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#1421 Beezer34

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

thats rite u guys had danny woodhead. why did u guys ever trade him?


He was cut for Joe McKnight, in another one of Mile T's "upgrades".

Faneca & Woody were All-Pro players. They were replaced with 5th & 6th rounders.
Through his 2 seasons as a Jet, LaDainian Tomlinson generated over 2,000 yrds rushing\receiving. He was Sanchez's safety blanket, like Kevin Faulk to Brady for so many years.. and upper management supplements LT's retirement with Bilal Powell?
When it comes to respect, no one had more than Jet lifer Jericho Cotchery in that lockerroom.. and yet the front office peddles J'Co out the door for Derrick Mason?
Braylon Edwards was Sanchez's favorite target for 2 straight years.. and Mike T decides to replace him with Plaxico Burress.
How about Tony Richardson for John Connor? Or Kerley for Brad Smith?
Now Santonio Holmes is hurt and out for the year.. and we bring in Jason Hill.

Sanchez is damaged goods right now. He is probably over analyzing his every play and that second of doubt makes him more vulnerable. Compound the fact that he has no protection, no running game, no coherent playcalling or strategy, no qualtiy WR's and a backup QB on the bench who seems to draw attention magnifies his struggle.


I think the whole Tebow thing would've worked if they had a clear plan for him from the start. I was and still am, all for the Wildcat.. provided it's run correctly. That's not what's going on here though. They have him in spots that make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Tebow as a WR is stupid! Tebow as a punt-protector is stupid! THAT's what's got people going crazy. Not when they're using Tebow.. but how they're using Tebow.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

I think the whole Tebow thing would've worked if they had a clear plan for him from the start. I was and still am, all for the Wildcat.. provided it's run correctly. That's not what's going on here though. They have him in spots that make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Tebow as a WR is stupid! Tebow as a punt-protector is stupid! THAT's what's got people going crazy. Not when they're using Tebow.. but how they're using Tebow.


Tebow was not a football decision. It was the Jets trying to get attention in light of the Giants Superbowl win. Its becoming a tradition.

The Wildcat is not a football strategy. It is one trick, gimmick play. Something that bad teams employ to give the impression that there is some sort of offensive threat. Good teams don't need this.

Fire Tannenbum, let Tebow "Play" consequently get the first overall pick in the draft and rebuild. The promo's for 2013 season tickets will start in November this year
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:58 PM

Jets have signed WR Jason Hill...25 catches for 367 yards last year in 10 games

He's fast, good YAC guy. But a borderline 3/4 receiver

Darrell Revis still has no idea who that is. :lol:

I wonder if he still thinks the Jets are overhyped...
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:43 PM

Two people who "know how (Jets owner Woody Johnson) runs his football operation" told ESPN New York that Johnson will "push his football people to start (Tim) Tebow."

And the dismantling of the JETS begins. Thanks Woody!!!!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:10 AM

Fire Tannenbum, let Tebow "Play" consequently get the first overall pick in the draft and rebuild. The promo's for 2013 season tickets will start in November this year


I'm of 2 minds thus-far with the Jets. Obviously apart of me wishes we were 3-1, because the 49ers did everything in their power to hand us the game. Yet another part of me says: hey.. when I looked at the schedule in July, I had us @ 3-3 after 6 games.
Ryan at this point should be real with his team, and tell them to just take care of the teams they need to take care of.. and hopefully at least 2 upsets. If the Jets beat the Bills, Rams, Colts, Miami, Jacksonville, & Tennessee.. then all they would need to do is steal 2 games.. because 10-6 will get them in. Sh!t, they may only need to steal 1 game, because the way the AFC looks, 9-7 could get them a wildcard.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

I'm of 2 minds thus-far with the Jets. Obviously apart of me wishes we were 3-1, because the 49ers did everything in their power to hand us the game. Yet another part of me says: hey.. when I looked at the schedule in July, I had us @ 3-3 after 6 games.
Ryan at this point should be real with his team, and tell them to just take care of the teams they need to take care of.. and hopefully at least 2 upsets. If the Jets beat the Bills, Rams, Colts, Miami, Jacksonville, & Tennessee.. then all they would need to do is steal 2 games.. because 10-6 will get them in. Sh!t, they may only need to steal 1 game, because the way the AFC looks, 9-7 could get them a wildcard.


Admittedly, I think it's hard to see the Jets winning 10 games...but then I look at their schedule, which really isn't that bad after Houston (the only game on the sched that I say with 100% certainty "No way the Jets win that one!"). I don't think they'll beat the Pats this year, mostly because they simply don't have the personnel to take advantage of the Patriots' weaknesses...had the Jets still had Revis in the fold, I would've given them a shot to split with the Pats...but I can't entirely rule out the Patriots losing one of those. The other 9 games on the schedule, minus the two Patriot games and the Houston game, really aren't too bad...the Jets gets Arizona in their building, and in December, which could equalize the footing in that one.

The funny thing is, whether it's with Tebow or Sanchez, the Jets need to steal a page from the Broncos' playbook last season...find a way to win these games, no matter how fugly it gets...do what Denver's D did last season, and step it up over a six week period or so, where the offense only has to put around 20 points or so on the board to win...Denver's D helped Tebow out by scoring some points themselves, creating turnovers, etc. If the Jets can't beat the Pats, they can probably forget about winning the division, but if they can fugly their way to 8 or 9 wins, yeah, a wild card berth could happen. But I think it's on the D at this point...I don't think the Jet offense will be the ones to step up.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:05 PM

Yeah, the Jets won't be favored in half their remaining games, but there's still a lot of win-ugly potential. They'll be facing the (current ranks) 29th, 27th, 31st, and 32nd ranked offenses (Jets are 28th). They'll struggle against teams with capable offenses (Houston, New England, and yes, even the Bills and Dolphins, whose offenses are 11th and 9th in the NFL, respectively), but the Jets under Rex have traditionally been an underdog-type driven team. If they can muster something to stop the run and generate a pass rush from their front line, then they'll have a fighting chance.

I guess the important question is whether a 9-7 playoff season is worth it considering that puts you in the middle of the pack draft wise. I mean you're not going after Matt Barkley or QB du jour most likely, but the Jets could benefit from trading down and stockpiling picks to build up the depth.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:35 PM

Yeah, the Jets won't be favored in half their remaining games, but there's still a lot of win-ugly potential. They'll be facing the (current ranks) 29th, 27th, 31st, and 32nd ranked offenses (Jets are 28th). They'll struggle against teams with capable offenses (Houston, New England, and yes, even the Bills and Dolphins, whose offenses are 11th and 9th in the NFL, respectively), but the Jets under Rex have traditionally been an underdog-type driven team. If they can muster something to stop the run and generate a pass rush from their front line, then they'll have a fighting chance.

I guess the important question is whether a 9-7 playoff season is worth it considering that puts you in the middle of the pack draft wise. I mean you're not going after Matt Barkley or QB du jour most likely, but the Jets could benefit from trading down and stockpiling picks to build up the depth.


Sometimes, when you start racking up the fugly wins, confidence can go up, then the wins starts getting prettier.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:21 PM

They'll be facing the (current ranks) 29th, 27th, 31st, and 32nd ranked offenses (Jets are 28th). They'll struggle against teams with capable offenses (Houston, New England, and yes, even the Bills and Dolphins, whose offenses are 11th and 9th in the NFL, respectively), but the Jets under Rex have traditionally been an underdog-type driven team.


..that's the 2 things that people need to understand, the rankings of the teams we're facing.. and have already faced, and when we face these teams. *Example: Jets\Chargers Week 16. --who's to say SD won't be resting their starters for that game?
Say what you will about Miami, but they have the #1 rush-defense in the league! Their front-seven is beastly. Going into Week 5, they're holding opponents to 50 rushing yrds per game! The Steelers defense is ranked 5th in the NFL. The 49ers defense is ranked 3rd. Houston is #1. :wacko: Give me a fvckin' break here! I'm not trying to give the Jets an excuse.. but when you're facing these types of defenses every week, and are without Keller, Hill, Holmes, etc.. what do people expect?! THAT's why I'm still holding out hope here for this team\offense. Because hopefully when Hill & Keller get 100% healthy, we'll be facing Indy, (defense ranked 19th) Tennessee, (defense ranked 31st) Jacksonville, (defense ranked 26th) ..hell, with New England giving up nearly 400 yrds per game, I'd even give us a shot in a shoot-out against them! The Bills defense is ranked 27th.. we put up 50 points on them.. and we still play them again!
Should the Jets get out of these first 8 games .500 or better, they'll have a great chance at finishing 9-7 fighting for a wildcard. They'll be battle tested, and cultivate comradery with eachother.

EDIT: It's not a bad thing that our losses have come with a combined score of 61-10.. it's a good thing. Heartbreak is much harder to get over from, than burying a game so-to-speak. If we were destined to lose to San Francisco, I'm glad it was 34-0 as opposed to 34-31 in OT.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:39 PM

I can't believe we are even discussing "Jets" and "Playoffs" in the same conversation.

Beating the Pat's twice without Revis???? Not gonna happen. They are more likely to lose to the Bills, Rams, Colts, Miami, Jacksonville, & TennesseeI. The Jets were a borderline playoff team WITH Revis only because they play in a s@#$ty division.

Without Revis they could go winless the rest of the season. Good teams will now be able to play the full field and not worry too much about the pass rush now with recievers being open on that side of the field.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:39 PM

It's early in the season...we're a big reason those teams are rated so high on defense lol.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

It's early in the season...we're a big reason those teams are rated so high on defense lol.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:57 PM

I can't believe we are even discussing "Jets" and "Playoffs" in the same conversation.
Beating the Pat's twice without Revis???? Not gonna happen. They are more likely to lose to the Bills, Rams, Colts, Miami, Jacksonville, & TennesseeI. The Jets were a borderline playoff team WITH Revis only because they play in a s@#$ty division.


Yes I'm talking about the playoffs Manta.. and in this Divison, in this Conference, there's no reason why I shouldn't!
The AFC hasn't been the AFC since 2009. Last season both Cincinnati @ 9-7, and 8-8 Denver were playing in January. Furthermore, YES I'm aware we lost Revis.. but are we the only god-damn team in the league that's going to lose one of their top players due to injury?! :noclue: We've played 4 fvcking games! You're going to have alot of upstart teams crash & burn due to injury down the road. Not-to-mention the teams that look sexy now, show their true colors in a couple weeks. The Bills opened their season @ 5-1 last year, before ending @ 6-10. Do you really think Arizona (a team the Jets still play this year) who have won 3 of their games by 3 points or less, is on the same level as a 4-0 team like the Texans??

EDIT: And I never said we would beat the Pats 2x this season. But if their defense keeps lingering near 30th in the NFL, I could see us stealing a 33-28 game. Points don't get entirely scored by the offense bro. Week 1 proved that for the Jets.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:02 PM

It's early in the season...we're a big reason those teams are rated so high on defense lol.


Very true


..rest assured, Pittsburgh, Houston, and the 49ers will all be Top 5 defenses at the end of the year.. and it will have more to do with the 15 other games they played. :rolleyes:

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:38 PM

Yes I'm talking about the playoffs Manta.. and in this Divison, in this Conference, there's no reason why I shouldn't!
The AFC hasn't been the AFC since 2009. Last season both Cincinnati @ 9-7, and 8-8 Denver were playing in January. Furthermore, YES I'm aware we lost Revis.. but are we the only god-damn team in the league that's going to lose one of their top players due to injury?! :noclue: We've played 4 fvcking games! You're going to have alot of upstart teams crash & burn due to injury down the road. Not-to-mention the teams that look sexy now, show their true colors in a couple weeks. The Bills opened their season @ 5-1 last year, before ending @ 6-10. Do you really think Arizona (a team the Jets still play this year) who have won 3 of their games by 3 points or less, is on the same level as a 4-0 team like the Texans??

EDIT: And I never said we would beat the Pats 2x this season. But if their defense keeps lingering near 30th in the NFL, I could see us stealing a 33-28 game. Points don't get entirely scored by the offense bro. Week 1 proved that for the Jets.


I think you underestimate the value of Revis to your defense. Losing Revis will have a domino effect on the rest of the team.

Revis takes away half the field which opens up other players. His loss basically will negate your pass rush and pass defense. As a result the Jets will be forced into playing catch-up leaving Sanchez with an even bigger bulleye on his back.

Your delusional if you think the Jets offense will score 33 points against against anyone the rest of the year.

Granted its early (as you pointed out with Arizona), but I think the Jets were a weak team BEFORE the season started, losing Revis and now Holmes makes it impossible for the playoffs based on the low talent level and now coaching with Sparano.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:22 PM

..rest assured, Pittsburgh, Houston, and the 49ers will all be Top 5 defenses at the end of the year.. and it will have more to do with the 15 other games they played. :rolleyes:


The 49ers and Houston yes...Pittsburgh, the same Steelers that just got lit up by the RAIDERS?! And Peyton coming off a year off lit them up too.

Where is the NFL talent on this Jet offense? Is anyone that you would take the Jets' current receivers (Schilens-Hill) over any other team's top two? Even a healthy Holmes with Hill you'd be hard pressed to find a worse starting duo in the league. Is there anyone that has worse RB's (Greene/Powell) than the Jets? And at this point there aren't many QB's I'm taking Sanchez over.

If the defense was still good I could see your premise about getting ugly wins but they haven't stopped the run all season. The linebackers look slow as molasses and now the secondary took a hit. The defense wasn't even all that impressive WITH Revis this year and we don't have the pass rush to compensate for the likes of Kyle 'finger-wagging' Wilson trying to cover starting receivers. The defense has gotten older and worse every year.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

I'd be willing to bet if Dirty Sanchez struggles to score this weekend, that it will be Tebow time before the 3rd Qtr ends!
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:29 AM

The 49ers and Houston yes...Pittsburgh, the same Steelers that just got lit up by the RAIDERS?! And Peyton coming off a year off lit them up too.
The defense wasn't even all that impressive WITH Revis this year and we don't have the pass rush to compensate for the likes of Kyle 'finger-wagging' Wilson trying to cover starting receivers. The defense has gotten older and worse every year.


Even though I'm sure you'll site Pace & Scott, I don't think anyone would agree with you that we've gotten older on the front seven. (part of the problem is we're too green if anything) Over the past 2 seasons we've replaced Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, Jason Taylor, and Kris Jenkins with Aaron Maybin, Quinton Coples, Muhammad Wilkerson, Kendrick Ellis, Garrett McIntyre, DeMario Davis, Nick Bellore, etc.
And I can't say the defense has gotten worse every year with a 3rd rank -to- 5th rank drop'off. But if you'd like to split hairs, be my guest. I don't know where the defense will finish this year without Revis, but going from 1st -to- 5th in 3 years doesn't have me buying into the notion that we're getting worse every year. We've been Top 5 since 2009. Any other fanbase would be thrilled with this stat.

Pittsburgh will still have a Top 5 defense at the end of the year.. and using Manning & the Raiders to debunk them is just silly. Peyton "coming off a year" or not, is still an all world QB.. and it's irrelevant if Oakland "lit them up" for one whole game. Defensive statistics are cumulative, one game does little to change the outcome of where you're ranked at the end of the year. The 2009 Jets had 5 games where they allowed 30 points or more.. that did jack at the end to stop them from still finishing 1st overall for the season. The Steelers are about to get both Troy P & Harrison back. They'll finish Top 5 come January.

Where is the NFL talent on this Jet offense? Is anyone that you would take the Jets' current receivers (Schilens/Hill) over any other team's top two? Even a healthy Holmes with Hill you'd be hard pressed to find a worse starting duo in the league. Is there anyone that has worse RB's (Greene/Powell) than the Jets?

At this point there aren't many QB's I'm taking Sanchez over.


You stating that; "there aren't many QB's I'm taking Sanchez over" --after acknowledging that the guy's got no weapons, is the basis of contradiction. Do you think Matt Ryan playing on this team would be Matt Ryan? How about Joe Flacco for that matter? You're one of those Jet fans that likes to have it both ways, but you can't play both sides of the coin on this. On a much more talented team, the kid won 20 regular season game his first 2 years, and went to 2 Final Fours. Now the front office has been starving him, and he's stuggled over the past 2 season. Don't you think that's awfully coincidental?? :unsure:
Saying that "we have no shot against good teams this season because we have no offense" is redundant. I AGREE WITH YOU! However, that doesn't negate the 7 other games the Jets play against teams that are 9-18 combined. I never said we should beat the Texans, 49ers, Steelers, or the upper tier teams on the schedule. But even if you feel (talent wise) that this Jets team is 8-8, that should STILL be better than the Titans, Jaguars, Fish, etc.

I'd be willing to bet if Dirty Sanchez struggles to score this weekend, that it will be Tebow time before the 3rd Qtr ends!


Sanchez's last lifeline imo will be the game against Indy.
For the past 2 weeks, I've been saying that the Jets will be fine as long as they; "take care of the games they need to.. and somehow steal 2 others." The Colts are a team we need to beat.. and if we lost that game, it gets harder for Rex to buy into us being a team above .500 at the end of the year. At that point we would need to go on a run, and I could see the front office putting Tebow in to see if that Denver magic happens again.

The bitch of this is we have to deal with more chirping for a week. I fully expect us to lose on Monday.. and for people to come in here and begin to toot. Sanchez's last chance comes in 2 weeks however.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

Beez, with all due respect, you make too much of defensive rankings, and still have a way of not telling the complete story. Defensive rankings are based on yards allowed per game only. Take a look at points allowed. The Jets gave up 363 points last season, after giving up 304 the season before, and 236 the season before that. For all the heat NE took for their defense last season (because they gave up an absurd amount of yardage) they gave up 342 points...yes, they gave up embarassingly massive chunks of yards, but they found ways to minimize the damage. Now obviously, not all points are scored against defenses, but 363 is a lot to give up. And the total number of POINTS allowed is clearly headed the wrong way for the Jets...they're on pace to give up over 400 (I don't that will happen...I'd say 350 or so by season's end).

Who cares if the yards-allowed total for Jets was good for 5th overall...did the Jet D really feel at all dominant to you last season? Especially compared to the prior two seasons?

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 05 October 2012 - 01:38 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:58 PM

The Jet D also piled up numbers last year bullying guys like Josh McCown, Tyler Palko, Rex Grossman, Tebow (pre 95 yard drive), a bad Miami offense, but they had no shot against the better offenses like the Pats, Eagles, hell even the Raiders with McFadden ran all over us. To me, the Jets D was borderline great three years ago, very good-great two years ago, mediocre last year and below average this year. The points allowed total reflects that too.

As far as the QB, whatever weapons Sanchez does or does not have, is it too much to ask him not to throw INT's on screen passes or protect the ball in scoring range? You cannot excuse sub 50% passing, that's Tebow like.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 05 October 2012 - 02:05 PM.

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