part of the roster, and he wasn't in any games.

What did I miss?


LC was signed in the offseason.. played all through preseason.. released in September (to make room for Trevor Pryce) ..and then brought back last month, when Jim Leonhard was placed on season ending IR.
http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5885654

..he was being paid $50,000.00 on a game-to-game basis. Therefore, he was technically still on the roster as a "reserve type player", till seasons' end.

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