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#1441 Beezer34

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:40 PM

Beez, with all due respect, you make too much of defensive rankings, and still have a way of not telling the complete story. Defensive rankings are based on yards allowed per game only. Take a look at points allowed. The Jets gave up 363 points last season, after giving up 304 the season before, and 236 the season before that. For all the heat NE took for their defense last season (because they gave up an absurd amount of yardage) they gave up 342 points...yes, they gave up embarassingly massive chunks of yards, but they found ways to minimize the damage. Now obviously, not all points are scored against defenses, but 363 is a lot to give up. And the total number of POINTS allowed is clearly headed the wrong way for the Jets...they're on pace to give up over 400 (I don't that will happen...I'd say 350 or so by season's end).
Who cares if the yards-allowed total for Jets was good for 5th overall...did the Jet D really feel at all dominant to you last season? Especially compared to the prior two seasons?


..there's not too much emphasis on YPG, there's not enough!!

The fantasy stat driven store mice harp about points.. but it's points that's the overrated statistic. NOTHING showcased this greater than the Bears\Eagles MNF game last season. Start of the 1st quarter, Vick has the ball on his own 8. Drives the entire field to Chicago's 4.. only to throw a pick. --Chicago goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it on their own 5. AGAIN drives the ball the whole fvcking way to the 10 yrd line, fumble! Chicago recovers, goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it at the 11. AGAIN drives the ball to first and goal, only to go 3 and out and settle for a FG. Al Michaels at this point even says during the broadcast; "and that's why we measure defensive statistics in yards."
Think about it! A team drives nearly 300 yrds at will by only the 2nd quarter, yet only has 3 points to show for it. And I'm supposed to be going ga-ga about my teams defense if I'm a Bears fan? :blush:

How about Week 1 for the Jets this year? How many actually points came from the Jets offense? 1 TD was a pick 6.. (7 points) 1 TD was a punt returned.. (14 points) and 3 FG's from Folk. (23 points) That's over 3 TD's worth of points that came against the Bills team, either without their defense allowing a touchdown.. or even on the field!!
What about Sanchez throwing 2 beachball interceptions to the Eagles last season on the 6 yrd line, and the 3 yrd line? That defense surrenders only 9 yrds, yet allows 14 points on 2 TD's.. is that fair? :noclue: My point is, in a sport where you can score points without the defense ever even being on the field (safety, punt block, fumble, pick6, return, FG's, etc.) yards allowed is the only fair way to determine a teams defense without several other variables getting in the way.

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EDIT: And no, the Jets defense didn't feel dominate last season. But no one's did for that matter. It was difficult to accurately gauge any teams defense including the Jets, because of the level of drop-off. Whether it was due to the lockout or not, most fans will tell you that the majority of teams 'D fell to mediocrity last season.

Edited by Beezer34, 05 October 2012 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 02:59 PM

..there's not too much emphasis on YPG, there's not enough!!

The fantasy stat driven store mice harp about points.. but it's points that's the overrated statistic. NOTHING showcased this greater than the Bears\Eagles MNF game last season. Start of the 1st quarter, Vick has the ball on his own 8. Drives the entire field to Chicago's 4.. only to throw a pick. --Chicago goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it on their own 5. AGAIN drives the ball the whole fvcking way to the 10 yrd line, fumble! Chicago recovers, goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it at the 11. AGAIN drives the ball to first and goal, only to go 3 and out and settle for a FG. Al Michaels at this point even says during the broadcast; "and that's why we measure defensive statistics in yards."
Think about it! A team drives nearly 300 yrds at will by only the 2nd quarter, yet only has 3 points to show for it. And I'm supposed to be going ga-ga about my teams defense if I'm a Bears fan? :blush:

How about Week 1 for the Jets this year? How many actually points came from the Jets offense? 1 TD was a pick 6.. (7 points) 1 TD was a punt returned.. (14 points) and 3 FG's from Folk. (23 points) That's over 3 TD's worth of points that came against the Bills team, either without their defense allowing a touchdown.. or even on the field!!
What about Sanchez throwing 2 beachball interceptions to the Eagles last season on the 6 yrd line, and the 3 yrd line? That defense surrenders only 9 yrds, yet allows 14 points on 2 TD's.. is that fair? :noclue: My point is, in a sport where you can score points without the defense ever being on the field (punt block, fumble, pick6, return, FG's, etc.) yards allowed is the only fair way to determine a teams defense without several other variables getting in the way.

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EDIT: And no, the Jets defense didn't feel dominate last season. but no one's did for that matter. It was difficult to accurately gauge any teams defense including the Jets, because of the level of drop-off. Whether it was due to the lockout or not, most fans will tell you that the majority of teams 'D fell to mediocrity last season.


Definitely not gaga if you're a Bears fan watching that game, but everyone's familiar with the "bend but don't break"-type defenses, the types that give up yards between the 20s, then find ways to minimize the damage, via allowing just a field goal, creating a turnover, stopping a team deep in their territory on 4th-and-1. Look, I'll always take the D that gets off the field as opposed to the one that finds a way to give up less points than they should. The Pats' have been doing the bend but don't break thing for years now, and the problem with Ds like that is that they eventually DO break, usually at the worst times, as I've been witness to.

Do points allowed tell the whole story...no, and I alluded to that...like I said, points are not just scored against the defense...and even the ones that are aren't all equal. If an offense fumbles the ball on its own five-yard-line, and the other team recovers, that team has five yards to drive for a TD. Is it really fair to blame a TD like that on the defense, even if they give one up? But yards allowed alone don't tell the whole story either. Together they help to give you a better picture of where a team and its defense are.

Go by what your eyes tell you...you watch every Jets game. Don't you think NJ4978's assessment of how they Jets' defensive play was the last three seasons was pretty accurate? Dominating three years ago. Good two years ago. Not so good last season, 5th-ranked in yards allowed be damned.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:05 PM

You cannot excuse sub 50% passing, that's Tebow like.


Especially these days. 60% is what 50% used to be in the 80s. QB numbers are all bloated now...Brady has a 160-to-38 TD-to-INT ratio since 2007. If you were 2-to-1 in the 80s, that was pretty damned impressive...3-to-1 for one season was practically off-the-charts even in the 90s...hell, even in the early 2000s. The numbers have gotten silly.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:21 PM

..there's not too much emphasis on YPG, there's not enough!!

The fantasy stat driven store mice harp about points.. but it's points that's the overrated statistic. NOTHING showcased this greater than the Bears\Eagles MNF game last season. Start of the 1st quarter, Vick has the ball on his own 8. Drives the entire field to Chicago's 4.. only to throw a pick. --Chicago goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it on their own 5. AGAIN drives the ball the whole fvcking way to the 10 yrd line, fumble! Chicago recovers, goes 3 and out, punts the ball, Philly gets it at the 11. AGAIN drives the ball to first and goal, only to go 3 and out and settle for a FG. Al Michaels at this point even says during the broadcast; "and that's why we measure defensive statistics in yards."
Think about it! A team drives nearly 300 yrds at will by only the 2nd quarter, yet only has 3 points to show for it. And I'm supposed to be going ga-ga about my teams defense if I'm a Bears fan? :blush:

How about Week 1 for the Jets this year? How many actually points came from the Jets offense? 1 TD was a pick 6.. (7 points) 1 TD was a punt returned.. (14 points) and 3 FG's from Folk. (23 points) That's over 3 TD's worth of points that came against the Bills team, either without their defense allowing a touchdown.. or even on the field!!
What about Sanchez throwing 2 beachball interceptions to the Eagles last season on the 6 yrd line, and the 3 yrd line? That defense surrenders only 9 yrds, yet allows 14 points on 2 TD's.. is that fair? :noclue: My point is, in a sport where you can score points without the defense ever even being on the field (safety, punt block, fumble, pick6, return, FG's, etc.) yards allowed is the only fair way to determine a teams defense without several other variables getting in the way.

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i think ppl got on u becuase u said the jets can make the playoffs but your no talking about the tough teams. u only keep bringing up the garbage teams the jets will win. what about ne, st.l, sd, arz. u just cant ignore them w.o revis
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:31 PM

The problem with the premise of beating the bad/mediocre teams, is you pretty much have to beat ALL of them...if you're already starting with 'at least' five losses (two to NE, one Monday night). At Seattle's not an easy game for an East Coast team, whether they have a QB by then or not, they still have everything else. At Buffalo's not going to be easy near the end of the season, it certainly won't be the romp it was earlier in the year. And all those other teams see us as a winnable game too so they'll be on their game when we play them.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:39 PM

Look, I'm done sitting here defending my team against the world. My gripe came at Manta laughing at me for talking Jets\playoffs in the same sentence. I don't need people who aren't even Jets fans to sing about the state of my team minus Revis. I already know the score. I know my team. I know Revis' importance to my team. But at 2-2, my team has as good a chance at making the playoffs as 21 other teams. There's an old saying; that's why you play the games. Let's play more than a few games first before proclaiming a teams season dead. It's Week 4, and it's WAY too early to determine where anyone's team is thus-far. I think it's silly to toot your opinion at someone off the basis of assumption. We haven't even seen 30% our offense in full yet thanks to injury. We haven't even seen Berry (who was a starter in Detroit) play a single down yet. Can I at least see my team in action against a team that's not undefeated first, before determining on my own the fate of the year? That's fair to ask no?

Significant injuries happen with all teams. That's why I'm waiting to play the games first, rather than say We're doomed. Who's to say that the Bills won't look to tank their game with us for a higher draft pick? Or the Chargers won't rest staters? The Rams lost Amendola for 6-8 weeks. He's caught half of Bradfords TD's. That's huge for the Jets when we play them.
And here's a little nugget on the MIGHTY Cardinals: Kevin Kolb is 3-10 career on the road. Over his last 10 victories as a QB, 8 have come on home field. His last road win came 3 weeks ago in New England 20-18, due to Gostkowski missing a game-winning FG. Prior to that, you'd have to go back 2 years for his last victory on the road: October 10th, 2010. The Eagles beat the 49ers 27-24 due to Nedney missing a game-winning FG. Before that.. you'd have to go to 2009. Before that 2008. Get the picture? For the record, I don't hate Kolb. But everyone knows the book on him.. the guy can't win road games.
Arizona is 4-1, and in the words of Tuna.. "you are what your record says you are." -Having said that, I expect the Jets to beat the Cardinals.

My point is for every 10 things someone can say on why the Jets won't win, I can give 10 reasons on why we will. And in the end.. THAT's why you play the games.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:07 PM

we saw the jets in action against average teams. they shouldve lost 1 and gave up 30 points to the other 1. and u r delusional if u think berry will replace revis
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:51 PM

we saw the jets in action against average teams. they shouldve lost 1 and gave up 30 points to the other 1. and u r delusional if u think berry will replace revis


Both games the Jets won they deserved to win. Jets gave up the points to Buffalo in garbage time. Game was essentially over
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:06 PM

we saw the jets in action against average teams. they shouldve lost 1 and gave up 30 points to the other 1. and u r delusional if u think berry will replace revis


BERRY IS NOT COVERING #1 WR's!! HE DOESN'T HAVE TO REPLACE REVIS! Holy Sh!t.. do you fvcking people even know the sport?!? Cromartie is filling in for Revis, Berry is covering for Cromartie. That's why I keep harping on the schedule, because depending on the depth the opposing team has @ WR, Berry could do well covering a #2.
The Berry signing was grossly underrated this week. AB was released by the Lions due to off-field issues.. not ability. He was the starter in Detroit, with top grades in man-to-man coverage. Without Berry, Wilson was asked to play out of his position, with Lankster playing as the extra DB. Now Cro & Berry can go 1 & 2, with Wilson back as the nickel.

..and yes I have seen the Jets play sub .500 teams this season.. and we beat them both. Go start a Cowboys thread somewhere Mike. That might stop you from trolling around here.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:12 PM

Berry is a risk worth taking. Had no idea he started in Detroit and actually was good in 1 on 1.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:36 PM

Berry is a risk worth taking. Had no idea he started in Detroit and actually was good in 1 on 1.


I know it's not going to happen, but if we by some miracle beat Houston without Po'uha, Hill, Keller, Thomas, & Connor.. it would seriously turn everything around for the Jets.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

Going to see them Monday night. Big Giants fan but wanted to let you guys know to check stubhub, me and a bunch of my friends snatched up some tickets for $20 each and a parking pass for $20. Giants prices are unreal this year and it's a great value to see an NFL game.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

Yeah I noticed tickets were in the $20's earlier in the week (I mean it's closer to $40 after the charges but still, that's lower than their cheapest season ticket). It's half tempting, especially since worst-case the game's a blowout by halftime and I scoot out of there :P Plus I've never seen the new stadium, though I'm not really too anxious to stay there till midnight and get home 1-1:30 on a weekday.

Damn, I see what you mean about the Giants, the CHEAPEST ticket for the Redskins game in a couple weeks is $175. It's about half that for tomorrow but geez. Jet tickets are still in the $60's for other games, I guess nobody wants to go on a Monday night.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:19 PM

Damn, I see what you mean about the Giants, the CHEAPEST ticket for the Redskins game in a couple weeks is $175. It's about half that for tomorrow but geez. Jet tickets are still in the $60's for other games, I guess nobody wants to go on a Monday night.


Bandwagon fans (with money) drive me up a wall. Last year I went to the home opener (MNF) for $60. Pretty good deal. Week five against Seattle I went for $80 after a ten dollar pitch in for a parking pass with four others.

This year, it is criminal though.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:06 AM

Right now you can get a pair for $54 - AFTER fees. The Jets' cheapest season ticket was $50 per ticket lmao. It's getting to the point where if I find a cheap single tomorrow I'll go for the hell of it.

Apparently the Jets are some 12,000 short of a sellout too :o

http://www.nypost.co...rss&utm_content

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:47 PM

Right now you can get a pair for $54 - AFTER fees. The Jets' cheapest season ticket was $50 per ticket lmao. It's getting to the point where if I find a cheap single tomorrow I'll go for the hell of it.

Apparently the Jets are some 12,000 short of a sellout too :o

http://www.nypost.co...rss&utm_content

Tickets failed to go through for my friend who bought them last night. Turns out it was better. Got tickets in 317 for $19 each. Could have bought the whole row. Facevalue on the ticket was $95. Obscene value.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:37 PM

"We lose at home and we lose away, we lost last week and we'll lose today, we're the New York Jets!" I've got NO hopes for a win tomorrow and you're a fool if you do. See Mark Sanchez grow? You can't fvcking grow if you have no weapons, and the ones you have don't catch the fvcking ball. Ground and pound? More like ground and punt! Super Bowl? More like puppy bowl.

But the Jets found another way to fvck themselves and Plaxico themselves and ruin another season. Thank, Tanny.. Thanks, Woody.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

"We lose at home and we lose away, we lost last week and we'll lose today, we're the New York Jets!" I've got NO hopes for a win tomorrow and you're a fool if you do. See Mark Sanchez grow? You can't fvcking grow if you have no weapons, and the ones you have don't catch the fvcking ball. Ground and pound? More like ground and punt! Super Bowl? More like puppy bowl.

But the Jets found another way to fvck themselves and Plaxico themselves and ruin another season. Thank, Tanny.. Thanks, Woody.


I know it's easy to feel down in the dumps, especially after these games today, but take heart. It all ends for the Jets after tomorrow, and the road gets much easier.
A buddy of mine texted me something cryptic about an hour ago; "ever think the Pats & Miami did the Jets a favor today?" It's odd to say it like that, but it's something to consider. If you look at the playoff teams in the AFC, you'll see NE, SD, Baltimore, & Houston. Here's the thing though, they're all in separate divisions. I want to believe that Pittsburgh & Denver are going to take the 2 wildcards, but I just can't convince myself. The Steelers seem VERY smoke & mirror to me.. and Denver's schedule is close to impossible. With that said, broaden out the spectrum and ask yourself.. are the Bills a 10 win team? How about Miami, Oakland, KC, Jacksonville? Even as competent as Indy & Cincy are playing now.. can you see them winning 10 games? I'm telling you this now, and you can take it to the bank.. a 9-7 team will make the playoffs for this Conference this year. The AFC is as wide open as I've ever seen it.. and I wouldn't even be surprised if a team squeaked in @ 8-8.

That's what Rex needs to keep telling his team.. why not us?! Play 'till the end, and let's what happens. I'm not saying our games against Miami & Indy will be guaranteed wins, but at least we'll be healthy and have a fighting chance. I can't say we are either tomorrow.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:27 PM

If one thing's painfully obvious it's that this whole 'trying to be two offenses at once' crap JUST DOES NOT WORK! The Jets need to decide what they're going to be, a streetball option team with Tebow or a conventional offense with Sanchez. Doing both at the same time is impossible. They've shot themselves in the foot five hundred ways tonight, and in the fourth quarter with the game right there they kept switching Tebow and Sanchez out when both were doing well, then having to use all these timeouts because they don't know what the **** they're doing.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:39 PM

If one thing's painfully obvious it's that this whole 'trying to be two offenses at once' crap JUST DOES NOT WORK! The Jets need to decide what they're going to be, a streetball option team with Tebow or a conventional offense with Sanchez. Doing both at the same time is impossible. They've shot themselves in the foot five hundred ways tonight, and in the fourth quarter with the game right there they kept switching Tebow and Sanchez out when both were doing well, then having to use all these timeouts because they don't know what the **** they're doing.


Absolutely. It's pathetic and probably cost them the game being much closer than it is. For 1, they had to burn two timeouts which didn't allow them time left in the final 90 seconds. And it might have cost them points in the redzone. Give Tebow a couple of full series at the very least.

Edited by devilsrule33, 08 October 2012 - 10:41 PM.

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