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[Beezer34]

im actuallystarting to think this has a shot at working. if sanchez n tebow can both check there egos at the door, the jets may be on to somethin

..you're going to have ego play a small part here, based on what Tebow\Sanchez have both accomplished early in their careers, by the age of 24. You're talking about 2 guys that have 100 TD's combined, and 40 victories. (including 5 playoff wins against Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, Rivers, & Palmer) They know what it's like to win, it's not unfamiliar territory to them. They know what it's like to be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
The two x-factor's in this are #1: Winning.. which cures everything! ..and #2: Ryan! Rex can (and will) do what Fox couldn't... stand up to the TT supporters, defiantly insist; "fvck that, I'm gonna play the best QB on the roster" ..and that's Mark Sanchez.

What Tebow will bring on the field is utter delirium to opposing defensive coordinators. I don't care what anyone says, the Jets are going to be a tough team to play next season. Tebow is a player who FINALLY gives the Jets the ability to get Greene outside, and\or whoever else they elect to throw back there. (I'm not so sure that right now Tim Tebow isn't the best RB on the roster!)
Off the field, Tebow will bring his media psychosis. However.. he'll also bring levity to that locker-room. Tebow has a unifying personality. He will help mend fences with the club.

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EDIT: As for your comment.. I'm also warming up to this move possibly being genius.

Edited by Beezer34, 02 April 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Jerrydevil]

Beezer, it's wonderful the way you spin it! We as Jets fans can only hope it goes that smoothly, but I'm afraid this is going to be MESSY. I just hope Tebow's presence can bring out the best in Sanchez.

[Beezer34]

Beezer, it's wonderful the way you spin it! We as Jets fans can only hope it goes that smoothly, but I'm afraid this is going to be MESSY. I just hope Tebow's presence can bring out the best in Sanchez.

..no spinning, I'm just trying to take a different approach then point & laugh. Why should I look at this signing and sh!t on it, without ever giving it a chance on the field? Saying that this move made no sense is the easy thing to do.. which is why everyone is doing it. I don't want to dwell on that. I want to focus on why upper management made the trade, and finding sense in that alone.
When I hear Mike Francesa say this trade was made because of $$$.. I believe him. However, I also believe Rex Ryan when he says this trade was made to make the Jets a more difficult team to plan\play defense against. I have repeatedly touched on the risk-reward aspect of this Jerry. If this doesn't work, we're looking at a 6-10 season. That being said, if it works.. I think the Jets could have an 11-5, 12-4 type year. This trade overshadows the bigger move that was made this month.. LaRon Landry. The Jets defense was ranked 5th in 2011, with absolutely NO ONE playing safety. (especially when Jimmy went down for the season) If they resign Leonhard and draft a SS or FS, in conjuction with the Landry signing AND the standard schedule for 2012.. why shouldn't I feel good about the coming season?

EDIT: Remember this Jerry.. this past season came down to 2 follies. The Cruz 99 yard TD, and the Tebow drive in Denver. Had those never happened, we win both those games. With that said, the difference between an 8-8 Jets team missing the playoffs, and a 10-6 Jets team making the playoffs is preeminent.

Edited by Beezer34, 26 March 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[Jerrydevil]

I agree with you, Beezer, about not assuming anything and giving the trade a chance. I'm skeptical but not dead-set against it. My biggest doubt is with Sanchez. Will he wilt or step up?

[NJDevs4978]

The problem is people who think Sanchez needs to man up and withstand Tebowmania are underestimating just how big Tebowmania is. No backup in the history of the NFL gets 250 credentialed reporters at their introductory press conference, hell no backup I can remember ever got a press conference.

Either the Jets are underestimating just how divisive this can be, or they don't care because they eventually want Tebow to play.

[Beezer34]

Beezer, it's wonderful the way you spin it! We as Jets fans can only hope it goes that smoothly, but I'm afraid this is going to be MESSY. I just hope Tebow's presence can bring out the best in Sanchez.

Well, so far (be it lip service or not) they're saying all the right things from their press conferences today..

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http://espn.go.com/n...ebow-taking-job
http://www.newyorkje...89-64c52f990f23

"We're excited about working together. We're adding another player, not replacing anybody. Tim's here to help us. If he can help us win, I'm on board, let's sign him up. Whether it's a draft player, a free agent or a trade, as the quarterback of this team, I'm for getting wins. That's my primary focus. Tim's a great guy and he's going to be a great teammate. He's been great to be around. He's almost one of those guys who's such a good guy, people don't want to believe it, like there's no such thing as that good of a guy, but he really is. I'm confident in my abilities, and I know the team has the same belief. I'm the same guy who helped the team win a lot of games here with a lot of good guys around me. Comebacks.. playoff wins. I'm not worried about losing my spot. Rex (Ryan) and Mike (Tannenbaum) have been absolutely clear about that. Our team goal is what's most important, and that's winning. I'm a team guy. I'll do whatever it takes to win." --Mark Sanchez.



"I'm so excited to be here. To be a Jet. Whatever my role is here, however I can expand that role, I'm going to try to do that. Every day in practice I'm going to go out there and compete to get better as a quarterback, and try to figure out any way possible to help this team any way I can. I want to be a quarterback first and foremost, that's my dream. But I've always said that I'm a football player first, and then a quarterback. However I can help a team, and make a difference, I'll be open to it and work as hard as I can. In any capacity really, it doesn't matter. Even if it's another position, I'm open to however they want to use me. I think Mark should be very secure as a football player and as a person. I don't think he's going to let outsiders affect how he goes about his preparation and how he plays. By working together we'll be able to encourage one another, and be stronger together than we would be apart. My conversations with Mark have been great.. we've been texting and talking back and forth. He is excited about working with me, and I'm excited about working with him. I think we'll have a great relationship and hopefully we'll be able to thrive together. We're going to have a lot of fun." --Tim Tebow.

http://www.reuters.c...E82P12E20120326
http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1050957

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Either the Jets are underestimating just how divisive this can be, or they don't care because they eventually want Tebow to play.

I don't even care about that. (what the end game is in all of this) My allegiance is to the quarterback that can win us a Superbowl. If the cream rises to the top, be it Tebow or Sanchez, I'm all on board. As far as I'm concerned, the Jets doubled their chances at finding a franchise quarterback.
Instead of having one 24 year old 1st rounder (with playoff experience) they have 2. I know both Tebow & Sanchez have their limitations, but at least 1 of them should develop into a polished quarterback.

I use the 2009 Philadelphia Eagles as track-record for the Jets. Donovan McNabb & Michael Vick.
..through the off-season and training camp, all you heard from the Eagles was: "Vick will be used in different packages throughout the game.. but McNabb's our starter." That Eagle team from 3 years ago finished 11-5, and landed in the playoffs. If the Jets can emulate that, then it was worth a 4th rounder.

EDIT: *Update: https://twitter.com/#!/TheJetsStream/status/184373213449564163 ----- http://www.cbssports...-the-2012-draft
Two 6th rounders, and two 7th rounders. This means that with the 6th & 7th picks we already own, we now have half-a-dozen draft picks in the 6th & 7th rounds alone. ::cough-cough:: Draft Day trading anyone? ::cough-cough::

Edited by Beezer34, 26 March 2012 - 10:44 PM.

[Jerrydevil]

The problem is people who think Sanchez needs to man up and withstand Tebowmania are underestimating just how big Tebowmania is. No backup in the history of the NFL gets 250 credentialed reporters at their introductory press conference, hell no backup I can remember ever got a press conference.

Either the Jets are underestimating just how divisive this can be, or they don't care because they eventually want Tebow to play.

That's an excellent point.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

This one's going to be beaten and debated into the ground many times over. Uberoptimists are going to hope the Jets are onto something revolutionary, and traditionalists will wonder if it can ever work. This is going to be 100000x as bad as the over-reporting and over-analysis that goes with the two-week break leading up to the Super Bowl. At least Opening Day in baseball isn't far away...that should put this on the backburner for a while.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 27 March 2012 - 12:43 PM.

[ghdi]

At least Opening Day in baseball isn't far away...that should put this on the backburner for a while.

Maybe in the backpages, but national media (ahem...ESPN) are going to beat it into the ground daily. I'm sure Peyton is loving it. I've barely heard his name mentioned since.

[Daniel]

Maybe in the backpages, but national media (ahem...ESPN) are going to beat it into the ground daily. I'm sure Peyton is loving it. I've barely heard his name mentioned since.

Nothing compared to the Brett Favre melodrama. At least with Tebow, the conversation is focusing more on whether it's good move or not. ESPN more or less had a breaking news feed every time Favre picked his nose.

I also recall being in Colorado many moons ago when the Broncos fired Dan Reeves. The local media treated it as a bigger story than 9/11.

[SS#4-Life]

EDIT: *Update: https://twitter.com/#!/TheJetsStream/status/184373213449564163 ----- http://www.cbssports...-the-2012-draft
Two 6th rounders, and two 7th rounders. This means that with the 6th & 7th picks we already own, we now have half-a-dozen draft picks in the 6th & 7th rounds alone. ::cough-cough:: Draft Day trading anyone? ::cough-cough::

so how many picks u guys have?

[Beezer34]

so how many picks u guys have?

http://blog.newyorkj...ry-draft-picks/

10 total draft picks, but we could get awarded an 11th (late 5th rounder I believe) should the Pats resign Ihedigbo.
..always nice to go into a draft with a boat-load of picks. Not that you're going to find anything of supreme value in the later rounds. But you will find defensive depth, and special team gems.

I agree with you, Beezer, about not assuming anything and giving the trade a chance. I'm skeptical but not dead-set against it.

Mind you, the Jets aren't just trying to be successful with this plan.. they're trying to revolutionize the NFL. They're coming into the season saying; "Fvck you, we're reinventing the wheel." This is why the odds are so heavily against them.. because in 100 years of American football, there's really no blueprint or basis to go off of. The closest would be college football, but even that is based around a singular offense.
If it works, you're not just looking at 1 successful season.. but several. Both men are extremely young, with many more years left on their contracts. (3 more years for Tebow, 5 more years for Sanchez) If it doesn't work, you're looking at yet another sh!t season.. and losing at least one of, if not both, Sanchez and\or Tebow.

The safe bet, obviously, is to go with the latter.. but I don't know Jerry. I just got this feeling. Any other situation, with any other coaches, on any other team.. I wouldn't give this a snowballs chance. But this situation feels different. When you look at the skill-sets and limitations of Tebow & Sanchez, they compliment eachother. Their ego\age weights in their favor. Their personalities correlate with one another. (in fact, their perfect together) The coaches, Sparano & Ryan, further balance the setting. The schedule's reasonable. The defense is perennially Top 5 every season, thereby not placing the onus entirely on the QB position.
Maybe it's just me being a homer here, but sometimes I feel there couldn't be a better fit for Tebow than Gang Green. I predict a return to 2009 & 2010 for the Jets this upcoming season. I predict a big year for this team.

Edited by Beezer34, 02 April 2012 - 11:01 AM.

[Neb00rs]

http://blogs.northje...ls_locker_room/

Quarterback Tim Tebow is the talk of the area with last week’s trade from the Denver Broncos to the Jets. Devils captain Zach Parise is among those who are not impressed, though.

“I don’t care for it,” Parise said. “Why is a backup quarterback having a press conference?”

ohhhhhhhhhhhh snap.

[Daniel]

http://blogs.northje...ls_locker_room/






ohhhhhhhhhhhh snap.

So how are we going to read these tea leaves when it comes to whether Zach will stay?

[MadDog2020]

So how are we going to read these tea leaves when it comes to whether Zach will stay?

Zach is most likely a Vikings fan, which of course means he'll sign with the Wild.

[Beezer34]

http://www.newyorkje...n-schedule.html

•Week 1: Sunday, Sept. 9th 1:00pm – vs. Bills (home)
•Week 2: Sunday, Sept. 16th 4:00pm – vs. Steelers (away)
•Week 3: Sunday, Sept. 23rd 1:00pm – vs. Dolphins (away)
•Week 4: Sunday, Sept. 30th 1:00pm – vs. 49ers (home)
•Week 5: Monday, Oct. 8th 8:30pm – vs. Texans (home)
•Week 6: Sunday, Oct. 14th 1:00pm – vs. Colts (home)
•Week 7: Sunday, Oct. 21st 4:00pm – vs. Patriots (away)
•Week 8: Sunday, Oct. 28th 1:00pm – vs. Dolphins (home)
•Week 9 – *Bye Week.
•Week 10: Sunday, Nov. 11th 4:00pm – vs. Seahawks (away)
•Week 11: Sunday, Nov. 18th 1:00pm – vs. Rams (away)
•Week 12: Thursday, Nov. 22nd 8:30pm – vs. Patriots (home)
•Week 13: Sunday, Dec. 2nd 1:00pm – vs. Cardinals (home)
•Week 14: Sunday, Dec. 9th 1:00pm – vs. Jaguars (away)
•Week 15: Monday, Dec. 17th 8:30pm – vs. Titans (away)
•Week 16: Sunday, Dec. 23rd 8:30pm – vs. Chargers (home)
•Week 17: Sunday, Dec. 30th 1:00pm – vs. Bills (away)

..fair hand, if you ask me.

[gata]

http://www.newyorkje...n-schedule.html

•Week 1: Sunday, Sept. 9th 1:00pm – vs. Bills (home)
•Week 2: Sunday, Sept. 16th 4:00pm – vs. Steelers (away)
•Week 3: Sunday, Sept. 23rd 1:00pm – vs. Dolphins (away)
•Week 4: Sunday, Sept. 30th 1:00pm – vs. 49ers (home)
•Week 5: Monday, Oct. 8th 8:30pm – vs. Texans (home)
•Week 6: Sunday, Oct. 14th 1:00pm – vs. Colts (home)
•Week 7: Sunday, Oct. 21st 4:00pm – vs. Patriots (away)
•Week 8: Sunday, Oct. 28th 1:00pm – vs. Dolphins (home)
•Week 9 – *Bye Week.
•Week 10: Sunday, Nov. 11th 4:00pm – vs. Seahawks (away)
•Week 11: Sunday, Nov. 18th 1:00pm – vs. Rams (away)
•Week 12: Thursday, Nov. 22nd 8:30pm – vs. Patriots (home)
•Week 13: Sunday, Dec. 2nd 1:00pm – vs. Cardinals (home)
•Week 14: Sunday, Dec. 9th 1:00pm – vs. Jaguars (away)
•Week 15: Monday, Dec. 17th 8:30pm – vs. Titans (away)
•Week 16: Sunday, Dec. 23rd 8:30pm – vs. Chargers (home)
•Week 17: Sunday, Dec. 30th 1:00pm – vs. Bills (away)

..fair hand, if you ask me.

I think this is a very decent schedule if we get our sh!t together I can see us going 11-5 maybe 12-4

[Beezer34]

I think this is a very decent schedule if we get our sh!t together I can see us going 11-5 maybe 12-4

The absolute WORST we should do this year, is 9-7. Best being 12-4.
..so if we're somewhere in the middle, it should be enough for a playoff berth.

[gata]

The absolute WORST we should do this year, is 9-7. Best being 12-4.
..so if we're somewhere in the middle, it should be enough for a playoff berth.

Pretty much agree with that too ...
Esp. now that I hear we might get Richardson as a RB, maybe we can make some changes to solidify our O-Line and it would be awesome.

[ghdi]

Grain of salt needed: Rumors that the Jets would trade Sanchez today if offered a 2nd or 3rd lol